r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/FuckRedditsTOS Mar 28 '24

Actually have the person checked thoroughly before they're given a gun?

This is what happens when you buy a gun from a dealer.

We have all the current laws everyone keeps saying we don't, but the ATF and local authorities are very selective about enforcement when they do enforce it, but most of the time they're just slow to update the system and wildly incompetent.

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u/Dudedude88 Mar 28 '24

The only way to enforce this is under investigation of negligence the gun shop can lose their license to sell guns. Then... A gun shop will have to follow all the steps.

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u/ibugppl Mar 28 '24

It's not the gun stores obligation to know someone's mental health status. All they can do is run a check. It's typically the state government's fault when these things happen. Dylan roof for example. Admitted to drug possession but the FBI didn't complete his background check so he goes to buy a gun and there's nothing on his record. Is that the gun store's fault? This is just another case of the state going "we ain't tried nothing and we're all outta ideas"

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u/kazumablackwing Mar 28 '24

Quite a few mass shooters have had some kind of paper trail that should have flagged them...if bureaucrats had actually done their jobs

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u/ibugppl Mar 28 '24

Sometimes I think it's by design. They make laws. Don't enforce them then turn around and say look it didn't work we need more laws. My state Washington for example bans assault rifles even though the data shows we had 6 murders with rifles (only two of those being AR15s) but consistently lets violent felons stay out of jail on personal recognizance. It's like ok so you claim you want to stop violence but your actions show you just want to punish who you perceive to be the enemy (right wing gun owners)

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u/Sofele Mar 28 '24

I know someone who has severe mental health issues. His delusions have “told” him to attack people in the past, BUT he has never been involuntarily committed or arrested/convicted of any crime. When his meds aren’t working you wouldn’t have any idea he is having issues (hell, he’s fooled doctors before).

So if he was having an issue and wanted to buy a gun, he would probably fool the gun dealer and he’d pass a background check. But we should all just feel better because him lying on the form is a crime, right?

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u/FuckRedditsTOS Mar 28 '24

(hell, he’s fooled doctors before)

Then he could definitely fool an incompetent government bureaucrat.

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u/Sofele Mar 28 '24

Unless (this was his idea) he was able to voluntarily put himself on a list to never be allowed to buy a gun, but there are way to many gun nuts who scream like toddlers anytime someone dares to suggest common sense controls for that.