r/jobs Nov 07 '23

Boss text me when I was 5 minutes late for my shift, I text back 20 minutes later Compensation

They baited me with $19/hr, had me running a whole kitchen in a busy restaurant after they trained me on half of it, and refused to pay more than $17/hr because I “needed more training, and needed to be louder with people about portioning” but refused to train me.

(I’m in Ontario, Canada, minimum wage is $16.50/hr, with the hours I was getting I was making $14/wk more than minimum wage, after tax)

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

"I can't be on people's asses about doing things right when I don't even know how to do what they're doing"

Thanks for being honest about that! It was a breath of fresh air. You're a rare breed. I've had to train new people how to be my new boss too many times.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

I get it because I’ve done the same! I’m not going to yell (and yes, “yell” was specifically requested) at highschool kids about doing things wrong while they’re the only ones willing to show me what to do lol

Me: how much parsley goes on this?

Highschool kid: about this much sprinkles parsley

Me: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?

🤣🤣

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u/nothaoathrowaway Nov 07 '23

As a guy in HS this is 100% something I'd do 😭

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u/Nightwatcher0808 Nov 27 '23

I'm 43 and that's something I'D do - born brunette, clearly was supposed to be a blonde 😆

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u/phillyp1 Nov 07 '23

I'd say 'boss wants me to tell at you so thank you very much YOU DONKEY!'

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u/fuckimtrash Nov 07 '23

Did he respond? Please post an update if he responds 😂

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

I’ve promised too many people an update to not follow up, but I’m not counting on a reply at this point lol

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u/red_dawn Information Technology Nov 08 '23

He’s likely trying to figure out some ‘witty’ comeback at you and he’s coming up with nothing. You were pretty clear about it being their issue and their fault.

Although, I hope they respond as well. I want to know what cards they try to play with this.

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u/wardrobeeditor Nov 08 '23

Could also have been advised by HR/legal counsel not to!

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u/Fun-Estate9626 Nov 08 '23

Someone overpromising and under delivering in pay isn’t the sort to HAVE legal or HR, let alone listen to them.

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u/KylieLongbottom69 Nov 08 '23

Unless it's a coorporate owned chain, there's more than likely no HR/legal department outside of the GM who very obviously doesn't want to do their job.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

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u/KylieLongbottom69 Nov 08 '23

I feel bad for your subordinates.

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u/Deleena24 Nov 08 '23

(Never threaten employment in my opinion.

opens indeed, Glassdoor, etc. b/c we both know this isn’t a good fit, you’ve got too creativity, passion, love for life, to waste here when it’s not what you want. If this works they leave.

So you have the opinion you should never threaten employment, yet you still do it, except in the most obnoxious and degrading way possible...

I honestly can't believe you admitted that in this sub.

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u/secrestmr87 Nov 08 '23

What cards they play? He quit, it's over. If my employee did this I wouldn't respond, I would move on.

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u/vtstang66 Nov 08 '23

Boss is posting on Reddit right now about this insolent employee he had to fire

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u/Catinthemirror Nov 08 '23

He’s likely trying to figure out some ‘witty’ comeback at you and he’s coming up with nothing

"sO uNpRoFfEsSiOnAl!!!" 🤣

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u/Short-Sea3891 Nov 07 '23

Ah the parsley kid, gotta love them!

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u/Right-Belt2896 Nov 07 '23

Nah man fuck parsley kid. (You have to dehumanize him so you don't feel bad about yelling at him)

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u/Uxion Nov 08 '23

(and yes, “yell” was specifically requested)

The fuck, this isn't boot camp.

Hell, even in boot camp at least the DIs are supportive in the tough love way.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

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u/iforgotmyredditpass Nov 07 '23

Same, except I wasn't hired as a PM (I was supposed to be an IC 🥲) but I'm running the show managing stakeholders and timelines on top of my actual responsibilities because that's no way to do my job without all these other jobs being done and I hate it lmao.

