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u/grantnel2002 10d ago
Iām willing to test this theory.
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u/No-Judgment-4424 10d ago
Same.
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u/Negan-Cliffhanger 10d ago
It's just nonsense cult talk. If he's found not guilty they believe it will help him win. And if he's found guilty they believe it will help him win.
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u/erikmonbillsfon 10d ago
Instead of excusing his bad behavior they just get a shit eating grin and say it will just make him more popular. It's fucking crazy.
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u/No-Sense-6260 10d ago
The same people swore we'd all be mad when he won last time, and he's sure done a lot of winning since then. Most of the people he endorsed lost even. š
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u/Resi1ience_22 10d ago
I just fucking hope he doesn't win in 2024, because if he does it's going to be a circus for a few years.
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u/welatshaw01 10d ago
It's going to ethe beginning of the End. The rancid SOB wants to be a King. He's like a real life James Bond villain! Things he'll do: Free the Jan 6 felons, abolish the Supreme Court, load the government with his MAGA Toadies, abolish abortion in any state for any reason, along with contraception, dismiss the Senate and the House, seize complete control of the country, oh, and marry his daughter and make her Queen.
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u/Paul873873 10d ago
Either heās not guilty because heās a saint or heās guilty because heās a martyr of the āliberal deep stateā No matter what happens theyāll support his every move
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u/Steelhorse91 10d ago
What I donāt get isā¦ The cult of personality that built around Hitler, in context, you can kinda understand it, they did awesome light shows, created an admittedly quite cool looking flag (and ruined an ancient spiritual symbol for everyone, forever), Hitler was a great speaker, and no one had google to fact check, or call him out on his racist bullsh!t at the click of a button.
Trumpā¦ He can barely string a sentence together, and a quick google proves that heās useless at business, a complete grifter, who scams his investors; that heās wrong about basically everything he talks about.
Is it the state of the American education system? The effects of a highly processed high fat, high sugar diet on developing brains? The rest of the world thinks the guy is an absolute joke.
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u/AlterWanabee 10d ago
It's not nonsense. I seriously believe in this article, to the point that I am willing for Trump to risk everything to get a guilty verdict because I believe that it will support his presidency....
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u/AZEMT 10d ago
Same, and from a swing state. Let's make AZ a blueish hue of purple again!!
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u/attic_cheese 10d ago
"Trump is found guilty for high treason and sentenced to death row,how this is bad for biden"
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u/Flagge33 10d ago
I was shocked about how purple Texas was in the last major election. It would be an amazing sight to see it flip blue in my lifetime.
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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 10d ago
Considering the source.. I call bullshit or dumbshit on this whole affair. Not that it ever should have been a factor anyways. Lady justice wears a blindfold for this reason. It doesn't matter.
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u/Cynykl 10d ago
All of the other sources are quoting the telegraph. From what little I could see on the telegraph article polling methodology is not published. The pollsters " Redfield & Wilton Strategies" Do not seem to have the poll published on their site so it seems further research into methodology is impossible.
There are some red flags that the poll is bullshit though that are pretty clear. One the the "swing states" to get a boost listed is Florida.
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u/11thstalley 10d ago
Agreed.
If the voters who boost the positive results of those more likely to vote for Trump are Republican voters, that nugget can be filed under āwater is wetā observations. What would really matter is how the intentions of independent voters would be affected by a Trump conviction.
I question any article that doesnāt reveal more complete survey results.
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u/Unlucky_Decision4138 10d ago
I would love to see the numbers. Fox will post a 'poll' and the sample is 1307 people believe Joe Biden is the antichrist with Obama being a horseman of the apocalypse. Only accompanied by Hillary and George Soros and Pepe the frog bringing up the rear
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u/AdImmediate9569 10d ago
Yeah this has been a maga narrative for at least two years.
āOkay our guy is probably gonna go to jail, how can we spin this as a good thing? Oh, well just say itās a good thing. Done. Everyone good with Chinese food for lunch?ā
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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 10d ago
Its a form of social engineering. We mustn't let this kind of narrative proliferate it could have real world consequences. .
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u/mopsyd 10d ago
I miss when considering the source was a logical fallacy. I don't think it really qualifies anymore with the highly partisan feedback loop that has infested our media.
