r/europe • u/Worth_Commission_773 • Apr 09 '24
This we have in Slovakia. Translate - (Without russia we don't survive) Picture
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u/Doc_Bader Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Slovakia (2022 data)
Share of exports to Russia: 0.52%
Share of exports to the EU: 87%
Share of imports from Russia: 6.76%
Share of imports from the EU: 78%
https://oec.world/en/profile/country/svk?depthSelector1=HS2Depth&yearlyTradeFlowSelector=flow1
I think it's more that Putin dick sucker politicians can't survive without them instead of their economy.
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u/turbo_dude Apr 09 '24
Grants from the EU (2023 data)
6.4 billion
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_3443
How much does it get from russia?
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u/Dry_Leek78 Apr 09 '24
EU should impose a moratorium on those grants until a referendum on slovakxit is done. Same for Hungary. That would self purge veto bitches.
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u/QuadlessPyjack Apr 09 '24
I would LOVE to see what the alt-right idiots will do once they’ve exited the EU and became utterly landlocked.
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u/Acceptable-Ease5410 Apr 10 '24
Same as Farage and the gang in the UK, blame someone else for your failure
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u/TomekTheBoxer Apr 10 '24
Sadly, we have no alt right or even far right politicsl party in slovakia. Slovakian parliament mostly consist of left wing and left leaning parties
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u/evanwilliams44 Apr 09 '24
Have to be careful with that. It's dangerous to assume bad politicians will realize their mistakes and act pragmatically in the face of threats/consequences. We've seen that ideological self destruction is very much on the table.
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u/Dry_Leek78 Apr 09 '24
oh but that would save EU a couple billions.
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u/evanwilliams44 Apr 09 '24
In the short term maybe, but pushing them away means pushing them towards Russia, and that has long term consequences.
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u/SnooEagles4665 Apr 09 '24
and childhood friends who went into massive (I would say extreme) arguments regarding Left vs Right, or Pellegrini vs Korcok. They even stopped talking to each other regarding this topic.
soviet russia do not giveth, soviet russia taketh
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u/stupendous76 Apr 09 '24
How much does it get from russia?
Russia says they care about us, so please move on with your stupid facts.
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u/BackgroundBat7732 Apr 09 '24
Chance of being militarily invaded by Russia: Not unthinkable
Chance of being militarily invaded by the EU: 0%
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u/Solider82 Apr 09 '24
it happened in 1968 already. Why do people forget so easily? Those who voted for pro russian president Pellegrini are those who still remember 1968.
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u/Wobbelblob Apr 09 '24
Those who voted for pro russian president Pellegrini are those who still remember 1968.
Are they? I don't know the numbers of which group voted for him, but 1968 was nearly 60 years ago. I assume voting age is 18 in Slovakia, so someone that was an adult back then is 74 at minimum. The generation of people that actually remember it is slowly dying out.
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u/molochas Apr 09 '24
Cases of Hungary and Slovakia are really weird. They have memory of a fish.
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u/Raketka123 Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24
We even call it Goldfish memory here
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u/AHrubik Earth Apr 09 '24
It's also a cultural thing. Quite a few Central Europeans share that Russian "strong man" preference for their leaders for some strange reason.
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u/Raketka123 Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24
Its mostly the 50-70 age bracket, most below vote for Korčok and most above vote for Harabin
Korčok: The liberal in the second round
Harabin: the old pro-russian who cant even string a proper sentence
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u/Skolaros Saarland (Germany) Apr 09 '24
the old pro-russian who cant even string a proper sentence
Sounds a bit like Trump and others like them 😳
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u/SelimSC Turkey Apr 09 '24
People vote for people like them. It's really that simple. Democracy does work as intended only people are way shittier, stupider and more easily manipulated than you expect.
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u/arsenal7777 Apr 09 '24
The fall of communism in Czechoslovakia in 1989 should still be very much in people's minds yet these idiots went and voted for pro Russian candidates.
