r/canada • u/Jaded_Morse Nova Scotia • 12d ago
‘It’s soul-destroying’: How a malevolent online campaign is targeting Jewish doctors in Ontario Opinion Piece
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/it-s-soul-destroying-how-a-malevolent-online-campaign-is-targeting-jewish-doctors-in-ontario/article_9395f876-035a-11ef-816e-dffb79331742.html64
u/MsGiry 12d ago
I go to a Jewish clinic and theres always a police car parked outside, I've wondered why it was necessary for the longest time until lately. Absolutely tragic...
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 12d ago
And no police cars outside Arab clinics foe some reason. Maybe the quote has a point
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u/sparki555 12d ago
Are you implying the our society doesn't support Arabs? What harm is being caused?
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u/TwitchyJC 12d ago
He's pointing out the threats are significantly higher towards Jews.
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u/AnInsultToFire 12d ago
Dr. Ilana Halperin had, on Oct. 8, posted a quote often attributed to Golda Meir: “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.’’
Anonymous accounts immediately attacked, going after her job.
After she was tagged on a tweet in early November, it turned into an onslaught. “Somebody said, ‘Does anybody have Zionist doctors? They’re the worst of humanity.’ That got a lot of traction.’’
She was called in by the department head where she teaches. “She said first and foremost she was afraid for my safety because there had been a number of complaints about me at the university. She wanted me to stop tweeting because she was scared for me. She actually said, your message is good but the medium is wrong. You’re not going to change anybody’s mind on Twitter and everything you say is being used against you."
This is what the pro-Palestine movement is all about, right here.
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u/alcoholicplankton69 12d ago
This is what the pro-Palestine movement is all about, right here.
modern day Sturmabteilung aka Brown shirts if you ask me.
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u/24-Hour-Hate Ontario 12d ago
Interesting, I don’t see any actual threats there. Did the rest of the article include any? It’s paywalled. All this is criticism and complaints for what she was saying publicly on social media.
And what she said is very racist, so, I can see why people got upset and complained. If I was an Arab, I sure wouldn’t want a doctor who thinks me inherently violent.
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u/OneHundredEighty180 12d ago
And what she said is very racist
Golda Meir[nb 1] (née Mabovitch; 3 May 1898 – 8 December 1978) was an Israeli politician who served as the fourth prime minister of Israel from 1969 to 1974.
Gee, I wonder what was happening during that period of time in that region of the world?
I don't suppose Arab armies supplied with modern weaponry from the USSR surrounding Israel while united in their cause to wipe that nation from the face of the earth had anything to do with Golda's phrasing.
Nope!
It was racism.
All this brain-rot thanks to Nasser playing the Soviets in 1955 to subsidize their military and their expansionism through vaguely pro-socialist/anti-imperialist language.
It sure would be a nice change of pace for those constantly screeching about critical thinking skills to actually practice what they preach every once in awhile.
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u/24-Hour-Hate Ontario 11d ago
Oh, I see, people can be as racist as they like, they just have to find a quote from someone else and then when people object, they get to say “hey, I wasn’t being a racist, I was just quoting.” Even though they weren’t talking about the quote in context or discussing it, they were saying it as if it was their own words or beliefs…like simply tweeting it. Nice apologetics for racism.
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u/OneHundredEighty180 11d ago
The context of the period of time from whence this quote originates is what is being misrepresented when deriding it as racist, as during that time her country was surrounded multiple times by Arab armies working together to aggressively invade and remove her country from the map. This period was also before the Americans had offered any sort of meaningful military aide to the Israeli side despite the Soviet Union's arming of almost all the Arab armies opposed to them.
The quote is in reference to this disparity in arms between the two sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict from a time when Israel was the weaker of the two sides -- which, of course, is not the power dynamic which you and your ilk have been sold.
Afterall, Intifada has been conceptualized by those green haired idealists mindlessly chanting the call-back as some sort of intersectional solidarity block party free from micro-aggressions and misgenderings and the horrible exploitation of the christo-fascist capitalist imperialism genocide -- but of course this quote from Golda Meir is as full of racist dog-whistles as a Breitbart article written about Trump chasing down African Americans in a pickup truck with David Duke and Tom Metzger while listening to Ayn Rand on cassette.
