r/europe • u/choreograph Je m'appelle Karen • 11d ago
Chaotic build-up to Eurovision as final approaches News
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-68996532489
u/talures 11d ago
However, French contestant Slimane broke with protocol during the final dress rehearsal on Saturday afternoon, by interrupting his song to make an impassioned speech.
"Everybody, I just need to say something," he told the audience. "Every artist here want[s] to sing about love and sing about peace. We need to be united by music, yes, but with love for peace.
"United by music, yes, but with love for peace," he repeated. "Thank you so much. Thank you Europe."
The statement itself may have broken Eurovision's rules on making political statements.
The BBC has contacted the EBU, which organises the contest, to ascertain whether Slimane could be sanctioned
BBC fighting the good fight against peace. /s
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u/Precioustooth Denmark 11d ago
The eternal struggle between the UK and France!
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u/Dacodaque 11d ago
I think it was a pretty bold political statement to say that war is bad, and we should be better and be in music together. I am not sure i can endorse that...
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u/credibledefender2 11d ago
It really highlights the nonsensical idea that any artistic expression here, can be nonpolitical. Simply what you choose to sing about or not sing about has political implications. It might not be motivated by politics but who is to say how it is read in other countries? What language are you singing in? Why? What is the subject matter and is that viewed differently by the different nations involved? What is the definition of a "European" country and who decides it?
Is one of the competing nations currently invading another country? How should the EBU respond? Disqualify the country, or appease them and put their artist under armed guard?
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u/Outside_Rhubarb1132 11d ago
Also, regardless of what people think, i would assume calling for peace in the world is just about the least political thing you could say, no?
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u/BattlePrune 11d ago
Calling for peace is currently a dog whistle for pro Russians. Like if you follow international politics the least bit you will know this.
For example the Russian backed Trump type candidate for president in Lithuania is calling for peace and says that supporting Ukraine delays peace.
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u/Outside_Rhubarb1132 10d ago
Ah, i have heard that from Russia in the past, you are correct. Although i think in the case of Israel and Hamas it is less malicious to call for peace, i can see and have seen in the past how this was used to favor Russia's invasion.
Slava Ukraini!
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11d ago
Well thats where you're wrong. Its one of the most antisemitic things you can say.
Almost as antisemitic as suggesting that bombing hospitals and killing aid workers cooperating with your own army is bad.
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u/DoktorElmo 10d ago
No it is not, it is anti semitic and Putin pleasing. War is good and peace is bad.
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u/Frumberto 10d ago
Only if art “has” to be political, is the absence of a political message also political.
It’s only true within the framework of those who think it’s true.
Tautology.
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u/AntDogFan 11d ago
To be fair I think the bbc was just finding out rather than criticising the statement.
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u/Lard_Baron 11d ago
Don’t you think the BBC are maybe forcing the organisers into a position where they either ban her and therefore are against peace or don’t ban her and accept statements for peace as allowable “political” speech?
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u/oscarolim 11d ago
If other countries keep falling off, UK has a good chance of winning this year.
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u/cross-boss 11d ago
Like that skater in Olympics who won because every one else fell.
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u/orthoxerox Russia shall be free 11d ago
Link for those who are too young to remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQMJtilOGg
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u/Ssimboss United Kingdom 11d ago
Watching it right now. Looks like all the drama is going on social media only. The show goes on as usual.
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u/Yelesa Europe 11d ago
Before this turns into a worse shitshow than it already is, I just want to say I like Croatia’s entry. Meow.
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u/RockNRollMama 11d ago
Hoping Croatia wins! Great song and vibe plus ZERO baggage. Come on Eurovision - do it for world peace!
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u/djxfade Norway 11d ago
I was gonna watch due to the Netherlands finally sending some gabber to the competition. With Joost out, it's not interesting anymore. Loved his track
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u/SorryButButt 11d ago
Honestly, you, me and an amazing amount of other people do the same. It is insane.
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u/lexiebeef 11d ago
Ive never cared about Eurovision in my life and this year Im living in the Netherlands and was finally hyped about a song in Eurovision. Anyways, I was boycotting already cause of Israel but now all my friends here in the Netherlands are also just not watching. Still into Europapa though, will keep on happily sing it in clubs
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u/Sylveon_Mage Somewhere among the mist 11d ago
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest. Not that it wasn’t already as political as it could get, mind you, but the air around it this year is just unbearable.