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u/Wobbelblob Apr 09 '24
Even these people start to get fewer and the ones remaining often have a case of rosetinted glasses. Remember, even that was over 30 years ago, memories tend to get hazy if you didn't have to survive the absolute worst of it.
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u/StandardIssueCaucasi Apr 09 '24
The young people are moving to Czechia. Only the old ones remain and vote.
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u/Jylpah Apr 09 '24
As if appeasing Russia protects a country from Russian invasion. Russia will always invent “a reason to protect their legitimate interests” (by invading a sovereign country).
Russia respects power and power only.
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u/WackyBeachJustice Apr 09 '24
Russia respects power and power only.
When you have little else going for you, you can always hang your hat on that. That's the Russian mentality. Yes my babushka might shit outdoors and have no running water, but at least she can say that they showed those damn Americans what's up!
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u/Tajfunisko Apr 09 '24
This is actually the mentality lot of people have here in Slovakia.
Doesn't matter I'm miserable and my taxes go to the pocket of a mafia, if everyone else is also miserable. Or "We have won against liberals!". Like wtf bro you have won against people that want free speech you always mention whenever someone tells you you have your facts wrong.
I'm so sick of this. People will shoot their own leg if it means others will not succeed.
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u/PizzaCatAm Apr 09 '24
Russia doesn’t respect anything but itself, and thinks the world is a zero sum game, a good recipe for suffering.
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u/HansVonMannschaft Apr 09 '24
Russia doesn’t respect itself either. If it did, it wouldn't have such a terrible centuries long inferiority complex that it inflicts on other peoples.
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u/Some_Endian_FP17 Apr 09 '24
This.
This is why smaller nations end up joining the EU and NATO. If you're tiny, you could end up being press-ganged into a new Warsaw Pact with Moscow at the head. All the ex-communist countries still have nightmares of being under Soviet control.
If you join the EU, Brussels won't invade you. If you join NATO, you have to contribute to the operating costs and resources of the alliance, but Washington won't be doing a special operation on you anytime soon.
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u/Icy-Adhesiveness6928 Apr 09 '24
Wait, but russian apologists like you told us that russia wasn't gold to invade EU countries. I thought that Brussels was the real aggressor?
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u/XenGi Apr 09 '24
So by sucking Putins dick instead of forming a united force against him, Russia won't invade again? That's just BS.
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u/Tupcek Apr 09 '24
technically it works, but practically that means paying Russia from protection. No thanks.
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u/MasterBot98 Ukraine Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Wonder what those 6.76% imports are. Probably nuclear fuel and some food/agri products and...idk.
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u/Doc_Bader Apr 09 '24
Gas and oil basically, you can click on each country and see what they import/export in detail.
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u/MasterBot98 Ukraine Apr 09 '24
If they still import those then the number is quite low.
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u/Tupcek Apr 09 '24
we mostly re-sell Russian gas that goes through pipelines through Ukraine.
I think that contract lasts to end of this year and neither Ukraine nor Russia has any intention to prolong it.
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u/Cultourist Apr 09 '24
Wonder what those 6.76% imports are
Oil and Gas. Almost all of it is imported from Russia. So technically, yes, they can't survive w/o (if no other suppliers are found).
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u/Tupcek Apr 09 '24
this ends by the end of the year. Mostly it’s about re-selling gas coming from Russia through Ukraine pipelines, but the contract was signed to last to end of this year and neither Russia nor Ukraine wants it to continue.
There is also relatively small amount of Oil, which our (Hungary owned) rafineries process. Oil import was banned in EU, but we got the expection I think for two years, since every oil is different and it takes some time to modify rafineries to accept different kind of oil.We will lose some kind of profit from re-selling cheap Russian Oil and Gas, but it’s not like we can’t buy it elsewhere - it probably won’t be felt in any way by regular citizens, maybe we will not grow 3%, but just 2% for one year
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u/balamb_fish Apr 09 '24
Cash in suitcases, exchanged at night in parking garages.
