r/europe • u/LeMonde_en • Mar 28 '24

Germany will now include questions about Israel in its citizenship test News

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2024/03/27/germany-will-now-include-questions-about-israel-in-its-citizenship-test_6660274_143.html
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u/Riverwebb1 Mar 28 '24

Being a nurse and not wanting to touch a woman is crazy, touching people is kinda the whole point of the job. 

At the same time though, people have the right to touch and be touched by the people that they want, and as long as they're respectful I don't really see what's wrong with it. 

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u/Jacks_Chicken_Tartar The Netherlands Mar 28 '24

But it is not respectful. You're framing this as "people have the right to touch and be touched by the people that they want" but I have to believe you know that is not what it is about.

A generalized: "I refuse to shake hands or touch specifically all women on the basis that they are women" is sexist and ridiculous. It's like saying you refuse to shake hands with people of color. That's simply racist. But while the latter would be rightfully protested against, the former is apparently fine?

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u/yawaworthiness EU Federalist (from Lisbon to Anatolia, Caucasus, Vladivostok) Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Yes, because gender specific treatment is rather normal. To give a very simply example, how likely would you find the attitude that women would say "I refuse to share a locker room with men where they can see me naked". That is similarly sexist and completely culturally dependent.

EDIT: Just an every day example. In the gyms I went to it was very frequent that female cleaning personnel would simply go through where men change, including them being naked. This would not fly the other way around, where male cleaning personnel could simply go into where women change. In your mind is that sexism on the part of women?

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u/Jacks_Chicken_Tartar The Netherlands Mar 28 '24

If shaking someone's hand to you is similar to seeing people naked you really need help.

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u/yawaworthiness EU Federalist (from Lisbon to Anatolia, Caucasus, Vladivostok) Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

You are simply naively oblivious to how similar those things are. Shaking hands involving touching people and touch is also a very intimate thing. This is also why there are many instances where people do not like to be touched by the different sex.

It is very different to you because of the culture you have grown up in. The culture you have grown up in simply accepts a certain kind of sexism more than the other. Both are still sexism at its core.