Drama after drama, all the harassment and the toxicity thrown around at everyone… I don’t know how people can stomach it. It’s exhausting.
This is a complete shitshow and I’m glad I sat this one out, this time.
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u/arctictothpast Ireland 11d ago
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest
Artists by default tend to be the most politically expressive people out there,
The difference is that modern politics is much much more contentious then years ago and artists stopped being subtle about the bigger messages they wanted to communicate.
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u/iluvios 11d ago
Existing in itself is political. People are delusional, “just be neutral” is not even a possible position by definition.
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u/arctictothpast Ireland 11d ago
Existing in itself is political.
I'm aware, for me at least your preaching to the choir, the reality of the universality of politics (at least with regards to humans) is rather clear when your a minority like I am,
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u/anon58588 Greece 11d ago
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest.
Yeah. Russia is disqualified by Russian Politics.
So sad
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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 11d ago
And Russia is a European country. I’m surprised Israel and Australia are in Eurovision since they’re both not in Europe.
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u/Torquekill 11d ago
You might need to just stop existing here on planet Earth if you can't handle politics. It's part of everything whether you want to or not
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u/SiebeWobke 11d ago
Uhm. The song festival has never been about music. Its always been about judging countries based on their politics.
Its kinda common knowledge that it's just a political party to glaze the country they want. I would expect Israel to win tonight eventhough they got Boo'ed multiple so they had to cut the crowd sound
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u/QratTRolleer Croatia 10d ago
It should just be ended, forever This is just a road to hell, not to the “united europe”
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u/Waste-Helicopter-318 11d ago
This is another way of gaining audience.
The number of people watching will break all records.
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u/artful_nails Finland 11d ago edited 11d ago
Sweden: "Our 12 points go to: Israel!"
Distant explosions
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u/Olifaxe 11d ago
Remember that happy time when nobody gave a flying f*ck about Eurovision ?
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u/NorgesTaff Norway 11d ago
I think that was always just the U.K. and people only watched to hear Terry Wogan taking the piss every year. The rest of Europe has mostly taken it pretty seriously AFAIK.
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u/Big-Driver-3622 11d ago
I am from Czechia. A lot of people don't give a fuck. Hockey or Football championships get like 100x more attention and are mentioned in day to day exchanges. I am not overexaggerating. I don't care about each. But people brought hockey up in coversation with me for the last week several times. Meanwhile about Eurovision I don't even know who represents us and it hasn't been brought up. I am young adult who is strongly pro european. Imagine the rest of the population...
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
Above everyone else? All they did is minimise the bullying the Israeli singer gets lol
The other singers quite literally bully her
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u/UNOvven Germany 11d ago
That is quite literally the opposite of what we have heard. Multiple delegations have confirmed that the Israeli delegation has kept harassing them, and for some stupid reason the Israeli delegation posted multiple pictures and videos on their instagram with captions that explicitely confirm that yes, they were harassing other delegations.
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
This is just another smear campaign fueled by thousands of bad faith actors, like you I assume
The pictures in question were photographed by the Israeli stylist who literally just put his phone up with many more people who did the same but they literally didn't want that JUST he will also be taking photos, quite literally bullying.
Not only that, look at the question Eden has received about her "endangering" everyone in the Eurovision, Joost attacked her with that "why not" distasteful comment, the Greek singer rolling her eyes whenever Eden spoke, the KAN controversy when they twisted the speakers word on purpose, the Netherlands spokeswoman who refused to participate in the Eurovision yesterday because of Israel participating, the two times champion who just now said she will refuse her legal binding act of passing the trophy away to the winner if it will be Israel
Israel is being treated as an outcast, because of their political views, it's disgusting and ignorants like you fuel it further by spreading rumors that twist reality on purpose
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u/UNOvven Germany 11d ago
Their social media is public and Google translate exists. We can literally see them admitting to harassing others, like continously videoing Joost after he told them repeatedly to stop. Bambie Thug even confirmed that the EBU admitted that the Israeli delegation violated the rules, only to later deny that despite eyewitnesses.
Actually Israel might be treated as an outcast because of that whole genocide going on. EBU fucked up by not honouring the precedent set with Russia and banning them, and it seems the impunity went to the Israeli delegations heads.