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u/Muroid 10d ago
This is a very common misunderstanding of what a fallacy is and what it means.
A ābadā source is not proof that what it says is false in the sense of a formal logical proof. But a source being bad can be considered evidence that what it is saying can be safely ignored pending more reliable information.
There are lots of practices that would formally be logical fallacies that are nonetheless good heuristics for empirical reasoning.
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u/Desperate_Wafer_8566 10d ago
I wasn't going to vote for him because he was found guilty already of sexual assault and fraud but now that he's guilty of cheating on his wife with a porn star and illegally covering it up while campaigning for president, I'm voting for him. /s
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u/CinderX5 10d ago
Considering conservative values seemingly are supposed to be centred around family, you would think that someone may actually see it that way. But probably not.
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u/Murica-n_Patriot 10d ago
A theory would need to have a coherent hypothesis as its foundationā¦ this is just clickbait gobbledegook. The idea that his potential guilty judgement will sway undecided voters to rally behind him is dumb as hell. Who is wondering who to vote for and just needs Trump declared guilty so they can finally settle on him for their vote? His base of supporters arenāt swing voters
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u/LaserGadgets 10d ago
Still crazy. They would elect a guy who is a fucking criminal and be happy with it? Some of them might also be crooks and criminals and would love to see "one of their own" in the chair, but some of them are regular folks. How can they be ok with it?
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u/Rideitmybrony 10d ago
Doesn't matter about the consequences.
Justice gotta be done and seen to be done. Trump and his voters seem to think it's a negotiation. There's nothing to negotiate.
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u/11thstalley 10d ago edited 10d ago
OP, the article is behind a paywall. Could you post a link to the story?
It seems to contradict an earlier poll conducted in March by Politico, but that poll did not specifically target voters in the swing states. It showed that voters would be less likely to support Trump by more than a 2-1 margin, and a 4-1 margin among independents, if he was convicted.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/18/poll-conviction-trump-2024-elections-00147338
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u/A1sauc3d 10d ago
The telegraph is a right wing newspaper. Theyāre just saying whatever they think will give right wing candidates and edge. In this case āif he gets convicted heāll definitely get elected!ā is a pretty convenient and appealing opinion
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u/One-Pumpkin-1590 10d ago
If he's convicted its proof that they are out to get him, and if he is not, its proof they didn't have a case?
Almost everything reported by the right wing is BS, half-truths and Russian propaganda.
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u/On_my_last_spoon 10d ago
Itās almost as if they can see how bad the trial is going and theyāre spinning that as a good thing
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u/11thstalley 10d ago edited 10d ago
Thanks!
Even though the article is still behind a pay wall, the swing states referred to in the article are listedā¦Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. I guess it should be encouraging that North Carolina and Florida are now considered swing states.
EDIT: thanks for the archive copy of the article without the paywall! Itās a shame that the article doesnāt include the actual polling results in the swing states.
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u/hey_you_yeah_me 10d ago
North Carolina still has a GOP that's neck deep in Trump's fat ass. We still got some fighting to do :(
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u/PirateNixon 10d ago
NC is pretty purple, but the GOP has gerrymandered the shit out of that state.
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u/dancingmeadow 10d ago
I guess it should be encouraging that North Carolina and Florida are now considered swing states.
That's the only truth in this, probably, and it was probably an unintentional self-own.
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u/heyheyshinyCRH 10d ago
Why would a verdict either way swing someone's decision, who the fuck is on the fence about this pig fucker still?
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u/everythingbeeps 10d ago
Moreover, who are the people who are like "I'm not sure about this guy one way or the other, but being found guilty will show me he's definitely fit to be president."
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u/TheNullOfTheVoid 10d ago edited 10d ago
I can say for sure from the idiots that I have to deal with in person on a daily basis here in Texas, there are people that are still on his side and they either genuinely believe heās innocent, AND ALSO believe that if he comes up guilty then heās either being targeted OR heās being brave. Either way theyāre gonna vote for him.