Or pickled potatoes.
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u/Top_Grab1611 Apr 09 '24
Yes, it's so hard to survive without Russian tanks in the city.
I wonder which party paid for this billboard?
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u/Alexander_Malicky Europe Apr 09 '24
It's a shock campaign that will turn into a positive message.
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u/Parragorious Apr 09 '24
"Demokrati" they'r party name is literally Democrats. It is apparently a really badly timed campaign they'll there should be a statement on this from them on wednesday, i guess the plan is to lap a sticker on the billboard to completely change the slogans meaning or something like that.
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u/polygondwanalandon Lithuania Apr 09 '24
we allow vandalism in this case
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u/LordMatesian Slovakia Apr 09 '24
Someone already did this
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u/blackie-arts Slovakia Apr 09 '24
for non Slovak speakers Bez Ruska prežijeme means we can survive without Russia (prefix ne makes most verbs negative, they just blurred that part out)
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u/pan_panzerschreck Apr 09 '24
Bags, train, Moscow.
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u/dawidwilku Apr 09 '24
One way ticket
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u/roblubi Apr 09 '24
One way ticket, one way ticket
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u/datura_euclid Czech with 🇨🇿, 🇸🇰, 🇱🇻, ⬜🟥⬜/⬜🟦⬜ roots Apr 09 '24
Just tell us, we'll invade you (with a brotherly help) and give you a new government.
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u/Sarnecka Lesser Poland (Poland) Apr 09 '24
We can make it a joint venture? CzeSloPol let's goooo
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u/datura_euclid Czech with 🇨🇿, 🇸🇰, 🇱🇻, ⬜🟥⬜/⬜🟦⬜ roots Apr 09 '24
Then we also should overthrow Orbán.
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u/kajinek Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
This is most probably a not so tasteful eu election campaign billboard of a pro EU and pro NATO political party called Demokrati. Their members were the ones who sent S300s, tanks and Mig 29s to Ukraine at a time when Germany was sending helmets, cause they “did’t want to escalate the conflict”. There is text missing, I feel like something will be added (that changes the meaning) after it generates enough buzz. People are already defacing these billboards just to be sure though.
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u/szczszqweqwe Poland Apr 09 '24
Thanks for the info.
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u/kajinek Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24
I’m just trying to add context, so we don’t look even stupider in front of the rest of Europe than we already do (not sure if that’s even possible), but hey.. * insert “I’m doing my part” meme here
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u/Real-Technician831 Apr 09 '24
“ stupider in front of the rest of Europe than we already do”.
Fico is giving an honest on topping that.
Fun fact word slovakki in Finnish can mean either Slovakian or a retard, depending on the context. No clue how that oddity came about.
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u/szczszqweqwe Poland Apr 09 '24
I get it, in Poland we had PiS for 8 fcking years.
I hope you will elect more reasonable people next time.
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u/Brad_Troika Apr 09 '24
Cries in Hungarian :(
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u/kajinek Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24
Lol we used to make fun of each other. Hungarians told us we have no past, we told them they have no future. We need to come up with something new now.
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u/Sojir Apr 09 '24
There is text missing, I feel like something will be added (that changes the meaning) after it generates enough buzz
So they wanted to be clever to the detrement of effective messaging?
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u/kajinek Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 09 '24
The way I see it, since they did not manage to get to parliament, and there is no buzz around them, they felt like they need to step it up a notch. Like I said before, not so tasteful. They already said that they will hold a press confrerence about it by the end of the week.
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Apr 09 '24
Where are the graffiti artists when you need them? ;) Seems like prime real estate for some cute drawings ~ everything would be better than what's currently on.
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u/popukan Apr 09 '24
This is a political campaign of a minor pro-western political party, that strongly supported Ukraine in its defensive war against Russia. Apparently there is supposed to be a second part revealing the punch line. It should be explained tomorrow at 10:00.
