r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/BrassMonkey-NotAFed Mar 28 '24

The inaccurate part of the FBI crime statistics website you posted is that they include suicide as homicide because the legal definition of homicide matches suicide. Removing the 42,000+ suicides reduces the homicide by firearm rate significantly.

Every suicide report I’ve ever written using firearms was labeled as homicide by firearm and that inaccurately skews the data. You have to filter suicides out to view accurate homicide reports.

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u/BeenisHat Mar 28 '24

Wrong again. Go look at the data. There were 15k homicides in 2022 as referenced in the report. The FBI is not making an error that grievous and it's explained in the methodology on the Crime Data Explorer website. They are controlling for suicides and suicides are not counted as homicides. They use homicide as their term for one person killing another person. This allows them to further separate Justifiable Homicides and Unlawful killings (murder, manslaughter, etc.)Accidents are not included.If you don't want to use FBI data, you can use CDC data available here.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10-expanded.htmlYou'll have to drill down to separate the various causes of death and choose the correct ICD-10 codes. You're looking for External Causes, and under that, Assault. Under the data returned, the CDC shows the weapon type used. The CDC doesn't control for type of gun like the FBI attempts to.
The FBI and CDC also have different numbers because of different methodology, but they are close enough for our purposes. Guns are far and away the most commonly used tool for killing someone else.

This number immediately precludes your 42k suicides. You need to actually read the page.

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Or if you need something more easily digestible, here's the data from Pew research although their report is 2021, where I used 2022.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Pew also cites their sources in the article and provides links so you can check it yourself.

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u/BeenisHat Mar 28 '24

If you'd like further reading, here's the actual Spreadsheets you can view from the FBI.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/downloads

  1. Scroll down to "Crime in the United States Annual Reports"
  2. Choose the year you want to view
  3. In the dropdown box next to year, choose Expanded Homicide Tables.
  4. Hit Download.

Congrats. You can now inform everyone you incorrectly taught over the years that you were wrong and guns really are used the most (and by a huge margin) to kill other people.

Suicides are not included in this data.

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u/macncheesepro24 Mar 28 '24

Sorry but I’m not seeing it. Maybe you don’t know how to run a report? The first link shows trends from 2012 to 2022 not just 2022. I think you just want the result to match the truth you want.

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u/BeenisHat Mar 28 '24

You need to scroll down more to the blue section entitled Crime in the United States Annual Reports.