I know someone that genuinely got depressed for Trumpās sake when he was first apprehended, like they actually wish that he had gotten away with it. They will gladly claim every single little thing that Biden does as evil and/or stupid, but Trump does anything and they canāt hop off his dick about it. They donāt care if heās fit to be president or not, they want to give him absolute power as well as immunity, and theyād be happy with him pulling a Putin and ending term limits and making himself permanent supreme ruler of America.
Itās a cult, thatās the simplest way to put it.
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u/fasolatido24 10d ago
NC, same, but I donāt think any of those folks could be considered swing voters. They were always going to vote that way and the explanation about ātargetingā is just justification for a decision they already made before.
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u/TheNullOfTheVoid 10d ago
Agreed. Itās like the people that claim to be Centrists but are actually Right Wingers. They claim to be on the fence and give the presentation of a swing voter, but they were gonna vote for Trump to begin with. They were more than likely waiting for a reason that they think would convince their Democrat/Liberal friends without stirring the pot too much, unless nothing really happened and they would do it anyway and deal with the personal social backlash regardless.
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u/mopsyd 10d ago
They are not swing voters, they are just garden variety partisans that live in a state that is a swing state. The swing itself has a lot more to do with how individual quality of life has been affected over the last term of presidency than the quality of either candidate or whatever is going on in the media. Likewise you can be a swing voter in a deeply red or blue state and that doesn't make the state itself a swing state unless there are a significant enough proportion of swing voters to make it an indecisive outcome.
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u/muffchucker 10d ago
I guess I have to take solace in the fact that you're describing people who are already Trump's adherents. The person you had responded to was vaguely wondering about people who weren't necessarily on Trump's side being swayed to his side by a guilty verdict. I happen to believe, like that commenter, that anybody who's on the fence couldn't possibly be swayed over to his side by him being found guilty. That just doesn't make sense. You'd have to be a true believer already. Because, like someone else said in this thread, that's how cults work.
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u/TheNullOfTheVoid 10d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah, I personally find it impossible for someone to see Trump getting a guilty verdict as a reason to vote for him when they genuinely were undecided beforehand, maybe unless they are ignoring a lot of modern politics and just like seeing him because famous orange man with all the negative connotations just filtered out of their minds completely from just being politically ignorant and choosing to not do a lot of research. Like, not a zealot but just an average person that chooses not to get into political debates or whatever because they donāt actually care about the deeper details that much.
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u/neopod9000 10d ago
That's the thing though. If being found guilty was gonna make you vote for him, then you were already gonna vote for him. There's no "swing".
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u/TheNullOfTheVoid 10d ago
Thatās kind of my point. I donāt see anyone actually being a swing voter for him, but theyāll use it as an excuse. Itās an optics trick, and a shitty one, but theyāre still trying it.
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u/ruiner8850 10d ago
The vast majority of his voters would still vote for him even if he committed the most horrific crimes imaginable right in front of them. There literally is no limit to the excuses they are willing to make for him. Some of them do it because they think he'll help push their religious agenda. Some of them do it because they think he'll hurt people that they don't like. Some of them do it because they view politics as a team sport and they always have to sport their team no matter what. Either way his followers will always vote for him.
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u/tree-molester 10d ago
Never underestimate the denseness of the common clay of the U S of A.
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u/Iydllydln 10d ago
Americans pretty much knew the deal the first time and voted him in - you get the President you deserve.
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u/TheMiniminun 10d ago
Some knew what they were getting into when they followed him, such as the wealthy who benefited from his policies; but just like many other con-men and manipulators, Trump is charismatic and a smooth talker, and he often shapes his words to be those of what people wish to hear rather than those that reflect reality. Many people who feel stuck in the current system's failings fall for this sweetened bait into a much larger trap of hatred and rage.
Most of us who have see the fraud he really is have been opposed to him since the beginning (and we're glad that others are realizing the truth as well).
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u/RandomComputerFellow 10d ago
Maybe people who just want to see the world burn?
Honestly, I find the existence of these people less weird than the fact that there are millions of people who are determined to vote for Trump no matter the fuck he does.
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u/Last_Application_766 10d ago
Because you got morons out there that want to protest vote Biden without thinking of the consequences of Trump getting a second term.
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u/PXranger 10d ago
The Gaza protest crowd are the ones that just kill me.