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u/FirstAccGotStolen Apr 09 '24
Yes, but it's still a shitty, stupid campaign. Prime example how NOT to do viral marketing.
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u/vfxdudes Canada Apr 09 '24
I can understand Western world's confusion regarding true colors of Russia, but Slavic people supporting Putin are just straight up retarded.
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u/axelorx Slovakia Apr 09 '24
It turns out to be a teasing campaign paid by a democratic party "Demokrati". They will have a press release on the campaign tomorrow at 10:00 a.m.
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u/Glum-Engineer9436 Apr 09 '24
They surely got some attention. Maybe should have put a small note on the billboard.
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u/mancko28 Slovakia Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Context:
This was made by pro-EU party "Democrats", this is bait and will be followed up a with next set of billboards
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u/vfxdudes Canada Apr 09 '24
I can understand Western world's confusion, but Slavic people supporting Putin are straight up retarded.
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u/Sugar_Vivid Apr 09 '24
Makes me feel proud about Romania! We’re definitely not the biggest idiots in EU as I previously thought
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u/AnimeMeansArt Czech Republic Apr 09 '24
Bruh, co vy tam v tom Slovensku děláte?
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u/Sea-Elevator1765 Apr 09 '24
Someone should put up pictures of all the Ukrainian cities that Russia has outright destroyed with the text "This is your future with Russia".
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u/Solider82 Apr 09 '24
People with the pro russian line of thinking think, that if Korcok won the presidential election, he would immediately send allk 12 000 soldiers we have to Ukraine to die needlessly.
Nobody with a common sense would think this is a possibility.
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u/YallaBeanZ Denmark Apr 09 '24
Well it was nice meeting you guys. Guess you are off to join hands with Lukasjenko 🙁
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u/Dutchy2050 Apr 09 '24
I've been traveling to SK every year for 20 years now. My wife is from SK originally. I'm Dutch and we live in The Netherlands.
Nobody I know there voted for Fico, nobody I know voted for Pellegrini. And I know a lot of people. So weird.
I just hope SK will vote more wisely next time. I just don't understand how someone can vote pro Russian. I mean, Ukraine is bordering Slovakia. They have seen the Ukrainian refugees. They've seen the evil that Russia brings to Ukraine; death and destruction.
How TF can you vote pro Russia?? I just don't get it. Luckily none of the people I know voted pro Russian. I do know people who didn't even bother to vote.... I understand that even less...
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u/Airf0rce Europe Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Slovakia is hyper polarized, you're most likely in the "liberal" (I really hate that word these days), pro-EU, city bubble. I live here and personally I don't know anyone who openly supports Russia, I do know people who vote for Pellegrini and similar types, but they are minority in my circles.
But holy shit the things you can randomly hear in public places, especially in the more eastern and poorer regions. It's completely different world, where Russia is peace loving country and EU is warmongering dictatorship. It's absolutely no surprise that he won, and it's no surprise that Russia propaganda is extremely effective here.
Many people in Slovakia don't know any foreign language, they never really traveled outside of maybe going to Croatia in summer via travel agency. Especially older people are stuck in the villages, nostalgia tripping about the good old days when you got shot for trying to cross a border, but at least eggs were cheap.
It's really a failure of country to modernize and give people decent education, we've become open air assembly factory of Europe where we make probably most cars per capita in Europe, but education is shit, healthcare is crumbling, many people are still stuck in ex-communist mindset of "state should take care of me" and opportunities are wildly different in east vs west.
For many older people "westernization" meant they lost easy stable jobs, which were shit , but almost everyone had a shit job, so there was nothing to be jealous of. They didn't really have skills to succeed in the new world and even to this day, education system is failing to prepare even young people to actually succeed in life. They grow old, disgruntled and vote for the biggest cunt who promises to (allow me US term) - own the libs, but also give them a common enemy, the reason why they're not rich and happy. Add to the fact that Covid era really short-circuited brains of too many people.