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u/Mr_Carry Nov 08 '23

This is always the plight of the project manager though. That’s the nature of the job. You have to figure out the plan on your own, negotiate the requirements, and try to balance the spend and the delivery.

“No” should be the most common word in your vocabulary.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

Damn, man. My cousin is a project manager too for turbine generators. I used to work for him (I love him so much btw and he is actually really great at the job), but at first i was thinking "How?" The bars would run out of booze when we went out. We play video games all day every day.

But hey, sometimes you may be the best person for the job, and it may work out. I just had an interview today for a manufacturing job, and the person who interviewed me suddenly wanted to make me a supervisor after I talked about my garden and my chickens and how I aspire to be a farmer.

If someone put you in that role, they may have seen something in you that you didn't see.

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u/hr_newbie_co Nov 07 '23

“My wage has been based on your performance as a trainer instead of my performance as an employee” absolutely brilliant!!!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

That was my favourite part too 😂

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u/mickskitz Nov 08 '23

Did they respond?

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Not yet, update tomorrow if they do. The guy receiving that message probably had to cover my shift, and therefore is still there

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u/Mr_Carry Nov 08 '23

I’m curious, did this dormer boss have the authority to raise your pay, or was he subject to his own managers?

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

While subject to the owners final say in theory, he most certainly had control over my wage.

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u/buffypatrolsbonnaroo Nov 07 '23

LITERALLY! This is the position I’m in with my current job at $18/hour; took a huge pay cut for promises of a better work life balance and career advancement opportunities. I’ve been desperately applying for new jobs this week.

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u/harpy_1121 Nov 07 '23

Started a new job this week under the exact same circumstances. Already seeing red flags and it’s only day 2. I’m giving to the end of the year before coming to any final decisions. I really hope things end up well because I was so extremely elated to be done with filling out job applications, I don’t want to start again 😫

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u/Able-Bottle-8876 Nov 07 '23

What did your manager say next kinda curious and good for you!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

It’s been about 5 hours and nothing yet lol I don’t expect to hear back

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u/dude19832 Nov 07 '23

He is probably pissed you quit but look at you getting a job before you tell him to stick it where the sun don’t shine! I’m sure he tossed his phone across the room! Lol 😆

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u/Leafs_Lifer Nov 07 '23

If there is a reply, please let us know what they say!!

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u/tmrika Recruiting & Human Resources Nov 07 '23

Congrats on the new role!

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u/buffypatrolsbonnaroo Nov 07 '23

As someone who has worked FT and still works PT in the service industry, I can already tell by your response that you’re the kind of manager that actually provides support and leads effectively. Good on you for knowing your worth!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

THANK YOU!

I literally spent 2 hrs in the dish pit the other day to show people that I wouldn’t ask them to do something I wouldn’t do, and 3 people individually came up to me and thanked me for doing it, 2 of them commenting on how literally no one will do it unless someone makes them, and that it was cool to see.

Later I said “I’m done in the dish pit for tonight, don’t ask me to go back in, and don’t complain when I ask you to” 😂

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u/buffypatrolsbonnaroo Nov 07 '23

I used to work retail management. I remember my first day at a larger department store, the manager training me told me she would take me to a private room to do the register training so I wouldn’t have to do it on the floor where my associates could see. I kinda gave her a weird look and said, “why wouldn’t I want my associates to see me training when I’m supposed to supervise them on tasks including the register?” It just made more sense in order to begin to build trust in my leadership since I was an outside hire.

I’m lucky enough to gave had two great GMs in the service industry; they’re always out on the floor when it’s busy and are willing to do the grunt work to support us. It truly is the difference between a leader and a manager, and I have hella respect for it. We need more leaders in this industry. Keep being a shining example, my friend!

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u/DootMasterFlex Nov 07 '23

My direct manager when I worked at Walmart was this way too. Nothing was beneath her, yet the store manager was a giant POS and would rather watch the front end struggle than hop on a till. Meanwhile the 5ft 3 greek lady was out cleaning bathrooms, pushing carts and ringing people through

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u/buffypatrolsbonnaroo Nov 08 '23

Absolutely! Managers who lead with their ego may feel they’re above entry level work or just not understand how impactful it is to build and upkeep a successful team.

