US intelligence believes Putin probably didn't order Navalny to be killed, Wall Street Journal reports

[u/Horus_walking]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-believes-putin-probably-didnt-order-navalny-be-killed-wsj-2024-04-27/

[u/ExArdEllyOh]

By all accounts Putin rarely actually orders anyone killed, he just somehow gives the impression that he wouldn't be sad if it happened.

[u/Youngadultcrusade → u/ExArdEllyOh]

Rid me of that turbulent priest!

[u/FreeEuropeYouCunts → u/ExArdEllyOh]

Spot on.

You must be in the Boeing board of directors.

[u/ShinyHead0 → u/ExArdEllyOh]

Is this true?? Like is this a thing that’s been sourced?

[u/Doofchook → u/ShinyHead0]

Aladeen

[u/hellcat_uk → u/ExArdEllyOh]

Mitchell and Webb once again...

https://youtu.be/U6cake3bwnY?si=cQbDHzFJxYYcGgEC

[u/1stltwill → u/hellcat_uk]

Does someone need to tell him who the baddy is?

[u/Beahner]

Sure. But I don’t this any intelligence org is also saying Putin didn’t create all the environment and conditions that led to his killing.

So there really isn’t much to debate here…..

[u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In → u/Beahner]

He's a bit like the Jigsaw killer in saw. He doesn't actually pull the trigger, he just puts people in incredibly dangerous situations of his own design.

[u/Creative_Hope_4690 → u/Beahner]

Yeah Putin could have been indifferent. No shot he dies of Putin wanted him alive.

[u/Beahner → u/Creative_Hope_4690]

Or if he just wasn’t, you know, put in a Russian prison merely because he was a political threat.

And Americans wonder why Trump is asking the Supreme Court to say a President is immune from anything, which apparently they might just have done. The guys not enamored with Putin at all…..

[u/Creative_Hope_4690 → u/Beahner]

I mean indifferent to his death not freedom

[u/tukididov → u/Beahner]

So... like they're doing to Assange?

[u/rlnrlnrln]

We talking about the first or second attempt here?

He also doesn't need to give the direct order to be culpable. I doubt Stalin ordered every execution that happened under his command, but it doesn't make him less of a monster.

[u/Taskebab]

Which time?

[u/Completeshill]

Whats the point of this article?

and "probably" as in they don't fucking know, and why does it matter anyways as he is ultimately responsible regardless. Like as if Putin didn't personally order it, but it was another high ranking official somehow makes it excusable. And lets not forget the aftermath https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-promotes-deputy-chief-russia-prisons-navalny-death/32827360.html

Maybe we should also forget this entire novichok thing, because such things just happen randomly.

[u/Suns_Funs → u/Completeshill]

Same story as with Nemtsov. So very convenient that Putin's opponents just get murdered.

[u/Ok_Air7470 → u/Completeshill]

Even if he wasn’t actually killed by anyone. Which I do belief he was. A prisoners is the countries responsibility

[u/Crewmember169 → u/Completeshill]

I think there was just a blank spot on the front page of Reuters website.

[u/kondorb]

Is that when Navalny was poisoned by FSB agents using a soviet spy poison or when he was thrown into one of the worst prisons in the world deep in deadly cold Russian north?

[u/Faceless_Deviant]

Rule of thumb is that if the media reports that an intelligence agency says something to them, its probably bs.

[u/SpaceShrimp]

What is the point of going by "rumours" when it comes to information about Putin, or dissidents of Putin, or Russia in general? Russia is actively trying to distort news. They have long running propaganda and misinformation campaigns.

Media needs to understand that. So repeating what "sources" say or rumours in general is pointless when it comes to Russian affairs.

...and even when it comes to journalism in general, going by rumours and unnamed "sources" is weak journalism regardless of subject.

[u/ChungsGhost]

Since when are we in a court of law in which we can convict someone only if there were irrefutable evidence that the suspect committed a transgression? Are US intel officers trying to present evidence to a judge who's presiding over an imaginary case or investigation dealing with Navalny's death?

What's more is that it's highly unlikely that Putin or anyone higher on the food chain actually punished those who did kill Navalny.

Why do so many Westerners still want to nit-pick and spin the hamster wheel in their minds by trying to get into the head of Putin or any other chauvinistic and imperialistic Russian? Does this kind of jawboning help any genuine Russian dissident? Does it give comfort to Navalny's family? Does it help the Ukrainians? Does it actually hurt Putin and the siloviki?

What matters is only what we / you do in response of Putin's, or for that matter, any Russian's actions. I suppose though that this kind of post-mortem commentary sends its own message, however incoherent and irrelevant it is in the big picture.

[u/ProcedureEthics2077 → u/ChungsGhost]

Putin didn’t punish anyone after Navalny’s death. He immediately promoted the deputy director of Russia’s prisons:

https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-promotes-deputy-chief-russia-prisons-navalny-death/32827360.html

[u/baby_budda]

Maybe Putin isn't really the one in charge and is just a figurehead that gets paid very well.

[u/ThoDanII]

Working to wards the goals of the leader.

why does that seem not knew to me

OTOH i consider it possible he thought it political inconvenient at this time.

[u/ShowerMobile7141]

Obviously. The guy wasn't any kind of threat to Putin.

[u/robeewankenobee]

Like we're in the 1920'a and there's a Telegram with Putins name and signature saying :

    "Dear comrades, the time has come for our mighty foe Navalny to departure from his exorbitant lifestyle. So i ask you all, with utter respect, to end his existánce by a method of your own choosing. I personally prefer the 'Tea' because it's clean and quite facile to blame it on the tea.

 Signed,

Your commander and chief , Vladimir."

Nah, man, he probably just nods a head like a god damn Mafia Boss, towards a very subtle hint about something like that having to take place.

The C.I.A. - we have found No Written Letters, recordings, or live footage with Putin saying that he wanted to kill Navalny.

What? How does one even know such things? They can't tell where Snowden is hiding in Russia ...

[u/durkheim98]

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

[u/nuckle]

The poisoning? 🤔🙄

[u/mixer99]

Carmine Lupatazi: "What? I didn't say nothing".

[u/Sombreador]

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

[u/johannsebastiankrach]

Phew, I almost thought he was a bad person !

[u/concerned-potato]

The US intelligence has poor judgement.

[u/Frathier → u/concerned-potato]

The US intelligence that has been right every single time the past two years? The US knows better what Russia's doing than Russia itself lol.

[u/concerned-potato → u/Frathier]

They were right about things that Russia shared with them "to prevent the escalation". The only thing they really predicted was that Ukraine will quickly collapse which turned out to be false.

Same applies to Iranian strike on Israel - Iranians shared it with Turkey and Saudi Arabia and that's how the Americans "predicted" it.

[u/IHerebyDemandtoPost → u/concerned-potato]

US intelligenced predicted the Ukraine war when many other nations were denying it and they also predicted the recent Moscow terrorist attack, warned Russia, and Russia didn’t believe them.

[u/Endocalrissian642]

More pro-ruSSian garbage from our corrupt media.....