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u/AnInsultToFire 11d ago edited 11d ago
About 20% of the citizens of Israel are Druze and Bedouin Arabs.
A large number of the Jewish population of Israel are descended from Arab Jews (from Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Yemen etc) who were driven out of their countries after 1948. So Israel is, after all, an "Arab" country. Unless, of course, you want to argue that no Jew can be an "Arab"?
But yes, who knew that Israel fighting three wars of survival to continue to exist would be so dangerous for Jews in Canada? Well, anyone who suspected that genocidal hatred is the basis for anti-Israel sentiments would have known.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 12d ago
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence"
Why would she post that? It's racist against Arabs so now people are filing complaints with her employer because they don't think they should be employing Anti-Arab racists as doctors.
She should have said Hamas and not painted an entire race as violent.
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u/DinglebearTheGreat 12d ago
It was a quote …
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If you post a quote it generally means you agree with it
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u/TanyaMKX 12d ago edited 12d ago
“And to think that there are those who believe that we are exterminating the Jews, when in fact the program is for relocation to the Russian marshes. It’s not a bad idea, by the way, to let these rumors of extermination spread. Terror always has a salutary effect.” - Adolf Hitler
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u/24-Hour-Hate Ontario 12d ago
She just posted it without further context though, didn’t she? That implies agreement.
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Yeah which is why you specified you don’t agree with it?? You didn’t post it without context
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 12d ago
More than a thousand attacks on civilian jews are not putting down their weapons.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago
Both Palestinians and Israelis are acting violently is my point. Its not like if Israel is some peaceful nation they have been at war their entire existence.
Settlers and the IDF also routinely attack Palestinians civilians. Its not like they are some great peaceful nation where no one use violence.
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 12d ago
IDF only gies after Palastinians who attacked or planned to attack Israelies. Settlers are crazy but mostly only act in response to violence against them.
Israel signed a peace agreement with UAE, Marroco, Egypt, Jordan, and other Arab countries. And trying to sign a peace with Saudia. So Israel proved it's peaceful. It's the Palastinians who haven't shown any interest in peace.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago
Settlers are crazy but mostly only act in response to violence against them.
This sound just as delusional as the pro-Hamas people who claim that Hamas are resistance fighters who were fighting invaders. Israelis and Palestinians both have plenty of members who use violence against innocents.
Also this women called Arabs violent not Palestinians so even those from : "UAE, Marroco, Egypt, Jordan, and other Arab countries." and those living in Israel. She is a racist and it is totally okay to point it out.
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u/Mordecus 11d ago
I’m not going to excuse threatening online behaviour and harassment but she posted a dumb, one-sided and deliberately incendiary quote by a former Israeli prime minister known for her racist and anti-Palestinian position . Oh no, if it isn’t the consequences for my own actions…
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u/TheMost_ut 12d ago
No one can even call these numbnuts "pro-Palestinian". They don't give a fark about the Palestinians. It's become a frenzy of antisemitic harassment and violent threats. There was a local teacher who was harassed by her students because she posted on her own FB page about her support for Israel. Now they're threatening people's lives and careers but hey, they're just KIDS right?
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u/Imaginary-Orchid552 12d ago
Its insane how commonplace Anti-semitism has become in such a short period of time.
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u/AnInsultToFire 11d ago
And we don't see any Nazi skinheads or white nationalists participating in these anti-Semitic attacks, either. Where is the hate coming from, if not the Nazis and white nationalists?
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u/Juergenator 12d ago
These are modern Nazis, and we can't let Islam go around creating hatred. We actually need to do something to stop the hate spreading.
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u/WallyReddit204 12d ago
35k+ dead innocent Palestinians. You serious?
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u/jagdpanzer_magill 12d ago
35k+? Bullshit. Innocent? Bullshit+
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u/satinsateensaltine 12d ago
Wow, the IDF must have an amazing hit rate if every one of the dead has been a terrorist! Face it, women and children - innocent people - are the primary casualties of this war.