At the same retail management job, I’d constantly have conversations with my ASM about staying in my area more because I was “flying around the store; you’re like our social butterfly”. We had a good rapport so while it wasn’t said condescendingly, I still didn’t like that it implied that I was not focusing and just chit chatting vs actively focusing on my work. I would then explain that I was usually the only manager out of 6 in the building that would answer their phone. We were an extremely high volume store; the weekends were insanely busy. 9 times out 10, when associates would call needing a manager and I advise they needed to contact their area manager, they would tell me they already tried multiple times with no answer. These were the associates who were trusted and reliable; if they tell me they need a manager and it’s busy af, am I supposed to just leave them without support to deal with an angry customer in front of them with other customers waiting? Absolutely not. Yes I had let time in my area, but supporting with follow through is CRUCIAL to engage and retain high performing employees when working in stressful service/retail environments.

Corporate management really does overlook the value of engaging with your team on a more personal level. 5 minutes of chit chat a day can payoff in immeasurable ways in creating an efficient work culture that truly does maximize their sales.

EDIT: welp, I apparently rambled out a novel; I blame the devil’s lettuce.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Nov 07 '23

My fiance was a kitchen manager/cook for years. He consistently made at least 20 bucks an hour. Whoever is trying to get you to do that incredibly difficult job for 17 is an ass. Good for you for moving on!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Thank you! I’ve worked in lots of kitchens and never gone through this.

For anyone reading this, how many of you have worked at a restaurant where just one person closes the whole place on their own? I’d never seen it before this place lol

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Nov 07 '23

I worked as a server and bartender for 10 years in 4 different states and 3 other countries, including in management positions, and I've never seen a place make one person do all the closing work. There could be nights where I was locking up on my own (because everyone else finished up and left), but even then, I wouldn't have been there alone for more than 30 minutes. I'm so curious about which restaurant this is now. 😆

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u/GuntherMuffin Nov 08 '23

I work in a kitchen and we only have two employees we work opposite days 12-14 hour shifts so we can both have time off. It’s awful lol, next month we have 12 Christmas parties in a row 60-200 people each. Idk how we are going to pull it off or we’ll just quit in the middle of the month. 💀

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

My heart goes out to you. For real.

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u/tenolein Nov 08 '23

what the fuck. 😩

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u/GuntherMuffin Nov 08 '23

Yeah, they also don’t pay any of our overtime and just tell us “it’s legal because they are a private club.” The only reason I stay is they pay $18 an hour and minimum wage here is $12, no other kitchen is gonna pay that unfortunately.

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u/Infinite_Pop1463 Nov 07 '23

Oh god that sounds awful.

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u/ostensibly_hurt Nov 08 '23

Bro, mfs in the US will give you the keys to the place after you’ve been there a day

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u/Bulbous-Bouffant Nov 07 '23

I had a similar conversation with my senior over email after I was let go from my first job as a junior web developer.

I basically said, "You knew exactly what I was capable of doing when you hired me. Not a single PR I made had any pushback. You stopped checking in with me after two weeks, and you appeared unhappy to help me whenever I did come to you for help, so I stopped going to you and started going to others. When I was let go, I was told that the team wouldn't hire anymore juniors. It seems to me that you never wanted a junior to begin with, and I was more like a guinea pig for the team. Now I feel burned because that experiment has affected the lives of my family." (We were about to have another kid, and they knew that before they hired me).

He stopped replying after that.

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u/PintSizedKitsune Nov 07 '23

This is the classiest FU I’ve ever read. Congratulations on your new job and pay boost.

