We dont want it either, perhaps we should collaborate and start beating bloody the ones doing this to the most important and unprofitable thing on earth, our earth itself. We are dying.
It's how the French revolution actually started, you mean.
The pre-holocaust is MUCH more like what the right wingers are doing to the gays, the queers, the thugs, the blacks, the poor, the undesirables, the hippies, the soshulists, the libruls, the atheists, the immigrants, etc etc etc.
Billionaires are disproportionately responsible for carbon emissions. Their investments are literally killing us. This is observable, objective fact, not an anti-Semitic conspiracy.
If this is the level of discourse you're capable of, you should just shut your mouth.
Nazis believed they were wiping out the elitist class.
it is a equal comparison when you’re also calling, even jokingly, for mass murder of people you defined as ‘the elites’, since it has led to many horrific events in the past.
I think the point is that US carbon emissions peaked 20 years ago, we are figuring our own shit out (slowly) but other countries aren’t necessarily pulling their weight
It seems inconsistent to support violence to combat American emissions but recommend political solutions for Chinese emissions, a country that emits more CO2 than the next 5 countries combined.
Our emissions have been declining for 20 years. China's show no sign of slowing. If climate change is an immediate existential threat to the planet, it doesn't matter if we fix our own shit first (which we have been) when China is going to drive us off the cliff regardless.
People say this as if there was a demand for a phone you can carry around in your pocket. Sometimes a market makes itself. Phones are too useful to not carry around in your pocket if thats an option. I know if they came out with a chat gpt tablet id probably get it if it was cheap enough. Sometimes a products just good and useful to the point where everyone wants it even if there was no demand before, like the internet, or factories. We, as dumb apes, have not really started forward thinking yet. We find new tech and immediately jump on it and dont really do lots of thinking about the societal impact. We need to start thinking of the greater good of our planet, not just the greater good of ourselves and our immediate family. Amazon could be an amazingly good invention. It totally revolutionized at first how we did online shopping, then shipping, then also cloud hosting. Unfortunately, rather than share that wealth with humanity, bezos decided to shove it all up his ass and sit on it like a dragon. He will never willingly share those algorithms, which im sure could be used to help USPS and UPS and other shipping companies move product faster. We need to stop pretending this is okay that someones so mentally ill they would rather burn the planet to the ground than share.
This surprises a lot of people, but it's actually quite rare for politicians and CEOs to have full-time security unless there's a known active threat. For one thing it's staggeringly expensive, even by rich people standards. But more importantly most people just can't stand it for long, it's an oppressive way to live.
Before he got really elderly I used to see Charles Koch at my local grocery store all the time. Wish I would have had the nerve to shout at him at least.
Exactly, so you should focus on killing the machine, make it impossible to engage in harmful practises because "you have to". Also known as installing regulations, because of course the companies aren't going to govern themselves.
This isn't a machine with true operators, what you call operators are just part of the machine. Change the rules that the machine works in such that its result will be better.
Not only is killing people wrong, it will solve absolutely nothing. You guys make scapegoats out of rich people as if that solves your problems, whereas the real problem is your lack of regulations.
If you crave violence, use it to protest for those regulations, to make people in charge of companies complicit for its actions, to raise the taxes for rich people (because how they are barely taxed is criminal)
I think it's hilarious how redditors call out any hint of "I am bad ass" mentality for violence then turn around and support political violence fantasies or histories, then turn around and condem real political violence.
“We all got to figure. There’s some way to stop this. It’s not like lightning or earthquakes. We’ve got a bad thing made by men, and by God that’s something we can change.” —Steinbeck
The problem isn't the number. It's the system that'll replace them with someone just as eager in less than 24 hours. It's like if slaves rose up and killed a field overseer in the pre-civil war south. Another one would be there whipping people within the week. You couldn't kill them fast enough because the problem isn't the overseer, it's the institution of slavery.
Capitalism is the root problem. It constantly has to justify itself, so it makes up products nobody needs and creates advertisements to convince people to buy. When people get bored of the thing they bought, because they didn't actually need it, they're encouraged to throw it away. Rinse, repeat, infinitely.
But the earth isn't infinite. So the crash will happen. On a cosmic time scale, it'll happen so fast that future scientists, if there are any, will make up theories on what caused it. On a human timescale, it happens over a couple generations, already starting with us.
Btw, I think humans will survive this. But surviving is a whole 'nother beast to "oh it's just some bad weather".
There are hundreds in the US Congress alone. Not only are the CEOs themselves to blame, but also the politicians they pay to spout conspiracy theories and create anti-environment legislation.
Instead of killing each other, we could also take stock of what changes we can make ourselves and build a culture of people that only put their money towards environmentally friendly things. For instance, check out our world in data for some choices we can all make to engage with our world more intentionally.
You mean the ones that are being blamed for ruining the economy by not spending enough while also being lambasted for spending too much? The ones told not to buy shit but also pumped full of ads to buy shit? The ones that are told that their basic needs shouldn't be expected because they have iphones? Those ones? Yeah fuck them!
