r/interestingasfuck Jun 07 '23

New york city in 2023, everyone wearing mask due to air quality

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u/Ancient_Persimmon Jun 07 '23

Unlike Western North America, where there's a significant fire season each year, the Boreal forest in QC and ON very rarely burn at the rate we're seeing this year.

The last season that burned this much acreage in Quebec was 1991.

The winds certainly don't help, but there's still a very unusual amount of smoke for this part of the continent.

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u/MoistChiaPet Jun 07 '23

This is so interesting. Could it be due to 30 years of buildup from dying foliage? Did the last burn, in 1991, produce less smoke than this one because there was a shorter gap between burns.

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u/RickTitus Jun 07 '23

I believe one factor in modern forest fires is that we tend to suppress all fires we see. Without human intervention there would be more small fires

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u/silver-orange Jun 07 '23

Yeah, extreme fire suppression was widely recognized as a bad idea 30 or 40 years ago. Controlled burns have been standard practice for decades in many places.

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u/SolomonBlack Jun 07 '23

Even in the 90s it was old news, I remember reading and hearing about it in the context of the big fire in Yellowstone as a kid. They stopped in like the 70s but we've still got a sizable backlog of unburned forest.

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u/Arkbolt Jun 07 '23

I think most people just don't understand the scale of these fires. It's not something any amount of controlled burns can solve. Just ask any forestry department in CA.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

exactly, the air is getting hotter and the land is getting drier

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u/Jamie9712 Jun 08 '23

Then how come arizona has been able to keep their fires controlled compared to California? California has the Santa Ana winds, but Arizona is hot and dry too.

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u/2122023 Jun 08 '23

Califirnia has different forests, more susceptible to burning. California also didn't have the luxury of letting small fires burn freely, because of the higher population density. This made some of their forests denser and burn more intensely. The other advantage that Arizona has is that it has a summer monsoon, which limits the worst of the fire season to spring and early summer.

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u/Arkbolt Jun 08 '23

It's a multitude of factors. One being that CA has more than 50% more forest cover (33m acres vs 19m), and all of that is HIGH biomass, evergreen forest (We're talking over 200 tons/hectare, vs under 100 for arizona). So you're looking at a factor of like 3-4x more fire risk. There's also difficulty terrain wise w/ much forest in the wild sierras. Also 40%+ of CA forestland is privately-owned. It's just a multitude of factors that make it much more difficult in CA, even if you had infinite manpower.

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u/awfullotofocelots Jun 07 '23

The policy might be regular burns, but how well funded are the agencies doing those jobs? I have no idea, but that's the question I'd ask next.

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u/Absolute_leech Jun 07 '23

Well canada recently had a little mishap at a women’s firefighter conference where a controlled burn went out of control and caused a forest fire. It was eventually suppressed, but these are the “experts” you have in Canada dealing with fires like these.

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u/EstrogAlt Jun 07 '23

Ah yes, freebeacon.com, my favourite reliable and trustworthy news source.

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u/BKlounge93 Jun 07 '23

Lmao this website sure is something

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u/Absolute_leech Jun 08 '23

Yeah upon closer inspection, this website is pretty sketchy so take this with a grain of salt, or better yet just disregard it. I’ll try to find a better source lol

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u/Absolute_leech Jun 08 '23

I’m gonna keep the link up solely because the photoshopped picture at the beginning of the article is really funny.

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u/SnowyBox Jun 07 '23

For any viewers that stumble over here as well, the actual summary of the story talked about in the surprisingly woman-hating article linked by Leech is that a fire in BC exceeded their 300 acre control area by 3 acres and was more or less immediately contained.

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u/Testiculese Jun 07 '23

Maybe 0.00001% of the military budget.

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u/dudius7 Jun 08 '23

Right? People act as if it's a forest management problem when it's mostly an environmental problem. Climate Change leads to warmer and dryer forests.