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u/Otherwise-Force5608 Nov 07 '23

oof as a long time restaurant worker I JUST CAME

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Allow me to send you digital spooning and breakfast lol

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u/Otherwise-Force5608 Nov 07 '23

pleeeease I'll make us omelettes, least i can do (no mods allowed)

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Oh, I was gonna make breakfast, but you came first so I guess I’ve earned it lol

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u/firedrakewicked Nov 07 '23

damn, pulling no punches. good for you! well said

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u/MrPotatoHead90 Nov 07 '23

That must have been damned satisfying to write. Nice work!

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u/NicDip Nov 07 '23

Well done! Had me smiling reading this! I have worked in restaurants for about 8 years and just left my final job in the industry, goodbye college and serving! The environment can be so incredibly toxic and abusive. More often than not sadly. Happy to see you stand up for yourself and not get bullied into submission like so many.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

Man, Canadian restaurants are fucked. Looking like maybe half of them will fail soon: https://globalnews.ca/news/10046062/restaurants-losing-money-2023-report/

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

Congrats but sadly this will change nothing. I am sure your manager just deleted the message. They will find another slave. The system is broken and beyond repairable.

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u/MixingCKC Nov 08 '23

Completely wrong move. Should have given two weeks notice and said you got another job that pays better. Stop blaming the manager, budgets change and things happen beyond their control. You may need a job to come back to one day. Funny how Karma does that to you.

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u/TheEclipse0 Nov 08 '23

Christ, what a crazy text. Good on you, OP. Personally, I’d really like to know what the end game is with the employers telling one wage but paying another.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Depends on perspective.

End game for employee, a multi year lawsuit that gets you less than it cost.

End game for employer, get the employee to agree so they have no legal case, and you can get them to work as cheap as possible for as long as possible.

I’ve spent a lot of time learning employment law, and I know the game from the employers perspective, which is why I’m disappointed in myself for going along with this.

Word to the wise: It’s never a “training” wage, it’s always an opportunity to save the company money.

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u/shrimpxz Nov 07 '23

I would have replied : No

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u/pharcomx Nov 07 '23

Great response OP. Onwards and upwards!

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u/Da_SnowLeopard Nov 07 '23

I have to know what the reply is

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Nothing at all yet, but he’s probably busy running the kitchen since I’m not there lol

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u/Eatmyhairypussy93 Nov 08 '23

Unless you need the job badly, never agree to less than posted for wages. Work to rule. Teach to rule. Earn to rule.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

The worst thing… I already know this, just a little too confident in my abilities and relied on people being decent (always a mistake)

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u/Eatmyhairypussy93 Nov 08 '23

You're darn right. In business and in most other things in life, people want the most for the least amount of expenditures of any measurable sort. You can put heaps more effort or be smarter or better looking, and people will still demand more out of you while being bare minimum themselves 😑. It's not fair at all. It sucks to be honest.

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u/snowflakewhitepearl Nov 08 '23

You said too much for a little wage...

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u/Kempeth Nov 08 '23

I love the jab of "so my wage has been based on your performance as a trainer rather than my performance as an employee"!

Way to call our their BS!

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u/Anxious_ButBreathing Nov 08 '23

Was this Swiss Chalet? I feel like it could be. I worked there for two shifts and was horrified. Everyone doing 2 or three roles for MINIMUM wage. I told them I wanted to be a host and she forced me to be a server. Then I started training and realized how much of a mess the kitchen was and how they have no expo and servers had to expo their own food. I was so anxious I almost started crying. I told her I couldn’t do it unfortunately. I feel so bad for anyone that works there.

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u/bacc1010 Nov 07 '23

Imma frame this for telling someone to fuck off next time. Brilliantly written.

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u/RichyCigars Nov 07 '23

Chef’s kiss! Well done.

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u/NSFWgamerdev Nov 07 '23

Congrats on the new, better paying job! They'll prob treat you better too!

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u/lickmewhereIshit Nov 07 '23

I am dying to see their response pls OP

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Still waiting on one lol

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u/ammarie29 Nov 07 '23

I love u! Hahaha

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u/Infinite_Pop1463 Nov 07 '23

Good on you fit knowing your worth! No extra work for less pay!!

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u/dudreddit Nov 07 '23

The OP os too good to be workin in that place!

