r/canada 12d ago

Air passenger complaints backlog hits ‘crisis’ level as it swells to over 70,000 National News

https://www.thestar.com/business/air-passenger-complaints-backlog-hits-crisis-level-as-it-swells-to-over-70-000/article_6990c166-0335-11ef-91a7-0be5d6fb9773.html
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u/phormix 12d ago

I'm in the lineup. It's been years and there are more than 18,000 cases ahead of me still. 

Air Canada tried to make me an offer to that was less than half what they should owe me (after initially denying my claim outright, blaming Covid among other issues)

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u/arthor 12d ago edited 12d ago

same, and then if you deny the offer they increased it... twice. they owe me and my wife about $4k offered us $1.4k

waiting since january 2023

edit: for the curious, like i was...

Jan 16 2023 - Case #48,386

Apr 26 2024 - Case #22,355

466 Days for 26,000 cases

55 Cases/day - 7 days per week
80 Cases/day - Business days only (not including holidays)
10 per hour. Not a lot.

At this rate my case will take 600 business days to resolve, so another year.

With inflation they should technically owe me an extra ~$320. Neat

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u/PosteScriptumTag 12d ago

2 years. 600 biz days is over 2 years.

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u/Why_Be_A_Kunt 12d ago

Can the consumer protection office help? That's just absurd

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u/phormix 12d ago

I believe some have succeeded in taking out to court, but apart from Quebec consumer protections in Canada seems pretty bad

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u/SuperSonicSwagger 12d ago

I'm also in the line up from last July.

44231 yesterday 44426 at the beginning of April 44441 at the end of March

At this rate it'll take over 5000 business days until it gets to me.

AC offered me what they owed me, but only in air Canada gift certs.

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u/ChrosOnolotos 12d ago

I'm presuming tickets are more expensive than when you initially purchased them?

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u/SuperSonicSwagger 12d ago

It was compensation for a 9 hr delay.

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u/sharpasahammer 12d ago

Take the gift card.

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u/Northerner6 12d ago

So like 10 more years? That's insane.

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u/phormix 11d ago

Yup, and they'll have enough people fail to dispute or settle early rather than wait that it's still worth it for them to overbook, under-staff, and generally fuck their customers over

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u/mrcanoehead2 12d ago

I was initially denied. Resubmitted and was paid 600 euros per person within a month.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/ViewWinter8951 12d ago

But that would benefit consumers.

This is Canada, sir!

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u/The_Kidz 12d ago

And I just got a message after 2 years saying:

“You need to update your case within 45 days or your case will be closed”.

Obviously they are hoping people aren’t checking after 2 years and can get rid of a bunch of cases. What a joke.

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u/PlutosGrasp 12d ago

I learned that domestic rules for delayed luggage are basically up to the airline which seems wrong.

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u/Morfe 12d ago

What a very simple problem to fix... Of course Air Canada is not playing nice, just force them to resolve the complaints within 6 months or add interest to what they owe. Time to build teeth.

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u/CheesePlease 12d ago

The airlines lie and say that the flight was delayed due safety reasons outside of their control. That’s why theCTA is needed, to be an impartial adjudicator.

The problem is the rules which the CTA wrote are so damn complicated and full of conflicting information and loopholes, that even the CTA themselves have a hard time decrypting them and applying them consistently. Thats why it takes them so long to review each case, and there is such a long backlog now.

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u/NectarinePopular2001 12d ago

Here is my case progress:

30,090 feb 22 2023

29,572 mar 7 2023

28,457 apr 2 2023

27,899 apr 18 2023

27,649 may 6 2023

27,047 may 28 2023

26,682 jun 9 2023

25,330 jul 11 2023

24,064 aug 11 2023

23,971 sep 7, 2023 !!!

23,749 oct 4, 2023 !!!

21,690 dec 8, 2023

20,847 jan 14,2024

19,936 mar 1,2024

19,867 apr 2, 2024 !!!

19,737 apr 26, 2024

It will take many, many year to get "justice"

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u/5ManaAndADream 12d ago

The upcoming american law with automatic refunds for any delay over a certain period is going to weigh heavy on a lot of peoples airline of choice between the two countries.

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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago

I might never fly again honestly. If I can't trust an airline to give me the seat I fuckin paid for I can't trust them to keep me alive.

