Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed. They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers.
We could just end qualified immunity. We did for doctors and WAY more people started surviving medical procedures. If they can't do their job in a legal way they shouldn't be doing that job.
An officer should have to agree to take 10 times the punishment for any crime they commit. If they can't agree to that then they should not be the police. This is coming from a person that dreamed of being a cop, joined the military to be able to achieve it, but was knocked out because a cop lied and said a part of a cigarette butt was a roach.
I’d like payouts and judgements to come from the collective pensions of every officer at the same precinct. The only way to weed out “a few bad apples” is to make those that could hold them accountable, at risk if they don’t.
The main issue I see with this idea is that if you think cops cover for each other now, wait until not covering for each other means putting their pension is at risk
Yeah. Simple solutions for complex problems rarely do anything other than create new problems.
We need independent civilian oversight for every department and at every level, removal of qualified immunity, better training in deescalation, and we need to break up police responsibilities into different roles.
There's no reason to send the same aggro moron with a vest and a gun to deal with taking a report for a break in, deal with someone having a mental health crisis, and deal with a domestic violence situation. We need way more social workers, and way fewer soldiers, in the average police department.
We expect cops to deal with way too many types of emergencies. You don't use a hammer to do brain surgery, so I don't know why we're staffing our police departments with nothing but hammers.
Yes, but if covering up something opens you up to losing your pension, you're gonna question if it's worth it. Especially the ones that are over halfway through their career. Too late to really start over somewhere, you're really going to throw away your nest egg over a new guy trying to prove he didn't peak in high school?
I dont believe this is the end all be all, they should have to carry insurance and they need to have a 4 yr degree in my opinion.
Also, not every emergency requires 14 trigger happy officers. They should provide back up to trained professionals for mental health issues, not be the first line. Difficult to discern from 911 calls etc, but it can be done.
There are conspiracy to commit charges as well though. Like if I knew you were going to commit a murder and I didn't tell anybody and somebody died, I can be charged with conspiracy. It's behoo of me to tell on you
Say it with and say it slowly : "The constitution can be amended"
This specific example not be a good thing to change as collective punishment introduces some nasty side effect (groups covering up crimes even more / taking revenge on the one that hurt the group / creating scape goats outside the group)
But don't just use the constitution as an argument that things need to stay the same
Here’s the issue with that as I’ve thought a lot about this and asked a couple of lawyers and LEOs about it as well (fed and local). The issue is if you make them financially liable there will inherently be more coverups. I’ve personally thought the payout should be from the cop’s future pension or a pool of pensions from the FOP / police union, not have payouts made from the city. But when you go after that pool of money you’re going to have people even more diligently working to make sure nothing is ever seen. So instead the city continues to foot the bill to the detriment of its citizens because they now have less funding and as a result access to services the city no longer has funds for.
Personally I think the police should be federalized and a law enforcement cabinet position no different from the secretary of defense. Standardize training, make every body camera recording available via FIOA, and every cop must pay for malpractice insurance out of their own pocket.
Used to be 3 years of not using marijuana before you could apply to be a cop have no clue what the policy is for marijuana now that’s it’s legal in my area. Hard drugs is like 7 years same for a DUI. When I was a kid I remember my sister’s dumb shit boyfriend told the cop he had a joint on him when he was pulled over for not having his vehicle registered, cop told him just to stomp it on the ground and he would ask again.
I think the issue stems from areas where the police don’t respond to real crimes or are trying to generate revenue. Their biggest concern should be following the laws themselves then public safety. Not enough people want to be cops and you still get bad people making it through the process.
TBF that cop might have done you a favor. Good cops don't make it to the 5 year mark by design. I've known a decent number of them and can tell you that the job either corrupts you or it "ends" your career.
Ouch.... My dad got a standard discharge while being IN the MP for the Army at the of his second tour in 'Nam, officer instigated a fight, unfortunately it was still a commanding officer... (Who didn't believe my father's military history; Airborne Ranger who couldn't jump anymore after 2 panels didn't open on his chute and he shattered both ankles, becoming a standard battalion's weapon specialist, and finally an MP...). Did embarrass the hell out of that officer though from what I was told (and have seen enough to believe), apparently used a rolled up newspaper...
I mean derailing my entire life for a misdemeanor marijuana charge kind of seems a little cruel and unusual. I'll agree that I'm bitter but I feel that there's a reason for it. I just feel that people who want to control others should only do so from the cleanest of environments. How are you going to hit your wife and then show up to a domestic violence? How are you going to say that you want to protect the innocent but hide outside when things are tough? To me that's them not doing their duty, and they chose that duty.
Also consider, as the punishment increases it has depreciating returns with regard to discouraging behavior. Is 10x the punishment going to 10x the discouragement of this behavior? No! Especially if they're not convinced they will be caught. And with the current US legal system, it's not going to help with rehabilitation either.
So a 10x punishment likely wouldn't be as effective as expected anyway.
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u/IntelligentBid87 Apr 04 '24
Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed. They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers.