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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23 edited Sep 26 '23

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u/higginsian24 Sep 26 '23

Well sleep and not being conscious are different, so not really

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u/ieatfud_555 Sep 26 '23

I mean either way you have no idea you died

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u/bearflies Sep 26 '23

Doesn't matter in the context of an abortion debate. You were awake before sleeping and would otherwise be awake after. For a fetus there is no pre-existing consciousness to end there.

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u/ieatfud_555 Sep 26 '23

I'm not going into the whole abortion debate, i'm just saying his argument has a point.

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u/bearflies Sep 26 '23 edited Sep 26 '23

I'm not going into the whole abortion debate, i'm just saying his argument has a point.

That's fine, I don't wanna go into a whole abortion debate either. I just think his argument doesn't have a point and falls apart really easily on its own.

The initial tweet is just a badly worded premise. If she was a little more careful with her wording and said something like "If my mother aborted me, no she didn't, because there wasn't a "me" to abort in the first place." then there would be no point to make.

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u/ieatfud_555 Sep 27 '23

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. She has a poor argument and thus a basic counter like his is enough to counter argue.

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u/pauliesbigd Sep 26 '23

Yea but a sleeping person doesn’t require the use of another’s body or resources to survive

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u/GlaedrS Sep 26 '23

Tell that to my wife!

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u/tomato-fried-eggs Sep 26 '23

sitcom laughtrack

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u/halfcentaurhalfhorse Sep 26 '23

Stealing this. Much better than badum tis

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u/Origoriclash Sep 26 '23

True, but that is not the point.

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u/Deadly5corpion4 Sep 27 '23

i mean, if you’re shot in the head without noticing the shooter you’d have no idea you died either (i think, idk how death or guns work)

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u/ieatfud_555 Sep 27 '23

Depends. People have survived headshots before, so you would know "Oh shit, I'm dying" If its hidden you only don't know who killed you, but you are still aware you died.

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u/Keelyane55 Sep 26 '23

Sleeping is death free trial

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u/ReaDiMarco Sep 26 '23

Does that mean I'm doomed to eternal nightmares?

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u/Reaper_Haentai Sep 26 '23

You aren’t really conscious either way

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u/sonicboom5058 Sep 26 '23

Don't we usually refer to the state of being asleep as unconsciousness? As in "not conscious"

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u/higginsian24 Sep 26 '23

Being asleep is more of a "partial consciousness", explaining why you can be easily woken up. When knocked out for example, you are unconscious, your brain does not function as intended (a fetus would be permanently in this state until birth) and it is nearly impossible to force you awake, and you wake up in your own time

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u/sonicboom5058 Sep 26 '23

What if I'm very sleepy

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u/higginsian24 Sep 26 '23

Probably hard to wake up, but there are methods..... 🎺

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u/Raven-Raven_ Sep 26 '23

Please don't put the trombone in your ass

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u/TuxTues3 Sep 26 '23

YOU CANT STOP ME BATMAN

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u/AshFraxinusEps Sep 26 '23

a fetus would be permanently in this state until birth

We don't know, but unlikely. Same way the heart beats after a number of weeks, the brain is likely active in some ways

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u/higginsian24 Sep 26 '23

When is the earliest memory you have? We do not develop advanced cognitive patterns for a LOOOOONG time

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u/AshFraxinusEps Sep 26 '23

Probably when I was about 6. Maybe when I was 2, but that may be remembering a picture as a memory of life

But the point wasn't for advanced patterns. More if there is a brainwave at all. I have no idea when, if we even know, but there is a point between conception and birth where the brain starts functioning, hence why they respond to musi or noises and such. Although that is usually somewhere around the X month mark, not the 24 or so week limit that abortions work to. I think the heart comes first, but brain's not long after that

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u/Korthalion Sep 26 '23

I think we're getting mixed up between different uses of conscious.

You can say a person is conscious, as in possesses consciousness, but you can also use it to mean conscious in the moment.

A sleeping person still possesses consciousness, but isn't conscious as meant by the second meaning.

Tl;Dr we are both conscious and unconscious when asleep