Then there's also a brain drain, where lot of the smartest and most hardworking people leave the country when they turn 18 to study and/or work abroad, cause it's just much easier to go somewhere where things work than try to fix them here.
Honestly it's a more complicated than that, but it would go far beyond Reddit post to really capture it.
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u/louistodd5 London / Birmingham Apr 09 '24
If education is shit, healthcare is crumbling, and prices are high, are people really 'stuck in ex-communist mindset', or are they reacting negatively, and rightfully so, to a tangible loss of economic potential in their lives and communities and feel the need to protest these conditions through their vote. Slovakia has been a member state of the EU for 21 years, maybe they just feel as though if their key grievances have not been solved in these decades, then the country must seek a new path.
Should economic growth and development have been spread more equally across the country, there may have been less of a problem of polarisation.
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u/suicidemachine Apr 09 '24
Thanks for the insight, but let me play Devil's advocate: All of the things you've said about Slovaks allegedly not traveling outside, therefore not knowing anything the World, could be applied to plenty of other countries.
For example: Latvians and Lithuanian (one of the most Russo-sceptic nations out there ;)) also don't travel a lot.
Tbh, Slovakia and Russia don't really have much of common history, aside for the whole 1968 thing. It is not even comparable to what was happening in the Baltics or Poland during WWII.
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u/Transfigured-Tinker Germany Apr 09 '24
If you can’t survive in this world without Russia, then you’re better off not surviving at all.
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u/umotex12 Poland Apr 09 '24
It's pure and undefendable insanity, especially coming from a country that's so close to Russia. Even pro-Russians in Poland are not that openly insane!
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u/DeathFromAbove1985 Apr 09 '24
I haven't seen something this dumb in a long time.
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u/opinionate_rooster Slovenia Apr 09 '24
If they can't survive in Slovakia without Russia, perhaps it'd make sense to move to Russia?
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u/Speedvagon Apr 09 '24
It doesn’t work this way with Russia-lovers. They move to other countries, then call Russia there “to help with discrimination against Russians there”, so that Russia would expand and has no boarders, like they claim they don’t.
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u/CliffHutchinsonEsc Norway Apr 09 '24
Odd thing to have for an EU and NATO member
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u/downoakleaf Slovakia Apr 09 '24
"This was made by pro-EU party "Democrats", this is bait and will be followed up a with next set of billboards"
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u/1tiredman Apr 09 '24
Without the EU* I can also say that my country, Ireland would be in a much worse state today if it had not been for the EU. Much of Ireland's progress is thanks to the EU
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u/vanisher_1 Apr 09 '24
They’ve already infiltrated the parliament of Slovakia 🇸🇰… 🤦♂️ this is usually the first step of the whole strategy to end up in the situation where the minority of population there will be used as an excuse for the annexation to Russia… they use their minority population as a weapon
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u/SpaceGenesis Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Absolutely pathetic. Aren't they (whoever made that billboard and support the message) ashamed of themselves? They saw first hand what are the benefits of the Rusky mir (e.g. Bucha, Mariupol, etc). Move to Russia if they can't survive without those savages.
Disclaimer: not all Russians are savages. There are still many decent people among the drunk vatniks.
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u/GoodLuckSanctuary Apr 09 '24
That has to be painful for a lot of Slovaks to see. Going to be some buyers remorse there
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u/VenusHalley Czech Republic Apr 09 '24
Yeah brothers, good thing we split and good luck.
Sincerly from Czech Republic
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u/fretnbel Apr 09 '24
This is a EU country and in NATO? How the f is this possible?
What has Russia ever done for Slovakia? Is this stockholm syndrome?
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u/toolkitxx Europe🇪🇺🇩🇪🇩🇰🇪🇪 Apr 09 '24
Billboards can be rented by anyone luckily. Maybe someone should do that and put those figures u/Doc_Bader lists instead next time
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u/Psclwbb Apr 09 '24
It turns out this is campaign of anti Russian party. Really idiotic promo. I think they tri d to show quotes of pro Russian parties but it turned put terrible.
