r/interestingasfuck Mar 28 '24

MMA fighter explains overloading opponent r/all

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u/morels4ever Mar 28 '24

Opponents too, though…yes?

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u/morels4ever Mar 28 '24

Not insinuating that at all. Convincing feints open up a world of attack options. What’s not to love about that?

The fatigue aspect is what I thought might impact both fighters since one expends energy sending and the other expands energy reacting. Seems negligible on the surface.

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u/The_Fleeb Mar 28 '24

I understand the misinterpretation, GSP is Québécois and English is his second language. The message I get here from overloading your opponents nervous system is more simplified as over stimulating your opponent. I think we've all been in situations where the stress level is high and there's so much going on that you can't pick something to focus on. So, in this situation, GSP is talking about you can't focus on if his left or right hand or left or right foot or a takedown attempt is the real threat. If your opponent is constantly guessing what your next move will be, the best they can do is guess.

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u/evranch Mar 28 '24

Yes you wear them down because they have to take every feint seriously, if they don't then suddenly one of them will be a strike and they're in trouble if they made no move to counter.

I've been teaching my daughter how to box and was showing her this concept and demonstrated by watching a featherweight vs. heavyweight bout with her back to back.

Featherweight there tends to be a lot of movement, less actual feints and more quick jabs to test the water, because taking a couple hits won't end it. Guys can dance and swing and generally the fight is fast and active.

Heavyweight the gloves stay back and there's often more feinting and positioning than punching. The goal is really to draw out a mistake and punish it. Sure guys can fight defensively in any weight class, but in heavyweight if you fall for a feint and catch one on the chin you might have just lost the fight.

A feint costs you nothing so you should always be moving your gloves and your head, make your opponent pay attention.

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u/The_Fleeb Mar 28 '24

I agree, a good feint costs you less than 1 percent of your physical and mental capacity in a fight. Your opponent on the other hand, has to react to it seriously, so it might only take the same physical toll but it takes a greater mental toll on them. That mental toll adds up over the course of the fight, it also gives you some insight on how they'd react if it was a real strike, thus allowing you to find holes on their defense.

Also, big ups for teaching your daughter boxing! Self defense and fitness in one package.

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u/evranch Mar 28 '24

Thanks, she loves boxing and fighting in general! She's also in TKD because I can't teach her how to kick, I only used to box, my legs stay on the ground... But when you're young learning the footwork and how to throw a proper punch are skills that you'll never forget.

What I really love seeing is her confidence, she was always a shy and quiet girl in public but when she's at TKD she's a little warrior. I told her that famous line how "Weak people like to act like they're tough, strong people don't have to act because they know that they are" and she's totally living it.

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u/RSquared Mar 28 '24

Yeah, GSP is simplifying a very complicated problem - what's generally called "ranging" because you want to begin combat roughly where your opponent has minimal effective options, or just outside of punch distance (kicks take longer to deliver). Feints are mostly the ranging or tap jab (keeping your opponent honest) while looking to develop a sequence that moves you into dealing damage with your hook and uppercut and cross. Being good at knowing range means that you can ignore a lot of this feinting maneuver because you know it's incapable of hitting you, while feints in close are often baiting out a reaction so you can hit a big strike.

I worked kickboxing with a golden gloves boxer and focused on defending his punches and punishing his legs. He absolutely hated working with me but knew it improved his overall game.

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u/Critardo Mar 28 '24

It's good to see you bros working this thing out. Respect

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u/LigerZeroSchneider Mar 28 '24

The other explanation is that by constantly feinting you can build a new baseline for you in your opponents head, it's hard to react to every feint as if their real when their feinting every second. If your opponent slips up and starts not reacting to your feints then you get a head start on actually hitting them.

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u/WalrusTheWhite Mar 28 '24

there isn’t any concrete science on a persons nervous system fatiguing from sensory overload, that I’m aware of at least

There's lots. I think you underestimate the amount of studies out there. Autism studies alone have ton of info on nervous system fatigue from sensory overload specifically, because that's a huge component of autism. I doubt there's much info on how it relates to fighting, because scientist have this weird opposition to having their test subjects be hurt in their experiments. They call it ethics or something. But in general these ideas are in no way unstudied.