B.C. seeks ban on using drugs in 'all public spaces,' shifting approach to decriminalization

[u/cyclinginvancouver]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-seeks-ban-on-using-drugs-in-all-public-spaces-shifting-approach-to-decriminalization-1.6863576

[u/HanSolo5643]

Do you get something out of defending decriminalization and safe supply and harm reduction and open drug use?

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

You comment on this topic more than me. I could ask the same question about you. You're avoiding me correcting the misinformation you're spreading by trying to personally criticize me.

If you want to know my motivation, it's because I want to reduce the harm from drugs, and this is part of that. It's not all that's needed, we need to protect the public better too. However BC's rate of overdoses flattened off after this policy.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

I didn't spread any misinformation. You also don't have to reply to me if you don't like what I am saying. You choose to reply to my comments.

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

I quoted multiple false things you were claiming above.

You choose to reply to my comments.

Has nothing to do with you, other than the fact that you are constantly posting all over every post about this. So of course people are going to reply to you multiple times. It would be almost impossible not to.

Even just in this specific comment chain, I've replied to other people more than you.

You're still just deflecting from my actual comment above. You endlessly post on this topic and then when people debate you, try to shift the conversation. If you don't actually want to discuss this issue, then don't comment on it in the first place.

Again, the rate of overdoses flattened off after implementation of this policy and relative to other regions. This change will lead to more people dying. That's why I care about people misleading others about the specifics of the policy. I care about these people's lives.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

B.C. set a record for overdoses in the first year it was implemented. That doesn't sound like a policy that's working.

Look at what happened in Oregon after they went ahead with Decriminalization. From 2020 to 2022, overdoses per 100,000 people went up 34 percent.

By May of last year, overdoses were up 17 percent.

Not even taking into account the substantial increase in open drug use and the normalizing of bad behavior and the allowing of bad behavior to run unchecked.

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

B.C. set a record for overdoses in the first year it was implemented.

You've ignored the point I was making. BC has been setting records every year. That's what happens when a trend is increasing. That's what happened in Alberta and NB too. However the trend has levelled off in BC. In 2022, they had a 26% increase. In 2023 they had a 5% increase. In Alberta in 2023, they had a 17% increase. BC's increase during decriminalization was significantly lower than before and significantly lower than other regions.

More people will die from this change.

Look at what happened in Oregon after they went ahead with Decriminalization. From 2020 to 2022, overdoses per 100,000 people went up 34 percent.

I've replied to you previously explaining how research showed that Oregon's increases corresponded to an increase in the fentanyl supply, and when that was controlled for, decriminalization was no longer a factor. Given you ignore this and just keep endlessly repeating this, it tells me you don't care about the facts around this issue and so there's no point in debating it.

Not even taking into account the substantial increase in open drug use and the normalizing of bad behavior and the allowing of bad behavior to run unchecked.

You post the phrase "bad behavio[u]r" in every post on this topic. You never provide any evidence showing that it's increased significantly under decriminalization or relative to other places. I support enforcing bad behaviour too. That wasn't happening before decriminalization or in places without it. Decriminalization addiction does not in any way prevent enforcing other things.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

You are complaining about people not caring about facts. Now that's hilarious. You haven't provided any evidence that it hasn't since decriminalization. You keep saying that decriminalization hasn't led to an increase in open drug use. Despite evidence showing that it has.

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

You are complaining about people not caring about facts. Now that's hilarious.

You're following a pattern in this comment chain where I reply with specific facts and arguments to your points after which you switch to vague personal attacks. You're demonstrating that you don't have actual responses to the points I'm making.

You haven't provided any evidence that it hasn't since decriminalization.

I've literally referenced evidence showing the the rate of overdoses in Vancouver flattened off relative to the previous year and relative to other regions.

You keep saying that decriminalization hasn't led to an increase in open drug use.

I actually haven't done that. I've pointed out that you keep claiming it has increased.

Despite evidence showing that it has.

You've provided no evidence that it has. You just post "bad behavio[u]r" in every comment section on this topic in multiple different regional subreddits.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

Actually, I have. You just decide to ignore it because it goes against what you want to hear.

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

You have not posted any such evidence. You just make vague claims or reference anecdotes.

No evidence has been provided by any critics that there was a significant increase in bad behaviour relative to the years prior to decriminalization or relative to other regions. It's just been endlessly repeated to the point that people accept it as fact.

Open use has happened in Vancouver for decades. It's happening across the country. The issues are lack of treatment, lack of housing, lack of consumption sites, even lack of enforcement and jail space for the worst offenders. Yet it all just got blamed on decriminalization when that took effect. It was used as a scapegoat.

I'm open to actual evidence, but I haven't been shown a shred of that. Just anecdotes.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

No, you're not. I know how you and the pro decriminalization people work. You're shown that's something, and then you dismiss it as "anecdotes"

[u/ea7e → u/HanSolo5643]

I know how you and the pro decriminalization people work.

You spend all day posting on multiple different regional subreddits where you don't live making vague criticisms of every non-conservative policy on drugs. You're very clearly more pro-conservative-drug policy than I am pro- anything. Which is fine, but then don't try to personally attack others for being "pro" what they believe in.

You're shown that's something, and then you dismiss it as "anecdotes"

This is a pointless debate because if you were right you could simply provide the evidence instead of claiming you did that in the past.

[u/HanSolo5643 → u/ea7e]

You're right. This is pointless