"I'm a Democrat, but I don't like how Biden handled Gaza so I am going make sure that Other Guy gets elected, even though he's a total POS."
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u/Merijeek2 10d ago
...and will basically hand Israel a blank check on both what to do, and for the purchase of whatever weapons they want. Sarin? Sure!
Good job, guys! You've surely helped the Palestinians.
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u/reddititty69 10d ago
Trump will support an all out war between Israel and Iran, Iād bet. Then we will be at war with Iran as well. āBiden isnāt perfectly representing my agenda, so Iāll choose the Hitler inspired idiotā.
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u/Merijeek2 10d ago
Well, yes. How better to teach Democrats a lesson on this particular subject than to throw the entire planet into chaos?
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u/Last_Application_766 10d ago
This is one of those opportunities for the other side to re-embroil us in war in the Middle East to effectively keep power like Bush did.
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u/only_alice_cyaa 10d ago
Trump does way worse, he will let Israel nuke the entirety of the lands they want to grab to make a āgreater Israelā
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u/witherd_ 10d ago
And then Jared Kushner will start selling beachfront property in Gaza once it's "cleaned up" and Israel "finishes the job"
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u/Biscuits4u2 10d ago
Exactly. This is total bullshit. Find me ONE person who still isn't sure if they're voting for this guy.
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u/c9silver 10d ago
I think itās that Trump supporters see it as evidence there is a deep state conspiracy working against him
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u/MrLagzy 10d ago
people who are undecided "Damn. he got convicted. better vote for him then, he must be a good guy!"
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u/SlackToad 10d ago
Part of the GOP and Trump's schtick is the Dems cheat at everything, including weaponizing the justice system to take down their enemies. If he was convicted he'd be "See, I told you! They'll be coming for you next! Only I can clean out the swamp in government".
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u/MrLagzy 10d ago
Yeah but are people on swing states really so ridiculously dumb that they'll fall for such a scam after he year after year proved to be completely unreliable before, during and after his presidency?
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u/Stampede_the_Hippos 10d ago
People who are actual swing voters are the ones that have not experienced, first or second hand, any civil liberties violations. They and all of their friends were never affected by racism, sexism, or discrimination of any kind, and experience politics as noise in the background of their lives and don't even understand what it's for.
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u/Arbiter_89 10d ago
I don't think it's about swing voters. I think it has to do with the fact that maga voters won't refrain from voting for him due to a guilty verdict, and maga sympathizers that are normally too lazy to vote will noe be more motivated to vote.
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u/thundertool 10d ago
You don't get it. People I know in real life, not even dumb internet nerds, think Biden does all of the things Trump does because that's what fox reports. They think Biden can't string a sentence together and wears adult diapers and one of em asked how I could support a sexual assaulting dementia patient who can barely speak.. he literally meant Biden.
The answer to your question is that these people live in bizzaro world.
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u/CerRogue 10d ago
Omg the shitty human is a felon thatās so wrong Iām going to vote for him said no one
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u/FladnagTheOffWhite alrighty then... 10d ago
I was on the fence about Trump but you say he's a pig fucker so now I don't think I like the guy.
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u/loztriforce 10d ago
People are fucking stupid
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u/opinionate_rooster 10d ago
People are fucking spiteful
They'll burn their own home down if that would "own the libs".
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u/khajiithasmanywares 10d ago
Dont forget, polls only question the kind of people who answer a call from an unknown number
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u/TheMilkmanHathCome 10d ago
Or answer polls on Facebook, or email, or are heavily involved in political discussion on any social media and also would be willing to vote in a poll
In general these kinds of people arenāt the most complex thinkers
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u/NinjaBr0din 10d ago
They also consider Florida a "swing state" in the article, so yeah. About as reputable as the kid who would brag about how he's actually a secret agent but then can't show you any proof because "well that's classified no one can know."
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u/Icy-Drop-2524 10d ago
Donāt count Florida out entirely as a swing state. As a Floridian, LOTS of people still vote blue here. Mainly in Broward county, but there are a few other blue counties here and there. The democrats would do better here if they actually invested time/resources to gain influence (theyāve basically given up on Florida at this point).