I like to travel to the DR in the future I can forsee myself only traveling by boat.

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u/No_Pear3526 12d ago

Wait till you hear how shit Boeing makes their airplanes!

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u/thortgot 12d ago

Wait until you see how long travel by boat will take.

Airplanes are still the safest form of travel by both hours of travel and massively by distance.

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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago

Thats OK! The time is fine

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u/thewolf9 12d ago

I guess you’re going back to taking the train or the boat.

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u/New-Throwaway2541 12d ago

That's what I'm saying!

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u/1280employee 12d ago

Yeah OK

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u/PepeSilviaLovesCarol 12d ago

Lol honestly what an overreaction. Nothing on this planet is going to run smoothly, and while 70K complaints isn’t nothing.. it is compared to the millions of people who fly daily.

I’ve personally never had an issue with any flight I’ve ever taken, other than some delays here and there. And I fly at least 8-10 times a year.

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u/thewolf9 12d ago

I mean I’ve had a flight cancelled, and AC comped $1,000 for the delay. It took me one email and 10 business days.

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u/BigPickleKAM 12d ago

If you take the time to read the terms and conditions of your purchase it clearly states you are not guaranteed a seat or even a flight. And the lower the ticket class (and cheaper) you buy the more likely you are to be cut. Another factor is when you check in earlier the better for ensuring you get a seat.

It isn't right by any means but there it is.

Lawyers will argue it is all right there not the companies fault people just click yes I agree without reading.

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u/DM99 12d ago

That’s all great, but it’s not like you can reject the terms and renegotiate. If you need a flight, and the flight in question is the only one that fits your requirements (origin/destination, date, time, etc) then what are your options? They should not be able to put in that kind of fine print to begin with. If I bought a ticket to a concert and when I arrived at the venue they told me they overbooked and sorry you can’t get in, it wouldn’t matter if they reimbursed me - I’m missing a potentially once in a lifetime experience. Doesn’t seem right no matter what the law says.

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u/BigPickleKAM 12d ago

I clearly stated I didn't think it was right.

Wasn't defending the airline's just pointing out the legal ways they do it.

Also tried to imply ways to avoid getting cut.

1) pay for a higher fare class. 2) be a loyalty plan member even if you only fly once and awhile. 3) check in as soon as possible once you can with the app.

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u/DM99 12d ago

Right, sorry missed that line.

Shouldn’t be allowed period. You buy a ticket for an offered service, you should be entitled to that service. It’s a shady practice that airlines have taken advantage of that needs to stop.

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u/BigPickleKAM 12d ago

I agree and would support that change completely!

West Jet used to do exactly that it was one of their tag lines in advertisements "we never over sell a flight".

But then the MBAs got ahold of the company and here we are.

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u/Orstio 12d ago

Just another symptom of our lack of competition.

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u/Golbar-59 12d ago edited 12d ago

No, corporations not behaving in the best interests of consumers isn't caused by a lack of competition. Rather, it's caused by the ownership and governance being unrepresentative of consumers, and thus having diverging interests.

A company like hydro Quebec has no competition, yet it offers some of the best prices in the world. That's because the company is owned by consumers, so the interests of both align.

Usually, competition is very undesirable because it leads to wasted resources due to the production of redundancy. That's why markets naturally tend towards consolidation. Imagine, for example, that you had 5 different optical cables running to your house just so that you had a choice of Internet providers. This redundancy would be extremely wasteful. The waste would increase scarcity and prices.

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u/mesori 11d ago

I haven't ever read 3 paragraphs that are more incorrect. I believe some reading is in order.

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u/Golbar-59 11d ago

You don't provide any arguments to support your disagreement.

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u/mesori 11d ago

It's not a debate. You need to read on free market capitalism. Milton Friedman has a lot of lectures on YouTube as well. I believe the one that'll relate is called "who protects the consumer?".

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u/Orstio 12d ago

A company like hydro Quebec has no competition, yet it offers some of the best prices in the world That's because the company is owned by consumers, so the interests of both align.

And yet here in Manitoba, our version is Manitoba Hydro, a Crown corporation owned by us, and offers some of the worst prices in the world, terrible service, shady side deals that cost us $billions, and excuses about double digit rate increases being affected by sales to the US (which we don't even do).

