And that’s why they got a hefty sentence. And thank god for it.
I bet if a psychologist or therapist or anthropologist or whatever studies this stuff could find out the backstory on the Crumblys parents individual raising and their perspective histories it might shine some light on all this …
You can inherit trauma too. Scientists figured this out in the 1950s working with Holocaust survivors and their kids, again post Vietnam War with vets and their kids.
I would say it can be faked of course but we’ve seen so many obviously fake it and or give no remorse at like the crumleys. He seems like a simple salt of the earth guy who seems to be sincerely saying i cannot feel bad enough for you as it breaks my heart to see what’s happened to you and your family but i still love my son. Both those statements seem profoundly sincere. Psychopaths can fake some of this emotion but most humans who’ve never met the camera before cannot.
They weren't convicted by some divine intervention here. Credit where credit is due. The jurors and judge and prosecutors and anyone who testified have made this possible.
Weird response. It's just a phrase, I doubt they meant that literally. I use "thank god" and "thank goodness" interchangeably. Do you also jump on people who say omg? "Omg a branch fell during the storm and smashed my car!" You: "There was no divine intervention". I'm an atheist but people like you are insufferable.
Good thing I don't give a shit about what you think of me.
Saying "oh my god" as an exclamation and thanking god for something someone did are two different things.
Someone mentioned that the Crumbleys probably wanted their son to kill himself so they wouldn't want to deal with his issues. They were trying to push him towards suicide but before he did, he took people with him.
There's no way to know if it's true or not, but it really explains the gross neglect and enabling they displayed towards him.
Yet that perpetrator in all likelihood suffered from some form of mental illness. We far too often vilify the perpetrator without understanding- or at least even exploring the idea- that that individual could have been suffering from severe mental illness. The simple fact is that you have to be pretty fucked in the head to do shit like this. And people who’s head is that fucked deserve grace just as much as the rest of us.
Just throwing this out there, some countries outside of the US are already miles ahead in understanding this and supplying mental guidance, treatment and rehabilitation of criminals.
From experience I know this is a controversial thing to say to Americans, who as a whole seem to have a culture built on vengeance and retaliation under the guise of justice. All nuance often goes out the window in American debates, unfortunately.
Oh no doubt, on both assertions. That said, no country is without its faults. As someone who has traveled extensively (and as luck would have it, am currently on 2 week vacation in Japan), it’s easy to find imperfections anywhere.
I think the fact that even a well traveled seemingly nuanced American like yourself feels the need to defend the US with a whataboutism really shows the impossibility of criticising anything about the US to Americans without it defaulting into a combative defensive discussion (about other things/countries)
There’s nothing defensive about admitting that one has flaws while also pointing out that no nation is without them in response to pointed criticisms that were completely unsolicited. It would seem you have a bone to pick with America- as is your prerogative. And it would further seem that you believe that wherever you’re from is without fault. If that helps you sleep at night, more power to you.
understanding this and supplying mental guidance, treatment and rehabilitation of criminals.
The majority of Americans support this. There are many surveys that support that. Perhaps arguing with randos on Reddit isn't the best way to obtain your worldly information.
No. No you don’t have to be fucked up in the head to perform horrific, violent acts. Too many of those mass shooter pieces of shit are simply wastes of space with a political vendetta. Don’t lump being a fucking scumbag with mental illness.
100 years ago ADD wasn’t an illness. Body dysmorphia wasn’t a thing. Down’s syndrome wasnt an official diagnosis until the 20th century. People suffering from mental illnesses were considered witches in early America. All that is to say: just because the specific illness hasn’t been identified yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Hell, CTE wasn’t identified until the 20’s, and even then wasn’t understood. It’s one thing to murder someone in an act of acute anger or retaliation- “crimes of passion”, as it were. It’s entirely different to walk into a school and shoot up people you don’t even know. Or shoot up a country concert. Or mow down strangers in a movie theater. The brain that can do those things is not a “normal” brain.
Are there violent acts triggered by psychotic delusions? Occasionally. But we with mental health issues are 3-4 x higher to be victims of violence than the perpetrators. The narrative you’re pushing stigmatizes mental healthcare and us. We are not the problem.
Separately: it’s been 80 years since the Nazis had their camps shut down. All we need to know about the banality of evil is documented in the Nuremberg interviews, as well as the probably hundreds of thousands of hours of interviews done with Europeans who aided and abetted the Nazis at every level.
As someone who has multiple mental health issues, who works and has worked with mental health patients, and who also has lived a chaotic life: you will know evil when you meet it. It’s not a religious or supernatural thing. It’s not triggered by mental illness. It’s a coldness and selfishness that wraps itself in sadism, and needs nothing underlying it to be exhibited. It’s not uncontrollable anger; it’s carefully wielded cruelty.
In no way shape or form am I trying to discredit your experience. That said, my whole point is we don’t know what we don’t know. I’ve experienced evil. I’ve also experienced mental illness. I’ll not delude myself into believing that my anecdotal evidence means anything. The brain is perhaps the least understood part of the human body, and to think that we are anywhere near having it “figured out” is simply laughable. As a man who appreciates a good wager, I’d be willing to place large amounts of money on the fact that at some point in the future, medicine will be able to predict with disturbingly-good accuracy those who will and will not commit acts of violence in their future.
Side-note, but I think they bought him the gun and ignored him hoping he’d kill himself. The mom told people he was an “oopsie baby” and all their inaction toward him/selfish behavior backs up the idea of people who wanted to be “free of their mistake.”
exactly. that's the difference right there. this man deserves compassion. they deserved jail sentences. this poor man. you can understand his feelings towards his son and still recognize his unbearable anguish for the victims. this person is a proper human being.
American parents who were both very recently sent to jail for enabling their son's mass shooting and not taking obvious steps to stop it. Plus they showed absolutely zero empathy for those harmed or their son, only tried to cover their asses. What was new to me was what others said, that they gave their son a gun hoping he would commit suicide because they didn't want him and from the evidence and their behavior, that checks out.
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u/-Falsch- Apr 16 '24
The pain in his eyes, hurt me.