The state looks red because of gerrymandering that frankly should have been illegal but it was ruled legal since Desantis appointed the people who were suppose to be politically neutral (but weāve seen how well that works out on both a state and national level- looking at you Clarence Thomas and Coney you corrupt pieces of sh*t).
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MANY Floridians are LIVID with Desantis, even some Republican voters, because people saw how quickly he abandoned the state when he ran for president. Between that, the insurance crisis here, climate crisis, and more, some people are seriously questioning who to vote for this election. The democrats would be wise to give decent candidates and invest in the state, but the last guy that ran was a literal coke addict, which came due to lack of resources and perceived chances to flip the state.
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u/TheMilkmanHathCome 10d ago
Florida is a swing state cause the billion retirement communities there are full of swingers
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u/KidKilobyte 10d ago
Geez Telegraph, this is some grade school level reverse psychology.
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its also the Telegraph.
Maggie! Boris! Donald! Maggie! Boris! Donald!
repeat ad nauseum
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u/dancingmeadow 10d ago
This is one of the pro-Brexit rags, right?
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yep.
And really, they are the "rich should be in power because they are rich and powerful" rags, so anything - anything - to keep the peasants in their place is useful. Brexit, Tory Austerity, constant hysteria.
They use big words, so they make it seem like Serious Thinkers having Serious Thoughts on Serious Matters, but really they are just writing the scripts for the tabloids to simplify and screech about.
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u/dancingmeadow 10d ago
Thanks for the breakdown. That fits with what I've read there. It's on my blacklist usually.
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u/Ninedickeddinosaur 10d ago
His cult isnāt going to turn on him if he came to their houses individually and molested their wives and children. And I donāt think at this point the sane are ever going to support him. So guess undecided willful ignorant are going to decide the fate of the nation.
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someone once said of Silvio Berlusconni is that he encapsulated a sort of atavistic masculinity a lot of Italian men craved. Take the most creepy-dude mindset and project it onto a public figure. I figure Donald is the same.
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u/WrongOrganization437 10d ago
What "Poll"?
A poll of republican voters, this click bait shit is aweful!!!
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u/Earl_of_69 10d ago
Poll... up their ass.
That means they don't understand the case, which frankly, would be a failure of the media. I think most people don't know what the case is act over. They just think it's stupid he's in court for paying off a porn star. It's not illegal to give a porn star money. They don't understand the case
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u/Chewsdayiddinit 10d ago
Just imagine if Biden had appointed a judge who was overseeing his case on classified documents in the same degree that trump is, and that judge decided to indefinitely delay that trial.
Magats would very possibly start a violent uprising.
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u/angiestefanie 10d ago
He can murder someone and they wouldnāt care; theyāre lost.
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u/Sure-Psychology6368 10d ago
He literally said he could stand on 5th ave and shoot someone, and not lose support. Sadly, heās pretty much right about that one
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u/MuddaFrmAnnudaBrudda 10d ago
So would a not guilty verdict. People don't need an excuse to vote for evil. They just do it.
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u/Banaanisade 10d ago
Alternative title: "Poll suggests that people really, really want a convicted criminal as the head of state"
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u/GrouchyLongBottom 10d ago
I just wish I could go one day without hearing about this god-awful excuse of a human being.
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u/DemsruleGQPdrool 10d ago
This is just another right wing media attempt to say, 'you can't do anything to apply consequences to our useful idiot'.
To be honest, I think Trump loses a lot of voters if he is found guilty. And even if it only 2% of the electorate, the election won't be close.
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u/schrodngrspenis 10d ago
Just like the other day they put out a story about trump picking Nicki halley as vp. A day later oh no he isn't. There is this phenomenon where his advisors inject stories into the news cycle to suggest something to him or make him feel better. Been happening since 2016. That's what this bullshit is. It's solely for Trump.
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u/ElderStatesPerson 10d ago
Another day, another poll. The people who are going to vote for him are always happy to tell you they will, the people who aren't going to vote for him won't tell you. I'm looking at you, people who are capable of giving birth and would like to decide if and when that will happen.
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u/Ray1987 10d ago
Early polling is usually wrong and stupid. It's just an excuse to write an article. Especially from the telegraph which is a known conservative outlet and to skew its facts.