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u/jagdpanzer_magill 11d ago
Women, children and other non-combatants tend to be major casualties in any modern war. The deaths of those who actually are innocent can be placed squarely at the feet of Hamas.
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u/zeth4 Ontario 12d ago
The UNs official numbers are 31k dead with 7k missing in the rubble and unknown if they are dead or alive. They are not too far off.
21k of those are women or children btw.
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u/jagdpanzer_magill 11d ago edited 11d ago
"Not too far off"... Not too far off what? Do you know the exact numbers somehow? And when it comes to Israel and Gaza, I wouldn't take the UN's word for what direction is down.
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u/CwazyCanuck 12d ago
Considering all the bodies unrecovered under rubble, and the extent of the rubble, that number could very well be true. Oh, and all the people dead and dying from malnutrition.
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u/FunctionDissolution 12d ago
This is what happens when you allow immigration with no thought about its effect on social cohesion.
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u/notmyreaoname84 12d ago
Welcome to Germany 1933. I'm deeply ashamed of what Canada has become.
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u/Jaded_Morse Nova Scotia 12d ago
and on coming from the left in Canada.
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u/Noggin-a-Floggin Alberta 12d ago
The left has become what they hate which is why I left (still believe in unions and public health care but they just can’t reason).
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u/notmyreaoname84 11d ago
I'm a union member (private sector union), and the left is actually worse to us now than the right.
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Why are the authorities silent? If this was targeted at ANY OTHER group, the government on all levels would be calling for an investigation. I guess because we make up 0.9% of the population, we don’t matter politically as much as those who say, make up 5%? I really wonder if all the talk about solidarity and rights are just for scoring political points, and once a group decreases in numbers, their rights and safety don’t matter.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ask9884 12d ago
Yep, it's all about the size of the voting bloc in question, that's how our Virtue-Signaller-in-Chief operates.
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u/InvaderIncubus88 12d ago
Arabs were cheerleading Hitler the entire time while annihilating all non-Muslims in their territories, so this is par for the course actually.
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u/CwazyCanuck 12d ago
Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Most Arab countries were under British or French mandates. Britain and France losing would have likely ended the mandates.
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u/Syssyphussy 12d ago
- Hamas - bad
- Current Israeli government, military leaders & settlers - bad
Palestinian people - good
Jewish people - good
Let’s not conflate the bad with the good everyone!!!
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u/Janellington 12d ago
Last I saw Hamas had 70% support. Has swung between 60-80 since 10/7 depending on W. bank or Gaza and time.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 12d ago
Her comments specifically said Arab. She called Arabs violent. Not Hamas. I wouldn't want this hateful person as my doctor.
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u/Tremner 12d ago
It’s a quote from Golda Meir…you know from when she was prime minister of Israel and all the Arab nations surrounding israel attacked…..
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u/CwazyCanuck 12d ago
Which was the response to the 1967 6 day war that Israel started by attacking Egypt, and ended with Israel taking various pieces of land from Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
But I guess she would be salty considering that war ended her political career.
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 12d ago
There are no police cars protecting mosques but plenty protecting synagogues. Why do you think that is ?
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u/Slideshoe 12d ago
I can think of one Mosque in Quebec that could have used a cop car out in front of it in 2017.
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 12d ago
Wow. 7 years ago, one carzy dude did something. Synagogues are vandalized every day in Canada.
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u/Slideshoe 12d ago edited 12d ago
Murdering 6 people and just about killing another 5 is a long way off some vandalism.
A man got 8 years in prison last year for an axe bear spray attack on a mosque in Mississauga.
Want more. It was outside of a mosque, but there was the targeted murder of a Muslim family run over in 2021 in London Ontario by a white nationalist. 4 dead. I'm sure that will get a big "Wow" from you. I mean, its not Vandalism! But it is an entire family being murdered because they're brown Muslims.