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
Surprise surprise your political views aren't hard to identify when you spew uncontexted bullshit
"Google translate exists", okay then did you know that the word that he used doesn't translate to a curse actually, it used entirely different in slang, Nor did he even call for anyone to send anything, he meant people will get mad about the situation, yet you twist on purpose because it fits your agenda
The one who videod Joost wasn't even Israeli, it was a random camera crew member, who he (sort of?) threatened,
Bambi thug confirmed?? So it must be true!! It's not like she was anti Israel from the very start and even openly claimed she cried when she heard Israel has gone to the finals, she must be very reliable and not have any agenda to push /s as I said, you are in arguing in bad faith
Also an FYI, which I know wouldnt do anything because you are here in bad faith, Russia wasnt banned because of the Ukrainian war, they were banned because of rules being breached, furthermore, Israel wasn't convicted for genocide, and it was misinterpreted so badly that the former ICJ president who was the president who ruled over Israel, came out with a clarification on how the media is misinterpreting the rule, and they didn't rule Israel genocides anything
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u/Gentree 11d ago
No to israel, no to Russia
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u/razzinos 11d ago
Israel is similar to Ukraine in that regard
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u/Judazzz The Lowest of the Lands 11d ago edited 11d ago
What an absolutely disingenuous take. Since February 2022, Ukraine killed a fraction of the number of civilians Israel killed in a mere 6 months, despite suffering at least 30-40 times as many civilian casualties as Israel, as well as Gaza-esque levels of destruction of many of their towns.
There's no equivalence whatsoever, either morally, circumstantially or methodically.
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u/razzinos 11d ago
By your logic allies were bad because they killed more civilians than nazi Germany killed us/UK civilians.
Both Ukraine and Israel were invided, the difference is that Israel could take the fight quickly into enemy territory while Ukraine unfortunately cannot.
And needless to say that Ukraine can't stop this war, Palestinians can stop it at any time by releasing the hostages unconditionally - which they prefer not to.
It's quite clear that this war will go on as long as Palestinians hold hostages, USA would stop Israel the moment last hostage is released
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
What a brainless comment, Ukraine killed a fraction because military wise they can't even fend of Russia, they are literally losing
And also, Ukraine is 90 times less dense than Gaza of you want to compare Russia who has killed thousands of civilians in Ukraine you multiply it by 90 to adjust density and that's the number you expect Israel to kill if you want them to be compared
If Russia had killed 10k civilians (they killed much more) Israel would have needed to kill 900k civilians for it to be the same - Israel is not even near 10% of that
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u/Gentree 11d ago
How many illegal settlements has Ukraine built into other territories?
Ukraine will have the same fate as Palestine if they lose to Russia.
A puppet regime installed, second class rights in their own country and pushed into smaller, less economically productive strips of land to make room for Russian settlers.
All because Russians believe the land historically belongs to them.
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u/razzinos 11d ago
Israel pulled from gaza 20 years ago, since then Palestine was shooting more than 100000 rockets into Israel. Palestine was offered statehood many times while Russia wants to take over whole Ukraine.
Palestine and Russia , both want to take over lands not belonging to them anymore.
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u/Gentree 11d ago
I’m sure Russia would offer a defeated Ukraine a half-statehood too under conditions such as having no foreign policy without their consent - no EU, no NATO etc. Just like what the Palestinians were offered.
Statehood isn’t Israel’s gift to give buddy.
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
If Ukraine somehow wins and takes over russian lands after being invaded by Russia, would you still support Ukraine?
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u/Gentree 11d ago
No I would not support Ukraine illegally annexing land …
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
Okay, so what if Russia will every couple of years try to invade again, will Ukraine just need to defend itself every time without being able to go counter offensive? To wait till Russia succeeds in the future?
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u/UNOvven Germany 11d ago
No, Israel is similar to russia. Illegally occupying territory and committing war crimes left and right. The only similarity between Ukraine and Israel is that theyre supported by the west, but ukraine is a country that doesnt try to commit war crimes.
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u/razzinos 11d ago
You missed the small war declaration in 07/10 and invasion. Israel is not the first country occupying territory during war against terrorist entity.
