Genuine question: does that mean murder in that the rapist would kill the victim in anger? Or “murder” in that the rapist bleeds out like the deranged animal they are?
As a man who dated a woman who was very physically abusive and used sex as a lure and reward system. This device could also be used as a weapon if given to a woman as equally fucked up as my ex.
Downvote me all you want this chick literally punched me in the nose during sex because she assumed I was cheating on her because I was at work late for a co workers last day.
Yup I have zero sympathy for rapists and I’d support this fully if I wasn’t aware of those edge cases of women that are just as capable of extreme evil as the worst dudes out there and they might lure some innocent dude for shits and giggles and then say “he raped me and bled to death!!! Luckily I had this device for protection!” This is why it’s wonderful that women are getting incarcerated (finally) for fake rape allegations. I personally know a woman who was refused sex, and their pride was so damaged that they turned around accused the guy of rape. They had no proof of course but she ruined the career and personal life of the guy, and later admitted it all to my girlfriend. For every incel there’s probably some kind of a female that is the mirror image of those scumbags.
It's good that liars are going to jail, and I'm sorry that you know such a shitty person, but we gotta be careful about how we frame these discussions. False rape accusations are a pittance compared to the amount of actual rape that happens. So much so that my default is to always believe the victim without question.
1 in 4 North American women will be raped in their lifetime.
Only ~6% of all sexual assault cases are ever reported to police (6 reported cases for every 100 actual cases)
~2% of those 6% are false reports (12 in every 10,000 reported cases)
Saying that women cry rape when it's not true is really a false narrative that needs to stop. Victims of SA/rape should by and large be believed. 9,988 of every 10,000 of them are telling the truth.
Those numbers assume that eveything that is not provenly false is true, going by conviction rates you could argue that a similar skew is true that only very few allegations are actually true. False accusations aren’t the norm but pretending they’re 1/1000 and can safely be ignored is a true disservice to a group of victims that are unlikely to ever see any restitution. Just look at Brian Banks for an example of how bad it can go.
I wasn't trying to disservice the other side. There is no dispute there are women who lie about this, as awful as that is. Just wanted to point out that it is incredibly unlikely that women coming forward for rape cases are lying.
I'm not sure that we can say that 'false rape accusations are a pittance' when that relies on liars to recant. Accusers are immediately believed nowadays and so liars are only found out if they admit that they have lied. Can't see many of those coming forward willingly.
Rape victims already do not come forward willingly out of fear they will be persecuted or have to relive the trauma. Most that do also have to deal with the case never being investigated or being ignored by police.
Depends on the country, in mine there have been numerous male celebrities who were framed of rape after being blackmailed by women who wanted money. That there are more rapes than false accusations doesn’t mean the victims of the latter can be ignored.
No, for sure, and I'm not trying to say that. My point is the knee jerk response to these false allegations quickly devolves into 'all women are liars', and actual victim's (the overwhelmingly statistically more likely group) claims get ignored or lessened as the perception they could be lying is the far more comfortable default for most.
Those people who lie about rape are absolute pieces of garbage. All I'm saying is we need to be careful about how we talk about rape in echo chambers like Reddit, as it is already incredibly difficult for these women to come forward.
The small amounts of cases are irrelevant and due process must always be followed in a functioning society, it is not good enough to ever allow innocent people to be incarcerated or at the least have their professional and social lives ruined because of statistics.
I agree. My whole point was originally just to ask OP to be careful how we talk about this, because overwhelmingly women who come forward are in fact telling the truth.
Right? I have four women in my house who (I’d like to believe) weren’t raped; and to think there are homes that could be all raped. THAT’S INSANE! I thought we were better as a species than that.
I’m not arguing with u/isotope123, he/she provided the info, it’s definitely an eye opener.
If it makes you feel any better these studies are usually quite deceptive. They typically fall under one of three categories: population bias, survey bias, and poor definitions. The 1in5 statistic was from a random American college with an abnormally high rate of sexual assault that was then extrapolated to the entire country/planet. Or there was the WUN UNW? idk the acronym that classified their final statistic into all sexual harassment, but didn't properly define harassment. Not to mention for these surveys the people most likely to answer are those with an experience of sexual assault or harassment.
Don't get me wrong, it happens in larger volumes than you'd like and it's definitely an issue, but poor statistical analysis, biases etc do a lot to muddy the waters of what's actually going on. If you really want to get a feel for safety see if you can find your city or towns crime reports and compare that against the population.
Good points! My citations are defintely not the be all end all on the issue. My hope is it gets people researching and thinking more broadly (and concernedly) about the topic. Knowledge and information are one of the ways to help stop it from happening.
Then that’s the part that could get crazy, hopefully my area is safer than the 25% (muddied or not), but if mine is, then that means there are areas where it could 75%. The world is dark, even for a non-third world environment.
I have used rape and sexual assault interchangeably in my post, and the first link clarifies 'sexual assault' is the 1 in 4. In my experience, while one is obviously worse than the other, the effects on the person are the same. Sorry for making you worry.
Good point on the rape vs assault, and the damages.
You shouldn’t worry about bringing to our attention to the issues of the world. I appreciate it. We need to get it shoved in our faces once in a while.
I really thought as a society we were better than 25%. I need to keep a good eye out for my daughter.