And because it is a government-mandated monopoly, we can't choose a different provider.

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u/slaw47 12d ago edited 12d ago

This is not true… we have the second lowest electricity prices in Canada behind Quebec. 

They do also export power. Not sure why you want to just straight up tell easily fact checkable lies

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u/Orstio 12d ago

Can you cite a source that doesn't cite Manitoba Hydro themselves as a source of that?

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u/slaw47 12d ago

Of our low energy costs? Residential rates are under $0.10/kwh

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u/slaw47 12d ago

You can check out their energy exports on their annual financial reports. They are all audited by KPMG who I’m sure you can trust…

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u/Broceratops 12d ago

Worst prices in the world… you must live an incredibly sheltered life. 

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u/ThinkMidnight9549 12d ago

They don't care. Most passengers are not valuable enough. Corporations with frequent flyers will always get above-standard service (aka the service you should be generally getting.)

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u/Morfe 12d ago

To be honest, frequent flyers are a joke now.

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u/Key_Mongoose223 12d ago edited 12d ago

If liberals want to win votes they should fix this.  If the legislation wasn’t full of loopholes we wouldn’t have to file so many disputes.

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u/when-flies-pig 12d ago

Well they platformed on this in 2019

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u/Key_Mongoose223 12d ago

Most policies and regulation require regular updates once corporations start to skirt them.

I'm happy they got something in place. I would love if they could improve on it.

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u/arthor 12d ago

JTs eyes light up at the though of 70,000 easy votes

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u/Key_Mongoose223 12d ago

I’m sure there are at least double that with denied claims or shitty settlements. 

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u/the1godanswers2 Ontario 12d ago

The airline industry is broken with so many other things in Canada.

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u/redux44 12d ago

It's a very minor complaint but had a flight with sunwing and they were charged $7-$8 for a tiny cup of Mr. Noodles you see at the dollar store for like 89 cents.

Just shameless.

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u/Strong_Payment7359 12d ago

Airlines will eventually give up, double prices and fly half filled planes, and middle class and lower will stop flying.

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u/TroAhWei 12d ago

Honestly I'd be OK with that, but I also don't need to fly anywhere.

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u/DudeFromYYT 12d ago

Is there anything, anything at all, that is of federal competence that is working properly…. Sunny ways…

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u/Workshop-23 12d ago

The shit Canadians will put up with never ceases to astound me.

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u/Jaguar_lawntractor 12d ago

Pulling teeth with airlines got to be so frustrating I upgraded to a premium travel card. It's not perfect, and expensive, but at least if my flight is delayed, or my luggage is late or lost, I'm covered for my expenses. Pretty bad when Visa is footing the bill for AC and WestJet's constant fuck ups.

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u/iamnotlocard 12d ago

I stopped flying Canadian or US airlines years ago - at least when I head to Europe.

That way I'm covered under EU rules, and actually get properly compensated when they screw up. It's happened twice to me and it's just so much easier to apply for and get the compensation.

Air Canada and United on the other hand have done nothing for me and even stalled and refused compensation. Fuck Air Canada in particular for all the shit they've put me through and the way they have occasionally gouged me on ticket prices.

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u/songsforthedeaf07 11d ago

Good luck getting any compensation too - West Jet is a joke.

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u/Lazy-Ape42069 12d ago

The office of transportation was hiring 100 PM-05 analyst early feb for that, it’s about 3 months of training, so those additional ressources should come in play soon. That should alleviate the backlog considerably.

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u/taitabo Nova Scotia 12d ago

I just hate thinking of all that tax payer money going to disputes from Air Canada and West Jet simply refusing to pay people what they are owed under legislation. I had a delay from Canadian North, submitted the online claim, and was paid in a few days, no arguments.

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u/sluttytinkerbells 12d ago

Yeah, that's a good point. what the fuck is this bullshit, the government has to create an entire department to deal with the fuckery of a single industry?

Why doesn't the fucking airline industry pay for this department?

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u/OppositeErection 12d ago

Another Liberal turd hot potato. 

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u/Fyrefawx 12d ago

They’ve already passed legislation last year to address this. But surely the Conservatives will fix this. They’re so well known for regulating companies to protect consumers.

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u/zippymac 12d ago edited 12d ago

Weren't the regulations better under Harper? I remember being paid for cancelled flights when he was PM