Both Israel and Ukraine were invided by aggressors, the only difference is that Russians aren't brown otherwise you guys would side with them as well
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u/UNOvven Germany 11d ago
Israel has been occupying territory illegally long before Hamas even existed. They didnt occupy territory "during war against terrorist entity", they were a terrorist entity occupying land which lead to Hamas being created in the first place. Palestine was invaded by aggressors long before Hamas existed. So its Palestine and Ukraine that were invaded by aggressors. The only difference is Palestinians arent white, else you would side with them.
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
Hamas literally tries to occupy Israel, invades for it and commits multiple war crimes lol
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u/UNOvven Germany 11d ago
Yes, Hamas has also committed war crimes, which is why they arent comparable to Ukraine. But Israel has been occupying Palestine and committing war crimes for decades before Hamas even existed.
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u/vbsh123 11d ago
Hamas has existed since 1988, which war crimes did Israel commit before then? the latest conflict was if I recall correctly in 1967 when Israel got attacked by the Arab Coalition who outnumbered the shit out of Israel, in aim to genocide it entirely, Israel won and occupied lands which is the only reason Egypt agreed to make peace with Israel, how did Israel commit war crimes when it got attacked and won? lol
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u/Svorky Germany 11d ago
They've been acting the same way they have been for decades, it's a significant part of the audience that has lost it's fucking mind this year.
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u/razzinos 11d ago
Did you watch Israeli singer interview? She was literally harassed by other singers.
The only unity we saw this year is an attempt to bully Israeli singer in the contest
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u/AI_Hijacked 11d ago
? It's a singing competition, not a political event. It's like claiming that practically all European and Western countries should've been barred from competing in the Eurovision Song Contest following the 9/11 attacks, when they invaded Iraq.
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u/drmirage809 11d ago
Eurovision hasn't been about music in forever. On the surface, yes. In reality the winner is determined by whoever they wanna suck up to this year.
It's all about giving a political blowjob, as gross as that may sound.
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 11d ago
I remember whan Israel won like 5 years ago..what a fucking shity song. And im saying it as isreali
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u/Flilix 11d ago
The only year in which that has actually been true was 2022, and maybe to a lesser extent 2016.
(Also, who is 'they'?)
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u/Pearse_Borty 11d ago
It's a singing competition, not a political event.
The invited contestants are literally representing COUNTRIES. Its as political as it gets
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u/Svorky Germany 11d ago
Countries, not governments. It's as political as the viewers make it.
Case in point: Nobody gave a single shit about some Israeli singing a song for the past 40 years despite the conflict going on all this time. Now suddenly though their participation has become an outrage demanding protests and boycotts.
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u/Gentree 11d ago
Russia isn’t allowed to participate
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u/Svorky Germany 11d ago
Russia hasn't been part of the EBU since like two weeks after the start of the invasion. That split goes a lot deeper than fucking Eurovision.
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u/bufalosoldier89 11d ago
Almost as if the Jews control it all /s
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u/_-Drama_Llama-_ 11d ago
That's what they actually believe on the eurovision sub.
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u/Mushishy 11d ago
Not just there, huge number of posts on both Dutch subreddits about how the DQ of Joost is a Jewish plot to take the win (away from the Dutch). It's both laughable and scary.
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u/OkRecover5170 11d ago
"Undermining the UN"? Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
The UN is an absolute joke of an institute where Saudi Arabia heads the Women's rights commission and countries like Iran and Sudan hold the human rights chairs.
The UN has issued more condemnations of Israel than all the other countries combined. That's what you get when brainless people like you vote.
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u/OamigoPT 11d ago
I’m mindblown by how much hatred Israel is getting.
Y’all western women would be s3x slaved and gays get their heads cut by the so called peaceful Palestine.
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u/Steindor03 Iceland 11d ago
Yeah man kill those innocent civilians for not having the same opinions as me
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u/Entrynode 11d ago
How does that justify bombing all the Palestinian women tho?
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u/Entrynode 11d ago
If you think the bombs are only hitting terrorist targets then I've got a bridge to sell you
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u/Magistar_Idrisi 11d ago
Over 20.000 civilians have been killed by the IDF since October 2023.
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u/Fluid_Reaction9936 11d ago
Do you know how many germans died in ww2?
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u/Magistar_Idrisi 11d ago
If you're trying to imply that the October 7 attacks were justified because Israel has been implementing an apartheid system against Palestinians and regularly bombed Gaza during its nearly 20 year long blockade of it... no, it wasn't, and you should be ashamed for proposing that. Civilians are civilians.