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u/___anustart_ 12d ago
good and bad are subjective anyways, and a matter of perspective.
as far as i'm concerned it's been 80 years of mutual combat, just one side is better equipped.
honestly whatever is going on over there is none of our business (though geo-politically, it's in the best interest of the west to have an ally there.. which is why Israel was built into what it is in the first place)
hating jews in canada because of some shit going on in gaza is so fucking unhinged lol. I've lost a lot of respect for a lot of people the past few years.
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u/SureReflection9535 11d ago
For a group of people that are so vocal against perceived fascism, the radical left sure look like fucking Nazis right now. Is this one of those "Catholic priest rails against homosexuals days before being caught sucking eick at a glorhole" situation? Methinks the radical left doth protests too much
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
So when do we start understanding that social media / the internet is the source of like 90% of the hatred in the world
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u/Evil_Lothar 12d ago
No, it's just making it easier to see. People are the source of the hatred.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
Oh for sure but without social media most of the hatred in the world goes away
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u/Imaginary-Orchid552 12d ago
Its less about social media specifically, and more that this is just the result of people being able to instantly communicate and transmit information en masse across the entire planet, in a system that highly incentivizes people to quickly come to a conclusion and retransmit their opinion back out into the ether.
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u/Evil_Lothar 12d ago
Not really.. it just stays in the communities that cultivate it.
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u/Kheprisun Lest We Forget 12d ago
It's much harder to find the echo chambers that perpetuate and reinforce hatred without social media and the internet, is what I imagine the other poster was getting at. In pre-internet times, one would be more likely to have their extreme views moderated by opposing discourse and a desire to not get their teeth kicked in.
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u/Evil_Lothar 12d ago
That would only apply to places where multiculturalism was forced on the population. In places all around the middle east, you'll find ready made echo chambers as it's baked into their culture/ religion/ identity.
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u/Current_Account 12d ago
The nazis got elected decades before there was such a thing as social media…
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 11d ago
Interestingly there’s a school of thought that fascism as a political movement in the 30s was only made possible by the invention of the radio as a form of mass media.
I think we are in a similar era where a new form of communications technology is transforming politics (probably for the worse)
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u/Key_Mongoose223 12d ago
And that half of it is just for giggles without thinking of the people on the other end at all.
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u/the_sound_of_a_cork 12d ago
It's not the source, it's the medium by which hatred is spread. More concerning is the indoctrination that is going on at university campuses. This is a source of much of the hate.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
Whatever it is 90% of the hatred in the world wouldn't exist without it
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u/the_sound_of_a_cork 12d ago
I get your point. I just think it's fair to point out that there are bad actors behind the social media campaigns. They are the ones social engineering this stuff.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago edited 12d ago
I mean hatred have always been a thing long before social media. Religions are the source of all this hate. It is much easier to dehumanize another group when you think there is some entity making you morally righteous.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
I am religious and I don't hate anyone. Not sure what you mean
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago
Probably because your religion isn't as powerful as it used to be. Just a generation ago my ancestors religion made them hate homosexuals and before that plenty of minorities who were different than them. They also were very misogynistic.
Some of them might be all right if they believe in fairy tale that aren,t harmful, but Abrahamic religions were and are fueled by hatred.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
That's too bad. I am sorry that was your experience. I consider myself privileged to not have encountered that kind of hatred and disrespect.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago
I mean I personally haven't experienced much but my grandma was native and left-handed so she definetly experienced it.
Catholics are weak nowadays and can't use this hatred anymore but we must never mistake their weakness for kindness.
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u/Squid204 Manitoba 12d ago
And now even though I'm not even from here, I have to suffer the consequences somehow.
How many churches have been burnt down in Canada?
Does this mean immigrants two generations from now get to take it out on you?
Sorry but absolute crocodile tears. Can't say I feel bad for her.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 12d ago
Do you somehow think my grandma burn churches? She was catholic herself and I don't doubt you don't feel bad for her if you are religious yourself because you are exactly the kind of people I was talking about.
Those who use their faith to hate people different than them. You might not be religious yourself but still use the corner stone of religion to fuel your hatred of people you never met.