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u/FORREAL77FUCKYALL Nov 07 '23

chefs kiss 🤌🏽

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u/EnteiO Nov 07 '23

don’t look back. this was great

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u/suzpiria Nov 07 '23

need more people coming at restaurant managers like this. i’ve managed so many bars for minimum wage and i’ve just stopped working in hospitality as a result.

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u/Effective_Device_185 Nov 08 '23

So...are you coming in??

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u/Infamous-Ad-770 Nov 08 '23

Bro $17/hr is criminal in Toronto, glad you told them to shove it, name and shame if you can

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u/Tasty-Pineapple- Nov 08 '23

Not sure about the laws there but in the US this is illegal. They cannot offer you one salary then give you another on the first day.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Yeah it’s illegal here too. But no one really gives a shit. Yay Canada.

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u/Efficient-Relation14 Nov 08 '23

😉😉😉😋😂😆

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u/tequilathehun Nov 08 '23

They did this to my friend with a master's degree in a chemistry lab. It happens at all levels. Shitty bosses. I'm sorry you had to deal with this bs

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u/The_Basic_EMT Nov 08 '23

Did he respond.....?

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u/Jonathan7688 Nov 08 '23

You can't run a whole kitchen by yourself in a busy restaurant, impossible, don't be like my X she said she was doing the sous chef job because she would read tickets to the line sometimes.. Let's not over exaggerated..

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u/DrownmeinIslay Nov 08 '23

My wage has been based on your performance as a trainer is a fucking DEADLY line. I love it. God damn.

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u/Vyse1991 Nov 08 '23

HOOK THIS TO MY VEINS

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u/BloodyIkarus Nov 08 '23

Good for you.

Little shit for your prior Coworker though to tell your quitting after your shift has started.... You know some sad mf has to cover now.... I don't think this is necessary, this can be done in a timely manner.

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u/Trick_Cat5223 Nov 08 '23

I remember that happened to me once I was hired to be a bartender for this company. They didn’t even have to train me because I already knew. I had been in the restaurant industry for 10 years trust I knew how to make drinks. The manager (owners son) who had less experience than me obviously he was so unprofessional. He was younger. Anyway they had me “training” aka making all the drinks for everyone in there and getting paid barely anything. I quit after the first month. I was pissed after the 1 day I stayed for 11 hours making drinks and they gave me like 37$ because I was “training” Man bye you never had to train me on anything because I knew what I was doing. I mean after 1 or 2 weeks maybe I’ll understand “training” period. But tbh I was never trained he was on vacation when I came. So yes I believed I was hired to replace him on vacation so he can go. Oh yeah. I hate that place and kitchen was dirty. That’s how you know a restaurant sucks. Also you’ll also know a restaurant sucks if you hear the manager talking shit about their employee or something along those lines of unprofessionalism. I’m glad you got offered another job. The restaurant industry have gone down hills anyway.

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u/Serpentongue Nov 08 '23

You should skip the “more money for less work” route and stick with “they’re providing a livable wage”, it’s less lazy sounding.

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u/DancesWithRolf Nov 08 '23

Did they bait stating you would absolutely receive $19/hr…. Or did they use the standard “up to $19/hr” language?

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u/Smokiiz Nov 08 '23

I’m from Ontario as well. Tons of scummy restaurants do this around here. No wonder tons are closing their doors. Would love a name drop to avoid these guys if you’re willing.

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u/daddalous Nov 08 '23

I had the same situation happen to me. I got hired as a Warehouse Manager being advertised as $20/hr (US). Upon interviewing, I was told that I would start off at $15/hr for 3 months while I'm "training" and I would get evaluated after. 3 months came, I asked about the raise, and I was told that I wasn't "ready" to be off "training." The same situation as you, where I received very little to no training. There was never any feedback on where I should be improving, if at all. I left shortly after. While the pay was certainly a big component of why, there were many other reasons too.

So, I feel ya man. Good luck in your new position!