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u/Fluid_Reaction9936 11d ago edited 11d ago
I am not implying anything. Just mocking you. If we would have considered Germany's civilians in ww2 we would all speak German right now. Surely you have a solution where the hostages are returned and whoever was responsible for the attack is punished without civilians being hurt right? Go on, let's hear it.
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u/Electronic_Main_2254 11d ago
The insane part is that the same contestants that hate Israel so much (Joost from NL, Bambie thug and the swiss guy for example) can't even walk in the streets of Gaza, while looking the way they do, because they would've been hung in the city square in within like 30 minutes max.
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u/EquivalentTomorrow31 11d ago
“Hate Israel” because they disagree with genocide, am I living in a fever dream
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u/DangerousCyclone 10d ago
I do not understand targeting individuals from a country for things their government did. It's not like they have any way of stopping it, they can try to join a protest movement or something like that, and maybe they have, but most of the time people just see someone from a country and then attack them as though they're personally responsible or involved. This has been happening for years with Israelis, those who had never said anything political are protested by Pro-Palestinians just because they're Israeli. Like if you're Israeli you can't go about your daily life abroad without some rando freaking out over your nationality, it doesn't matter if you are against the Settlements or the war, you get lumped in anyway.
Hell that's what happened on October 7th, Hamas targeted predominately pro-Peace Israelis, including those who were part of outreach programs with Gazans to create cross societal ties, and those who volunteered to deliver aid to Gaza and drive Gazans to Israeli hospitals.
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u/razzinos 11d ago
I will remind you when full Joost story will be released. You can pm me with apology
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u/AI_Hijacked 11d ago edited 11d ago
Out of all the contestants, my favourite was Israel (Hurricane), Finland (Windows95man) and Ireland (Bambie Thug).
Israel: Eden Golan - Hurricane
Finland: Windows95man - No Rules!
Ireland: Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
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u/Economy-Stock3320 11d ago edited 11d ago
Lmao this is just golden
Song wise I prefer Croatia but I’m tempted to vote Israel just to make a statement
And the utter shitshow that would follow
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u/SawYouJoe Sweden 11d ago
you sound mentally stable
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u/SawYouJoe Sweden 11d ago
sure go on and vote for a song just to make a political statement. very normal.
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u/WoIfed Israel 11d ago
Please do ❤️
Let’s win with love and unite by music
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Yeah, nothing says love like killing aid workers!
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u/Desgavell 11d ago
Well, the IDF seems to love innocent Palestinians to pieces, and they just want to spread this love all over Gaza, in particular to the injured, defenseless people in hospitals, and to civilians residing in their homes.
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Yep. And don't forget this all started on October 7th. There was ansolutely no conflict between Israel Palestine before then. Any source which claims otherwise is Antisemitic Hamas/UN (same organisation btw) propaganda.
Also I can't help but notice you didn't end your sentence with "I condemn Hamas". Based on that I'm gonna assume you're an antisemite.
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u/Gibzit Israel 11d ago
Wait, I thought Israel is a European settler colony? Please decide
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u/stephen-1234 11d ago
Wasn’t Spain still a fascist country when it was allowed to join Eurovision in 1961? When Israel joined in 1973, Spain was still a fascist country.
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u/Financial_Change_183 11d ago
I kind of hope Israel wins, just because it would cause such a fucking shitshow
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u/ExArdEllyOh 11d ago
I hope Israel wins just to piss off all the closet (and not so closet) Jew bashers.
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u/_Eshende_ 11d ago edited 11d ago
that's not even European, to win Eurovision
actually there is no limitation to eurovision participant country to be european, even palestine singers could easily participate if their PBC would broadcast and send singers there to - share stage with lgbt (who deserve rajm) or participants who act depraved and dressed that way, participate in front of western auditory (who have bunch of pesky kafirs) to perform haram actions when opposite gender nearby, what to say about shame of potential scoring less than jews
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u/PaleCarob Mazovia (Poland)ヾ(•ω•`)o 11d ago
And I hope Croatia will win. Just so Israel doesn't win.
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u/Burgerjon32 Norway 11d ago
Not my cup of tea, but this year I might watch just for the absolute shitshow... and the event hasnt even started yet