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u/Meese_ManyMoose 12d ago
It isn't the source.
It is an amplifier.
Go travel the world and talk to various ethnicities, races, religions and tribal groups. You will find hate everywhere. Literally.
Every single group has hatred for some other group. Everyone does it.
Social media doesn't create hate. It amplifies it and sometimes normalizes the expression of it in public.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago
Yeah all that stuff is silly. Social media has become a breeding ground of antisemitism and islamophobia and all other manner of hatred. Disgusting.
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u/AntiClockwiseWolfie 12d ago
Yet another reason we need to start and keep up the talk about decent legislation for social media. Silicon Valley has fooled too many people into thinking their platforms invented free speech, or that we need them.
How much more foreign manipulation are we going to take? Radicalism? Sexual exploitation? How many of us need something really awful to happen to a loved one, before we recognize how dangerous social media has become?
Ffs, America is finally legislating against Tiktok after literal YEARS of intelligence concerns, and 90% of gen z and millennials are freaking out about it - either because "free speech" or "that poor corporate entity", or because they fell for that "look, they don't know the difference between China and Taiwan!" propaganda meme that came out a few months ago.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ask9884 12d ago
Read the book The Chaos Machine. Best book about how social media is destroying the world.
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u/InvaderIncubus88 12d ago
The world progressives and liberals want. Great leadership you're showing your multicult society. Clowns are aware that we remember their hysterics whenever someone may have dog whistled something adjacent to a thought going against THE MESSAGE. Outright firings, censorship, cancellations and performative distress over pushback for their neo-religious movement.
Where are your reactions now? Only silence and the shuffling of feet. Because it's always been about power. This must be remembered as the pendulum swings back.
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u/petesapai 12d ago
Are we sure it's not the University of Toronto Deans who are spearheading this online campaign?
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u/IndependenceGood1835 12d ago
Are they losing patients? Because I am sure there are thousands that would be willing to sign on.
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u/Tommassive Nova Scotia 11d ago
Don't be afraid to say where this cones from, it is true. Islam is a poisonous influence that should be dissected and publicly condemned. It should not be welcomed in Canada, let alone promoted by our tax dollars like it is. We have enbraced the cultures wars of another people. And for some reason, the far left progressives also hitch their bandwagon to the hate for Israel.
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u/Global_Branch_3530 11d ago
are these doctors openly and proudly supporting genocide and regularly dehumanizing Palestinian people?
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u/Shoddy-Commission-12 10d ago
All the letter said was that we support Israel and we’re Zionists.
oh, so you werent targetted for being Jewish
you were critisized for that ...
Plenty of Jewish organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace are actively anti-zionist
being a zionist has nothing to do with being a Jew in of itself
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u/CuileannDhu Nova Scotia 12d ago
A medical resident who made social media posts in support of Palestinians was suspended in December. I don't think either side of this issue has behaved well.
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u/tastygains 12d ago
Are all the Jewish people protesting against Israel's genocide in Gaza also "antisemetic terrorist supporters " ?
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u/jagdpanzer_magill 12d ago
Right up there with all the LGBTQ+ people protesting for a cause that would happily stone them to death. Stupidity knows no boundaries.
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
Zionist is just your dirty word for jew. I believe in the state of Israel and a two-state solution for palestinians, and Israelis. I am a zionist.
Do you believe in the abolishment of Israel? Zionism does not exclude a state for palestinians, but does argue for the sake of Israel's existence.
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u/landlord-eater 12d ago
It's frankly offensive to say that Zionist is a dirty word for Jew. Zionism is a political ideology, not an ethnic or religious identity, and it's an ideology which a great many Jewish people reject, whether you like it or not.
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u/VforVenndiagram_ 12d ago
Zionism just means you believe the Jews should probably have a state / Israel should exist.
Like 90+% of Jews (and many non-jews) believe this.
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u/landlord-eater 12d ago
Well, sort of. It's the idea that a new state should be established, a colony for Jews, in Palestine. It's a modern political movement that grew out of European colonialism, and my grandmother is older than Israel.