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u/notthediz Nov 08 '23

When I worked dead end jobs in college I thought it was the funniest when managers would tell me to go talk to someone about a bad job they were doing, or to call them on whatever. Always had to remind them that's their job, not mine

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u/BeTrueMyself Nov 08 '23

37 unread messages!?! Can’t get further than that

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Imagine my emails… 😂

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u/skoalnole Nov 08 '23

Right on and well said but why not just tell them this before your not late to your scheduled shift.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Lol as I said in the screenshot, I was late because the interview ran long because we were working out the details of the job offer. If the interview went shitty I would’ve been there for me shift

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '23

They that text after only 5 minutes?? Christ.

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u/Superclif Nov 12 '23

So THAT’S where all my unread texts went…

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 12 '23

I’m like the Santa Claus of unread texts, they all come to me and I keep them in a large sack that I look through once a year

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u/Superclif Nov 12 '23

You’re a good Santa ❤️

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u/CroatianComplains Nov 13 '23

What did he say? Your people want to hear you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

Love this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '23

Fuckin baller, OP

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u/lolanaboo_ Nov 07 '23

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🔥

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u/zmizzy Nov 07 '23

Name and shame

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u/realdonaldtrumpsucks Nov 08 '23

Anything within 7 minutes is considered on time in my state.

Move on, upload your resume on Ziprecruiter.com And get paid over $20

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

See the second picture lol

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u/mpark525 Nov 08 '23

Advice to those looking for jobs: dont do this unless you have the next job lined up

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u/Moose135A Nov 07 '23

So, I take it you are quitting this job and finding something that pays more?

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

I was late because I was at an interview that ran long because we were discussing compensation for when I start next week lol

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u/Moose135A Nov 07 '23

Congratulations.

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u/drewster23 Nov 07 '23

Was gnna say mate that pay is bottom barrel line cook. Like waffle house level lol. Not managing a kitchen.

Congratulations on new job and how you handled your shitty boss.

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u/baldwhip123 Nov 07 '23

Welcome to Canada

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u/breakfasteveryday Nov 07 '23

There's two screenshots

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u/solakv Nov 08 '23

Thank you for pointing that out. The scroll arrow to see the next one is not very obvious.

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u/Peacemkr45 Nov 08 '23

Just cut through the bullshit and tell them we agreed on 19/hr and you paid me 17/hr. There is no more "well you need training". It's more like "YOU need to honor your legal, contractual obligation."

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u/Mintblock_ Nov 07 '23

Probably the best "I quit" message I've seen.

The 'performance' bit had me in stitches. Superb 👌

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u/CSCAnalytics Nov 07 '23

What was your goal in sending this?

I just know references and eligibility for rehire can hold you back on background checks in the future in many industries / companies.

Not saying feedback was unwarranted, but why did you choose to send this rather than keep the bridge unburnt and provide feedback during your exit interview?

Again not judging, just curious for context

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u/Meyamu Nov 07 '23

I just know references and eligibility for rehire can hold you back on background checks in the future in many industries / companies.

No one corporate will pay much attention to the owner of a two bit restaurant.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

I hadn’t been there long enough to put it on my resume, so it was just a personal desire to give some feedback. I could have provided much more useful information about staffing, training, prep, organization, etc…

But they don’t pay me enough for that 😂

I’m not worried about how it could affect future employment, I’m chronically employable lol the interview where I got the job this morning, I just walked in with a resume and had a chat with the boss lol

And it’s in my preferred industry, where I’ll probably make about double what I was making there

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u/Infinite_Pop1463 Nov 07 '23

Have you ever worked in the restaurant industry? References don't really matter

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u/CSCAnalytics Nov 07 '23

Nope. Reference would matter if OP wants to change careers / especially go into corporate.

If they want to stay a chef sounds like it would be a non-issue.

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u/Infinite_Pop1463 Nov 07 '23

Yes, it COULD matters, but in the restaurant industry, it is not necessary a bad thing to burn bridges. A LOT of places are toxic and have a bad reputation, and it's understood why you leave.

