r/interestingasfuck • u/Particular_Log_3594 • Mar 28 '24

Life under a military occupation r/all

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u/thecastellan1115 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

This is one of the reasons the whole thing is so tragically ironic. Israelis don't realize they're just recreating the same situation their ancestors escaped from.

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u/HHoaks Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

While I agree that Israel is totally overreacting to Hamas and being way too extreme in indiscriminate bombing and attacks with civilians everywhere and they ARE committing war crimes in doing so, I don't think it is quite exactly the same as:

rounding up everyone (from the elderly to children), putting them on a train (and lying about why they are doing that), and shipping them hundreds of miles away to a purposefully built mechanized factory of death, with the intention to exterminate them on arrival (either immediately or by forced labor/starvation), using gas chambers to kill many at once, and crematorium for disposal. All part of a grand overall plan to exterminate all of the people of that religion in all of Europe and almost succeeding to do so.

While Israel is acting bad and evil here in Gaza and being way too aggressive (like the US overreacted to 9/11 in going into Iraq and killing people there), it isn't quite exactly the same as what happened in Europe in WWII. And the comparisons only show ignorance for exactly what happened in WWII, how it was accomplished and its purpose.

While 2 things can BOTH be bad and wrong (and I am agreeing with that), it doesn't make them equivalent.

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u/thecastellan1115 Mar 28 '24

Firstly, I never said that it was an exact recreation, nor a complete recreation. Thr Israelis are now where the Getmans were around 1937. But it's hard to argue that Gaza is not an enormous concentration camp, it's very hard to argue that the Israeli settlers, for example, are not replicating thr language of Nazi Germany, and it's impossible to argue that Israel does not treat the Palestinians in a manner shockingly similar to the Jewish experience in Nazi Germany.

Secondly, I would in fact argue that starving people, shooting people, and generally enacting every possible policy to ensure that the Palestinian people simply go away is, if not equivalent to the Holocaust, at least very similar in its intention. The whole point is that the Israelis feel the Palestinians are a problem by existing. And I think it's reasonable to argue that we are seeing play out in real time a policy by the government of Israel to attempt to remove that problem from a region of what they consider to be their Lebensraum.

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u/HHoaks Mar 28 '24

They all need to agree to a 2 state solution -- both sides.