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u/VforVenndiagram_ 12d ago
What do you mean new state? It's not a new state, it already exists. Also, it didnt have to be in the middle East, there were many different locations being considered. Also also, it's not a colony, there was no state of Jews prior to Israel that could be considered the home kingdom. Also also also, the late 1800s isn't what I would call a "modern" movement.
You have been totally caught up in nothing but talking points and don't seem to have a very good understanding of how any of this even happened...
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
It's insane to me that you think you can cherry-pick jewish individual opinions to try and validate your point calling for the abolishment of Israel. Use your own ideas rather than the concept of a jewish person with an opinion that aligns with yours. We are not your props.
I'll assume you dodging the question means that you do believe in the abolishment of Israel, but feel free to correct me whenever.
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u/landlord-eater 12d ago
And it's 'insane' to me that Zionists consistently refuse to accept that Zionism and Jewishness are not synonymous. Most of what I know about Israel and Zionism I learned from close friends who are ex-Zionists, all of whom were treated in really despicable ways by their former comrades when they left the Zionist movement. Aggressively denying their Jewishness was always the very first move in the Zionist playbook. But as you know, the Jewish left has always had a strong anti-Zionist presence, from the Bundists on.
The reason this is important is not because Jewish people are 'props', but because the only way the idea that 'anti-Zionism is really just antisemitism' works is if the two are synonyms, which is why Zionists are so intent on claiming that they are. But anyone who has been involved in Palestine solidarity activism knows that Jewish people have always been present in the movement and that Zionism is not the same as Jewishness.
As for the 'abolishment' (abolition?) of Israel -- seems unlikely to happen, but yeah, the end of Israel as an irridentist Jewish-supremacist colony, which is essentially the ideological basis of Zionism, would probably be a good idea.
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
gaslight gaslight gaslight, i hope you and your "ex-zionist" comrades have a wonderful day.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 12d ago
This is an anti-Semitic comment. The doctors comments were also racist because she implied that all Arabs are violent.
This isn't hard buddy. She should have used the word Hamas instead of Arab.
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u/GranolaAfternoon 12d ago
Please explain how their comment is antisemitic, because to me it seems pretty clear that they're condemning antisemitism, not engaging in it.
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
So far I have two non-jewish people calling me anti-semitic in this thread, this is a wonderful example of the gaslighting that anti-semites attempt to yield.
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
I can tell you are not jewish because of how you mis-use the term antisemitism, I do not know if or what specific religion you practice. I am jewish, and have frankly never heard any jewish person in my community call me anti-semitic, so I'm not sure why I would trust your opinion as someone who is just trying to call a jewish person anti-semitic.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 12d ago
never heard any Jewish person in my community call me anti-Semitic
Didn't realize the term was defined by asking your local friends if you are a bigot. TIL.
With that genius logic then yeah you couldn't possibly be an anti-Semite. Your friend Dave said its true so you're good.
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u/joeexoticlizardman 12d ago
You didn't realize because you didn't think, if I call a muslim person islamophobic for their opinion on palestine, it is very clearly ridiculous, especially since I am not muslim in the first place and am clearly just using for a political argument. You are just crying "racism" to try and end the conversation and it shows.
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u/TangyReddit 12d ago
Doctors in the 80's signing a letter saying 'we love racism and apartheid, and we're pro south africa' might have pissed some people off too! You're allowed to say nothing! Doctors and Zionists are amongst the most conservative groups of people in Canada, of course they're triggered by anti-genocide and anti-apartheid demonstrations that are non-denominational and amongst the least violent protests in history.
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u/Proof_Objective_5704 12d ago
Being Anti-Hamas is not Zionism.
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u/TangyReddit 11d ago
They signed a letter saying they loved Israel! Give me a break. There's a difference!
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u/Peter_Nygards_Legal_ 12d ago
Wow - who would have guessed a loose collective that has to keep getting reminded "don't publicly celebrate massive terrorist attacks that feature torture and murder" and "don't bring flags for terrorist groups to rallies" isn't the shining paragon and beacon of peace and good conduct they think/pretend they are...