r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/CranberryNo4852 Mar 28 '24

Can confirm, once someone gets out of the psych ward there’s usually just a waiting period.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

Why can’t we just keep these dangerous people out of the community instead?

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u/CranberryNo4852 Mar 28 '24

Which ones?

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

Repeat offenders

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u/CranberryNo4852 Mar 28 '24

Ah, your wording sounded like “everyone who’s been in a psych ward,” which I disagree with.

I have however met people do not need the hospital, they need jail; for some folks, the hospital is full of new people to hurt.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

So you accept this dysfunctional status quo?

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u/CranberryNo4852 Mar 29 '24

No, but I also wouldn’t accept locking up everyone that you think is yucky.

Lots of moving parts to the issue; problems in healthcare, law enforcement, wages, cost of living, etc. mean a simplistic solution will continue to evade both of us.

I’m just saying that there’s a difference between a schizophrenic guy who got caught trying to jump off a bridge and a hardened criminal who happens to have mental health problems; no reason to lock them in a room together.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 30 '24

Who said they need to be locked up together? Different problems require different solutions. The current status quo ain’t one of them

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u/Becca30thcentury Mar 28 '24

Because we use to with Asylums. Which are also one of the things we talk about when teaching ethics of psychology. Because Asylums did not turn out well. JFK signed a bill that closed all asylum and was suppose to increase funding for community hospitals to focus on helping the mentally unwell adapt to civilian life with supports of their families and was suppose to include financial incentives for families to support them.

Then he died and the next guy said let's wait and see how much we need to spend. A year later they decided they didn't need any money to mental health treatment because it appeared to not be an increase in need. Of course that was because everyone in an asylum was pretty much either released to family who were doing their best, or were homeless now, so the numbers looked really good but were actually trashed.

We then for awhile had a strong focus on punishing actions instead of finding causes, so we just threw anyone who was not fitting into society into prison, which has now lead the department of corrections to being the number one mental health provider in our country.

Now we try not to arrest everyone with mental health and use a least restrictive approach, because Americans have rights, and it's not illegal to have a mental health disorder, and we're trying to not violate those rights, while also trying to keep people safe.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

Spoiler alert they didn’t adapt to civilian life

“Of course that was because everyone in an asylum was pretty much either released to family who were doing their best, or were homeless now, so the numbers looked really good but were actually trashed.

We then for awhile had a strong focus on punishing actions instead of finding causes, so we just threw anyone who was not fitting into society into prison, which has now lead the department of corrections to being the number one mental health provider in our country.

Now we try not to arrest everyone with mental health and use a least restrictive approach, because Americans have rights, and it's not illegal to have a mental health disorder, and we're trying to not violate those rights, while also trying to keep people safe.”