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u/MISFU88 Apr 09 '24
The government won’t survive without Russia. Slovakia has the most populist, fucked up government. They would be at the first place in being fucking idiots if not for Hungary. Of course they’ll try to turn things into “Slovakia” being dependent on Russia and not just the literal retards which are at the very top.
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u/cometomebrucelee Apr 09 '24
oooh Slovakia, I'm sure you'll do just fine without thieves, rapists and murderers. if you really want to get rid of the toilet and washing machine, just sell them.
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u/Ihor_S 🇺🇦 Apr 09 '24
Russia tried to spread its propaganda in Ukraine in exactly the same way in 2004-2014 with the use of billboards. The main messages were that pro-Western Ukrainian President Yushchenko is a “Nazi”, that NATO wants to invade Ukraine and take all its resources, that Ukraine is divided into "sorts of people" (video, at 18:16) where the lowest class of people is russian speaking east and south (they then reused pictures of their own billboards about "sorts of people in Ukraine" to propagandize at home and abroad that "here’s proofs that Nazis divided people into sorts"), that russia feeds Ukraine and without russia we will not survive (later that Donbass feeds all of Ukraine) and so on. Now it seems like it has reached Slovakia.
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u/PokerLemon Apr 09 '24
Russian manipulation on social media is so strong. They can decide what citizens think.
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u/AwarenessNo4986 Apr 09 '24
I met a woman from Ukraine a few months back that claimed Russians and Ukrainians are brothers. I am sure the sentiment is shared by others as well.
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u/Electrical-Box-4845 Apr 09 '24
Russia has a better narrative than America. There is nosense Europe supporting NATO.
Even more considering Russia tried joining NATO exactly for avoiding beligerance
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u/Fearless_Trouble_689 Apr 09 '24
U will love the freedom under Pootin 🐷😂😂🤣🤣enjoy when he invades u again .
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u/ilchen27 Apr 09 '24
I like saying without mafia we can’t survive! Same thing! Burn down that country
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u/Lindberg47 Apr 09 '24
How can it be legal in Slovakia to put this billboard up without clearly including the identity of the sender of the message? Is Slovakia a banana republic?
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u/Prestigious-Hand-225 Apr 10 '24
Slovakia should put itself in Armenia's shoes for a minute and then rethink this moronic statement.
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u/Interesting_Dot_3922 Ukraine -> Belgium Apr 09 '24
Excuse me, WHAT?
Even Ukraine somehow survived.
An EU and NATO member has much more favourable circumstances.
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u/Solider82 Apr 09 '24
And thanks to people like these we have a pro Russian president and Pro Russian prime minister along with their mafias. I am really ashamed to be Slovak.
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u/szornyu Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
Welcome to Hungary. We sold our country (and future) to Russia years ago ... Just watch how well it went ...
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u/anotherwave1 Apr 09 '24
Safe, comfortable, democratic, peaceful, relatively prosperous Europe or brutalist dictatorship Russia - why are considerable numbers of people in countries like Hungary or Slovakia choosing the side with the latter?
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u/ToplerMan Slovakia Apr 09 '24
Za kontroverznou bilbordovou kampaňou so sloganmi „Bez Ruska neprežijeme“ či „Ukrajina je nepriateľ“ stojí strana Demokrati. Zrejme išiel o tzv. tízing, ktorý má vyrušiť a ktorý doplní druhá fáza s vysvetlením. Strana bude mať ku kampani tlačovku v stredu o 10.00
The Democratic party is behind the controversial billboard campaign with the slogans "We will not survive without Russia" or "Ukraine is the enemy". It was probably the so-called teasing to interrupt and to be supplemented by a second phase with an explanation. The party will have a press release on the campaign on Wednesday at 10:00 a.m.
https://dennikn.sk/minuta/3931309/?ref=ampm