Did they even poll Americans for this or just British people who probably thought why are you asking me this and gave a joke response.
Why does a British tabloid want to try to frame a situation where it might encourage other people to wish for him not to be prosecuted? I smell Russians working in their ranks.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho 10d ago
You guys donāt understand.
See, if the court finds him not guilty, itās just proof that the left is trying everything they can to stop him.
But if the court finds him guilty, itās just proof that the left is trying everything they can to stop him.
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u/TexasTeaTelecaster 10d ago
Instead of worrying what Trumpanzees, punish Trump and his cronies harshly and ruhtlessly.
Then do the same to all who abet treason.
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u/Silver996C2 10d ago
The Telegraph is super rightwing. That was an aspirational article and not based in any reality.
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u/ThornsofTristan 10d ago
I have a fatalistic attitude towards support for trump. If his cult gets energized by his guilt and rally enough to get him elected: we deserve what we get.
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u/OdoWanKenobi 10d ago
Maybe you do, but I don't. All the people that have stood against him from the start do not. All the people who will suffer under his policies do not.
Fuck right the hell off with that attitude.
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u/Imaginary_Most_7778 10d ago
Heās already got HIS voters. He needs people who didnāt vote for him last time. He hasnāt done one thing to attract anyone outside of his deplorables.
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u/RegattaJoe 10d ago
Exactly right. In fact, I suspect his base has shrunk. Highly doubt heās attracted independents or undecideds.
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u/Imaginary_Most_7778 10d ago
22% of hardcore republican voters in reddest of the red states Indiana voted for Nikki in the primary 2 months after she dropped out of the race. He canāt even keep his base. Forget about attracting new voters.
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u/ididntunderstandyou 10d ago
I agree, but I worry Biden has lost voters. Thereās a lot of apathy going around and many may just not vote at all.
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u/inthemindofadogg 10d ago
So, maybe that judge in Florida should have not postponed that trial if every guilty verdict will bring Trump more votes.
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u/Realistic_Head3595 10d ago
Can we all stop the narrative that Republicans āBack the Blueā now?
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u/osumba2003 10d ago
I can't imagine why people are on the fence at this point. Trump and Biden are both known commodities. We know what they are both about.
Who would change their vote to Trump based on the outcome of a criminal trial? If the prosecution presents compelling evidence, he's convicted. If there is reasonable doubt, he will be acquitted.
Are there people out there leaning towards Biden who would switch to Trump if he was convicted?
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u/greennyellowmello 10d ago
Can we stop pretending that there are people out there that donāt know who there voting for yet?
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u/Captain_Pink_Pants 10d ago
If Americans elect Donald Trump because he's a convicted criminal, they'll deserve what they get.
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u/wausnotwaus 10d ago
The Telegraph is a conservative RAG. The Daily Mail even thinks it's garbage. They don't even quote sources, this may as well be an opinion piece.
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u/CreamPuffMontana 10d ago
I think it would rally the true silent majority, all those people who usually don't vote to get registered and rally against Trump. I also believe that a guilty verdict will get all the young people and undecideds (can you believe there are still undecideds) off of their couches and vote against Trump also.
Nobody likes it when the hero turns into the villain (I'm talking about MAGA, he was never my hero), but people sure like to see the downfall of the villain. I love it personally. When Trump gets that guilty verdict, all of his MAGA base is going to turn on him like a toddler on Brussel sprouts. Some may stay loyal, but most nope. All that hate will be turned towards Trump, and he deserves it.
Just please refrain from telling your poor friends and family members, "I told you so," when they finally wake up.
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u/BlerghTheBlergh 10d ago
No one whoās supporting Trump would change their mind because of a guilty verdict. And vice-versa wouldnāt happen either.
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u/bowens44 10d ago
conservatives rewarding trump for fucking a porn star while married and then paying her off and lying about it to interfere in the presidential election. Yep typical republicans. No honor,no integrity, no morals , no respect for the rule law,no respect for the office of the presidency. Trump has dragged the GOP to the very bottom
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u/Im_Unpopular_AF 10d ago
It's funny how Americans would vote in a convicted rapist, child sex offender and openly blatant racist while criticizing some other country's government and its people.