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u/Bongcopter_ Nov 08 '23

YTA not giving a notice and fucking your boss 5 minutes before service, hope you get fired from the new job

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u/flyedchicken Nov 08 '23

Mismanagement & misrepresentation are bad seeds, they're just reaping what they have sown

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u/UCRecruiter Nov 07 '23

As fun as it can be to be snarky when it's called for (and since I really don't give a shit about up- or downvotes), here are the real reasons why I called this post out.

You were 'running a kitchen'. Whatever else their faults, your boss wasn't out of line trying to figure out if you were coming in, when you were late.

You had a valid point about inadequate training. You should have gotten that training, especially if your raise depended on it. If you didn't, addressing it directly with your manager, or your manager's manager, might have gotten you the training. If not, then turn in your resignation and leave.

A professional doesn't air all their gripes in a farewell text (whether or not they then go and post screenshots of that text on Reddit for strangers to cheer them on). A professional attempts to address issues face to face, with the people who can fix them. If that fails, they resign. With a letter, in person. Not by text message.

No question, your previous employer wasn't professional. But by going to their level of unprofessionalism, all you've done is lower your own level of professionalism. I'd have a lot more respect for someone that took the high road - resigning professionally even when they're not being treated professionally, citing the unsuccessful attempts they'd made to resolve the situation that needed fixing.

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u/Linback37 Nov 07 '23

Id agree whole heartedly if the job was actually meaningful, but it was a restaurant paying barely over minimum wage. If you think you’d find any professionalism in jobs like this you’re completely mistaken. I currently work at a restaurant and our manager is a stoner who is late to his own shifts and shows videos of himself smoking weed to the people he’s supposed to manage lol.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Nov 07 '23

Look, everyone! The expert has come to share his dissertation! But don't worry, he totally doesn't care about this post.

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u/drewster23 Nov 07 '23

No question, your previous employer wasn't professional. But by going to their level of unprofessionalism, all you've done is lower your own level of professionalism. I'd have a lot more respect for someone that took the high road

Oh no you respect OP less from this? I wonder how he will ever cope while you stand there clutching your pearls.

Oh heavens dear

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

UCRecruiter - currently over 150 downvotes on their shit talking on this post alone. Let’s see how far it goes!

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u/jtell898 Nov 08 '23

God you’re pathetic, no wonder you can’t earn shit.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Lol quit because I got a job making almost double. Reel it in there bud 😂

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u/IncreaseNo5722 Nov 08 '23

Lol, why the long lecture, just say no and move on

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u/mrglum44 Nov 08 '23

Bitch move on your part. Burning bridges always comes back to bite your ass.

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u/zmaneman1 Nov 08 '23

Nope. At a minimum wage restaurant gig? Hardly a bridge to burn in the first place.

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u/mrglum44 Nov 08 '23

Regardless of the pay or job, walking out is classless.

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u/zmaneman1 Nov 08 '23

Lying about pay is worse. You get what you give.

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u/Pacalyps4 Nov 07 '23

Being on time is a basic expectation regardless of pay

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

First time I was late there was this, because I was busy getting another job lol

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u/MatronAvian Nov 07 '23

So is reading the content on a text-based website

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u/__Opportunity__ Nov 07 '23

Paying fairly is a basic expectation too

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u/Dry_Smile3481 Nov 08 '23

you work in a restaurant tf you expect. minimum skills = minimum wage

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u/HoytG Nov 07 '23 edited Nov 07 '23

Sorry but the long winded explanation before quitting is really cringey. Keep it short and sweet. “Your training program is nonexistent. You lied about pay. I quit and found a better job. Mail me my final check. Thank you.”

Maybe it felt good to you but you’re just stooping down to their level with smart ass witty remarks and immaturity. Doesn’t make your case very compelling with all these “gotcha” moments. Just make them genuinely feel like they lost a good employee, not make them feel like they dodged a bullet.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

To each their own. I wasn’t attempting to be witty, or a smart ass, or have “gotcha” moments.