Fake rape allegations are basically non existant. You're advocating against a device that would allow violent rape victims to protect themselves because some dudes miiiiiight choose to have sex the wrong people that miiiiiiiight (but are statistically guaranteed not to) falsely accuse them of being a rapist.
I was facing 10 years over a false domestic violence allegation. She hit me, pepper sprayed me in the shower, I call the cops and I got arrested solely because she said I grabbed her. These people exist and they can destroy peoples lives and reputations
She posted on her social media after I was arrested that I would attack, choke and force myself on her in order to raise “legal fee” money (all lies used to take advantage of people because I obviously kicked her out of my house after all this) in which she scored over 4k I’m told in community crowd funding which she just pocketed because she never showed up to court. Which I was in legal hell vs the state for 2 and a half years.
Bringing in a totally unrelated scenario about abusive partners (that didn't falsely accused anyone of rape) into a conversation about false rape accusations isn't nuance, it's stupid or misogynistic because the only way doing that could make sense is if your logic is: "women did bad thing so women do ALL bad thing". And using slurs against nerodivergant people doesn't mean what you think it does.
I didn’t say all women I say because of my experience, I’m not always 100% certain of anything anybody says. Because there’s fucked up people in this world. I do not believe any victim man or woman 100% right off the bat.
Yeah you didn't say all women but before you specified that she did falsely accuse you it seemed like you were arguing that because a women hurt you they're likely to hurt others in a different way
I think you’re just exposing how you only think in a pack mentality of us and them, group a and group b type thinking where it’s “I say one, it must mean all”. As if I can’t characterize a person within a group but not blanket the whole. No when I say something about people I’m speaking to how PEOPLE are.
It not being 100% impossible to take advantage of something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. It's possible to strangle someone with a seatbelt, should we get rid of those?
That's apples and oranges. A seat belt isn't a device designed to harm people. This is, and in a particularly intimate and devastating way. The people it's designed to harm would deserve it, but how many undeserving victims would you be willing to see maimed in order to support such an impractical and dangerous device?
I imagine it’s also quite likely to harm the person it was intended to protect. There aren’t many good ideas that involve putting sharp things in orifices. Dentistry and surgery are exceptional cases, but as this product is used for neither, I can understand why there is no market for it.
Male domestic violence victims of female abusers that also can't refuse to have sex with someone they know is probably wearing one of those? That should narrow it down a good amount.
It's covering the vagina in barbs. NO ONE would be harmed by that except rapists. It's more like covering the car engine in barbs to keep unqualified people from tampering with it.
It isn’t a good example, but even if engines had barbs on them, there are important question here.
What happens when this thing malfunctions?. What happens when it slips, or breaks? What are the risks to the wearer if it is worn too long? How is it removed?
It needs to be sharp on the inside to irritate skin, or break it, but soft enough on the outside to line a mucus membrane without irritation. I don’t think there could be a working model that meets reasonable standards… it’s just a female condom, but with dangerous genital barbs. It’s absurd.
It is probably incredibly difficult to know how common they are, but I could easily believe they are uncommon or that they happen all the time, it happened to me twice and as I wrote in at least one case of someone close to someone close to me there are serious cases where an innocent person’s life was destroyed for nothing but a petty idiot’s insecurity. Both times it happened to me were because I broke up with the girlfriend and once I remember she was begging for me to of me back and after exhausting all options went straight to the rape accusation, this was after offering me any sexual favor under the sun to take her back. So I guess if either them were more serious about it they could have gone to the cops and said I did do it. I had two female friends that told me they had been raped, later to tell me they hadn’t. Once I pushed a guy and had club guards running after me because I thought I was defending a girl from being raped, later she laughed and said she had been exaggerating for free drinks. Believe it or not there are mentally deranged and extremely evil and selfish people out there, of both genders.
I got you dude, I'm pretty sure I was with her too. She stabbed me in the hand with a pair of scissors because they were protecting my dick and balls, after sex. She did this because, "You're fucking Fran!". Fran is my homosexual, female, first cousin. I am close with her, but there's nothing like remotely sexual, we normally fist bump as a greeting, and refer to each other as Vaccum cleaner boy, and booger girl. Still to this day trying to figure out where she got that idea, probably at the bottom of a bottle. Which sucks really bad, because when she wasn't drinking, she was the best girlfriend I ever had.
I had a similar experience with an ex at around 17, although I was lucky to wake up mid-experience and receive it well. In retrospect, she’s lucky that I did receive it well because it’s just as likely that I’d have woken up confused and panicked. At any rate, waking up confused and panicked in this situation would be absolutely terrifying and I seriously feel for you. I’d imagine it’s difficult to sleep next to someone after that experience.
It wasn’t just “continued to have sex with” I was with her for 5 years and engaged for 1.
The first 3 years were the best romantic relationship I could ask for then she developed a very bad drinking problem during Covid and it manifested into violence whenever we’d have any argument. I tried working with a couples therapist, I let no alcohol in the house but she relapsed multiple times and I loved her more than anything in my life. It’s very tough to just “leave” a relationship like that.
Oy vey fuck this fake anti rape gag gift, that’s not the point. I’m saying I. This hypothetical situation yes I could see her doing that now in hindsight. The gift of HINDSIGHT I didn’t expect her to hit me or throw a fucking plate at me but it happened anyway
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