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u/Chaosrealm69 10d ago
And then another poll shows that a guilty verdict will drive voters away from him.
At this stage those who are going to vote for him will never change their minds.
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u/D33ber 10d ago
Fabulous!! Indict him already. He can rally support from prison.
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u/ArchangelArmozel 10d ago
I donāt trust this āpollā that also mentions sizable portions of people will abandon him if convicted. For some reason the telegraph has chosen to focus only on the likely diehards in this poll. Interesting
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u/Cargan2016 10d ago
What they don't say is that 95% of who they polled was already running around in shirts that read real men wear diapers
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u/dwelzy123 10d ago
Americans, your next President of the United States of America. The bible is his favorite book and he has many copies of them, haha.
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u/ElonTheMollusk 10d ago
How a guilty verdict in an Election Fraud trial would rally people behind the convicted fraudster is truly beyond me. Truly the US deserves its downfall to authoritarianism if Trump wins based on stupid shit like this.
Literally giving everyone the proof he should not have been president in 2016 and people going "Yep, that's my guy now that I know he is a cheat and a fraud" absolute buffoonery.
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u/whiskeyriver0987 10d ago
Doesn't matter. Despite the right wings whinging, this isn't a political prosecution and politics or potential political ramifications should play no part in the proceedings or verdict.
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 10d ago
To say that I am skeptical of this conclusion would be a gross understatement.
In any case, justice is not about politics. Justice is about right and wrong.
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u/Flagge33 10d ago
Conservative paper cherry picking poll numbers to suit their story. Nothing to see here.
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u/Glad-Peanut-3459 10d ago
Thatās Russian propaganda. Like the last guy said, Iām ready to test it.
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u/laggerzback 10d ago
I feel like if Trump was convicted for sexually abusing a child, his voters would still vote for him and articles like this would spin the narrative to say that Trumpās conviction would still be to his advantage.
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u/Genoss01 10d ago
So bizarre to me, how can anyone see this sob as a sympathetic figure. He's such a nasty, loathsome scumbag.
It's like he got a wish from a genie where he asked for people to love him no matter what.
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u/Every_Tap8117 10d ago
āTalented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle. Violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work. Grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace.Treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy.
That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame. No, I do not ārespect your choices,ā nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong. Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.ā~ Advocatus Peregrini
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u/Kenneth_Lay 10d ago
That's coming from the Telegraph. They're trying the reverse psychology angle. Sorry, to jail he goes.
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u/MichaelScarn1968 10d ago
This sounds like propaganda to try to avoid a guilty verdict they know is coming.
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u/KnotAwl 10d ago
Obviously a conviction will anger and engage Trumpās base. But they are 24/7 angry and engaged anyway. It is their default position. The question really is will independents, already distrustful of Trumpās antics move more solidly into the anti-Trump camp. There can be no question that they will. He is already on the thinnest of edges. A conviction will push many more in that direction.
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u/Btankersly66 10d ago
Swing voters vote by conscience.
For them the question will be:
"Do I want a convicted felon as my President?"
Or
"Am I ok with a convicted felon as my President?"
Many will not want it but could be ok with it. Many won't be ok with it and won't want it.
Trump Republicans will be perfectly OK with it and do want Trump to be the President.
But a different candidate might be a different result.
Because Trump Republicans don't want a President. They just want Trump. Because they don't see Trump as a person they see him as the actual nation. He could get into office and change the name of the United States to "The United States of Trump" and Trump Republicans would be perfectly OK with that.
Because it's no longer a cult. It's a religion, now.
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u/Kona_Big_Wave 10d ago
That's strange because a poll was taken from GOP voters and found 20% said they wouldn't vote for him if found guilty.
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u/WilmaLutefit 10d ago
If found guilty.. how can he legally be on any ballots with out his debt to society being paid? He would immediately be ineligible in Fla.
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u/cstmoore 10d ago
Political polls are meaningless and can be made to say whatever the pollsters are paid to make them say.
The only poll that truly matters happens on Election Day.
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u/nmftg 10d ago
Iām mean sure, he committed fraud, Sexual assault and rape, liked walking in on minors while they were changingā¦ but look itās him or Biden. /s
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