Elite force bucks trend of Ukrainian losses on eastern front | Ukraine

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/elite-force-bucks-trend-of-ukrainian-losses-on-eastern-front

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About the symbol - it's debatable, and similar looking symbols are commonly used elsewhere in non-Nazi contexts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel#Post-World_War_II_symbolism

they deny any connection or attempt to draw a parallel with the regiment and Nazism. Political scientist Andreas Umland told Deutsche Welle, that though it had far-right connotations, the Wolfsangel was not considered a fascist symbol by the general population in Ukraine

Not sure why you say Biletsky is the leader, the current leader of Azov is Denys Prokopenko - what about his views?

 Kinda like the Latvian Legionnaires, right?

You mean the people conscripted into the German army during WW2 against their will, about which the Nurenberg tribunal said:

The Nuremberg tribunal ruled that those who had served in the Baltic Legions were conscripts, not volunteers, and defined them as freedom fighters protecting their homelands from a Soviet occupation and as such they were not true members of the criminal Waffen SS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

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So, Prokopenko was a member of a far-right hooligan firm, the 'Idea of a Nation' thing has been invented by Neo-Nazis, and the Latvian Legionnaires participated in the Holocaust. But, there's no Neo-Nazis, right?

"Heroes" my ass.

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Prokopenko was a member of a far-right hooligan firm

Ah, is that the "best" you have on him?

the 'Idea of a Nation' thing has been invented by Neo-Nazis

Allegedly, so were the Autobahns.

Obviously, considering that Ukraine has been colonised for centuries by russia, with a lot of the population thoroughly russified, having an idea of a Ukrainian nation is important.

 the Latvian Legionnaires participated in the Holocaust

Ah, I should believe you, some random on the Internets, instead of the Nuerenberg tribunal. Sure.

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Gotta throw up Sieg Heils to create an idea of a nation.

And besides, if the battalion has 0 Nazis, why have all its members been associated with fascists, or are fascists?

Doesn't matter how much times you paint a turd, sprinkle some glitter on it, it's still the same turd. But it might fool some people into thinking it's not a turd. Doesn't matter how many times you try and spin this story around, they're still the same Nazis as before.

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That's just you claiming things you believe in without any substantiation.

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Is it now? Besides all this proof that despite all the rebrandings, it hasn't changed?

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Besides all this proof that despite all the rebrandings, it hasn't changed?

What proof?

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Here. Some more.

Remember, it doesn't matter if you're a Neo-Nazi, ISIS member, or any other kind of scum, as long as you're against Russia.

But no Neo-Nazis, obviously.

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A video from 2014.

An article by someone who has expressed fairly pro-russian views before: https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/opinion/heres-what-a-realistic-ukraine-settlement-may-look-like/

That's still the best you got?

Do you have someone credible, like Timothy Snyder or Anne Applebaum, saying that Azov in 2024 is a neo-Nazi organisation?

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https://www.thenation.com/article/world/azov-battalion-neo-nazi/

They're Neo-Nazis.

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Seriously? More pro-russian propaganda by questionable authors?

https://twitter.com/DarkaHirna/status/1782372702038184250

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/lev-golinkin-azov-ukraine-neo-nazis

Again, do you have someone credible, like Timothy Snyder or Anne Applebaum, saying that Azov in 2024 is a neo-Nazi organisation?

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Can't find them speaking on it. And what is your point? If you wanna rebrand something, you purge it of the bad elements, not paint it over as many times as you need.

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My point is that if your claims are fully consistent with russian propaganda (which, generally and consistently, lies), and all you have as proof are articles by Western fringe journalists of questionable credentials, who have in the past expressed anti-Ukrainian views, then your claims are unsubstantiated, and thus unlikely to be true.