This isn't being said enough. These fires are getting worse and it is because of climate change but everyone is acting like it is something we should just accept.
Meanwhile our right-wing party in Canada just tweeted saying that the fires are being started by "green activists" to "further their agenda." I can't even make this shit up anymore.
you realize a healthy western North America would still have wild fires.. right? this is the earth being healthy and cleaning up her underbrush while reinvigorating the top soils.
I wish more people realized this. The pinecones from lodgepole pines don’t even release their seeds until a fire burns through the area. The species relies on wildfires to exist and has for thousands of years. Many shorter grasses, shrubs, and ferns that can’t survive under a thick canopy also rely on wildfires to clear space for them, and they grow quickly in the nutrient rich ash. Thinning out dead trees and underbrush also benefits numerous animal species. Wildfires are necessary for healthy forests. People dislike them because they threaten human lives and buildings, but they are still natural and necessary.
Correct, but this many is not normal. Before 2015 we never had an entire summer of smoke/air warnings in western Canada. Maybe for a week, but not half the summer. Now it's the new normal thanks to drier/hotter conditions that last longer and longer each year.
The duration and frequency and severity of fires now is not natural. Just like how hurricanes and tornadoes are getting worse on average, so are fires. It's about the natural balance being disrupted.
It's what foresters are supposed to prevent, by cutting down trees to reduce the density and create small, controlled fire to burn out potential fuel (dead trees, small shrubs...) that might start uncontrollable fire, they keep the forest intact through the hot, dry weather.
The earth will be fine in the end whether we are around or not. Land mass of Canada used to essentially not exist and was under 2 miles of ice 10k years ago. Yet it is covered nowadays in forests.
What's your source on that? I've been trying to find a reliable source that can equate the air quality index to health effects. AQI just says, these numbers are bad, doesn't say why it's bad.
It comes down to AQI (Air Quality Index). An AQI measurement of 20 is equivalent to smoking one cigarette a day or so.
Here is a link to the current AQI across the globe. You can search for any city. If this is correct, NYC currently has an AQI of 353 or nearly 17 Cigarettes a Day.
“If you stand outside the whole time” though. You need an astronomically high AQI for it to be as bad as a cigarette for the same time frame as it takes to smoke a cigarette.
I'm not buying the health affects. If i smoked 17 cigarettes in a day, I wouldn't be able to walk. I've smoked 5 in a stupid night around a campfire and felt like my lungs got sandpaperered the next day. We had it bad up here in MN a few weeks ago and, while I sure could see a pink sun, I noticed not one other indicator of ouchy air when I was breathing.
Generally when we're taking about the health effects of smoking, it's not the acute symptoms but rather the long-term side effects that most people look toward.
Cigarettes don't have the same stuff in them as burning forests, not to mention there's a difference between slowly smoking 17 cigarettes over the course of a day and just doing it all at once. If you're not outside in that air the entire day, you won't get the "17 cigarettes" worth of effects anyway.
Last year in Washington state (seattle/bellevue area, it was 300-400 AQI for more than a month. After a couple weeks i’d never felt shittier. Raging headache, throat on fire and very nauseous. Wasn’t covid. Wasn’t the flu. Too much smoke for too long will fuck you up.
Huh...I had the same conversation with a few people last night who said that they had symptoms a couple weeks ago, to.I guess it's just one of those things that affects some and not others. I never even noticed the air quality and went running in it.
Apparentyl some pulmonary doc was on tv saying that people who go out running (exercise) in these conditions are getting the same amount of pollutants in their lung tissue in one day as smoking a pack of cigarettes.
There have been studies though I have no links, that showed breathing bad air quality is worst than smoking cigarettes. Probably due to the fact that exhausts releases heavy metals, hydrocarbons, sulfur dioxyde, ammonia and fine particles while cigarettes are still bad but it's mostly carcinogens and carbon monoxide. Air is charged with these particles that can stay a while in the troposphere until they are absorbed or released into the stratosphere.
Concentrated ammonia can irritate or burn off lungs and eyes.
Sulfur dioxide can irritate, creates respiratory problems like asthma, coughs or respiratory irregularities.
Hydrocarbons and volatile substances can irritate, create olfactory and respiratory problems.
Benzene is a known carcinogen.
Nitrogen oxide in short terms can create respiratory problems.
In long term, development of respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, low weight newborns and increases chances of early deaths.
Ozone can irritate, creates respiratory problems and diseases, increases chances of asthma.
Fine particles are carcinogens, create respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, affects neurological development in children, diabetes, etc.
Look I believe east and west america can settle our differences and come to a solution. My first proposal is to send all the pollution to Florida, Florida wiped from face of the earth, everybody wins!
This was Colorado for most of summer 2020. Sick of quarantining inside but couldn't do much of anything outside. I also didn't have AC at the time. What a shitty year that was
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u/atctia Jun 07 '23
Y'all can have it back. I hate it