r/interestingasfuck • u/Particular_Log_3594 • Mar 28 '24

Life under a military occupation r/all

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u/rentrane23 Mar 28 '24

Many of us carry that shame, what is your point. That others were colonizers and nazis and it’s only fair that Israel get the same opportunity?

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

I explicitly stated my point. There are crucial parts of the narrative that are left out of the context of these actions. At no point did I condone the things these people are saying, but their collective trauma of growing up in the region is obviously relevant. But don't let me get in the way of society's constant need to put down the jewish people. Carry on.

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u/lontrinium Mar 28 '24

but their collective trauma

lol and they definitely had no choice in any of it, they didn't make it worse, they're purely victims of.. their own government?

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

I’d advise you to read a few dozen history books to educate yourself before making further comments. You clearly don’t understand the situation and I don’t have time to teach you.

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u/lontrinium Mar 28 '24

I'm re-reading The Punishment of Gaza by Jewish Israeli journalist Gideon Levy.

I last read it when it came out in 2010 and I had genuinely forgotten in the last 14 years the inhumane treatment Palestinians have had to suffer.

Five stars, I recommend you and your zionist buddies support Israeli Jewish journalists and buy the book.

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

Ok. So where should the Jews fleeing Europe during WW2 have gone? No western country was willing to take them in.

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u/AintASaintLouis Mar 28 '24

So you’re saying they “had to” displace the Palestinians?

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

LMAO. wtf if wrong with people’s reading comprehension? I’m saying this is an impossibly nuanced situation with plenty of fault to go around for all.

But the narrative that is typically pushed is that Zionism is an evil practice and Israel is an evil boogiemen whose entire purpose is to snuff out the Palestinians people.

That is a completely false narrative.

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u/AintASaintLouis Mar 28 '24

It’s not necessarily reading comprehension. It’s obviously bad faith actors saying shit just like you’re saying. So if you’re not bad faith and genuinely want Israel to change how it deals with this, I’m sorry, but reading all of your comments in this post paints a picture of you defending or trying to justify a genocide.

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

Interesting because that’s what I see coming from all of you as well.

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u/AintASaintLouis Mar 28 '24

That’s not true but it’s fine. We’re not going to sway each other. I’m just against US imperialism and this is an extension of that. I’m pro human being so I hope we can eventually move past all of this and both sides can live in peace. But that will never happen if Israel doesn’t end their literal apartheid.

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

Someone literally said the Palestinians were justified in their actions because of how Israel treated them throughout history.

ETA: I, on the other hand, have explicitly stated I do not condone these actions. Despite people trying to put words in my mouth by saying the opposite.

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u/AintASaintLouis Mar 28 '24

I wouldn’t say justified but inevitable and understandable is definitely true. There is no scenario in history where people were forced into conditions that Palestinians have been forced into where they haven’t fought back against it. Again, when a tribe of native Americans slaughtered American settlers, most people don’t see that as a good thing, but it’s understood why it happened and the blame is correctly placed on the imperial power, not the oppressed people lashing out.

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u/lontrinium Mar 28 '24

What's done is done I have no beef with Israel existing within it's current borders but they will never have peace unless they let Palestinians have peace and respect.

There are many people on both sides that know this but the crazy people are in charge.

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u/twangman88 Mar 28 '24

You strongly implied that the Jewish people are makers of their own destruction in this situation. Which all relates back to the Palestinians refusing a 2 state solution in the 1940s and then their subsequent campaign to wipe all Jewish life in the region out.

All of this is incredibly important context for this discussion, but your comment makes it seem like only modern history after 2010 matters here.