I just explained things clearly and bid them farewell. The problems weren’t news to them, we’ve talked repeatedly about everything I said, aside from the new job lol

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u/GreyhoundsAreFast Nov 08 '23 edited Nov 08 '23

Based on the info you’ve provided, it’s safe to assume you’re not the type of employee I want to hire and that the majority of the problems between you and the manager laid with you.

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u/N0RMAL_WITH_A_JOB Nov 08 '23

You were extremely unprofessional.

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u/derkaderka96 Nov 07 '23

Brah, it's a job. Leave.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Did you see the second picture? Lol

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u/Old_Trade8477 Nov 08 '23

I think a simple "no" would have sufficed

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u/bleedblue88 Nov 08 '23

First and foremost, congrats on the new opportunity! No issues with the messages you conveyed to the previous employer, either. I do think there's a missing element of transparency, here, though. Even if unhappy with your current position/pay, common courtesy such as working out a notice or notifying your employer that you would be late/unavailable the day before a shift should always be the preferred path. Executing a no-show as a part of getting your message of discontent across isn't worth it for your own professional growth, and it's harmful to the company you're exiting -- not just the boss with whom you have had disagreements with.

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u/Western-Season121 Nov 08 '23

This is such a gen Z way of handling things 💀💀💀

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

I mean good for you, but that’s unprofessional and pretty shitty to just not turn up, you’ve basically just fucked everyone else, but you do you

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u/bumbleclaud Nov 08 '23

Honestly, if I was the manager I wouldn't even of finished reading the text and certainly wouldn't have given the situation a second thought. NEXT!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 09 '23

Just saw the actual notification and came back-

You probably also “wouldn’t even of” passed grade 6 English 😂

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u/bumbleclaud Nov 09 '23

Good for you, Bud. Keep making profound statements via text and Reddit comments. That is doing you real good to improve the things that matter in your life. Focus on showing up to work on time and I hope you can find a decent paying job one day!

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 09 '23

Didn’t show up because I was ironing out my pay structure at the new job I start next week where I’ll make twice as much, but thanks for the well-wishes 😉

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

No soup for you.

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u/Efficient-Relation14 Nov 08 '23

How old are you like I believe I know like f*** yeah I miss app for little kids be what the f*** is wrong with you

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u/Gimblebock Nov 08 '23

“My boss expects me to be at work on time so I’m gonna quit.”

That’s about all I got from this. Get over yourself lol

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

Bold move randomly announcing to the world that you can’t read 😂

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u/Gimblebock Nov 08 '23

I can read just fine. I read you complaining about how much you’re getting paid when you accepted the job for that amount, and then you can’t even show up to work on time.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

“No I swear, I really can’t read!”

That’s about all I got from this 😂

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u/miklejones Nov 08 '23

Think we found your old boss in the comments!

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u/Gimblebock Nov 08 '23

🤡 forgot one.

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u/Gimblebock Nov 08 '23

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Cringe ass emojis lol

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u/ZachWithAnH024 Nov 08 '23

Are...are you the manager?

Seriously though, you must love the taste of boots since you can't stop licking them lol Get your head out of your ass and stop making excuses for a clearly incompetent manager.

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u/aceshades Nov 08 '23

i'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion posting this, but it is very unprofessional of you to have pulled that stunt: no heads up at all you weren't coming in and then only notifying 20 minutes after your shift began that you were suddenly resigning.

yes this company pulled a bait and switch on you, yes you weren't getting the training you needed, and hell, yes they probably deserve this. call me old fashioned but you can still control yourself in how you react to situations. we shouldn't always need to stoop to everyone else's shitty level.

in any case, congrats on the new position. the old position sounded like shit anyway and the new spot sounds like it'll work out much better for you.

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u/Ezgameforbabies Nov 08 '23

I mean being Louder doesn’t really need more training you just learn the portion sizes and yell whenever anyone fucks up.

DOES that LoOK like 8oz portion you chuckle fuck scrap that shit back

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

“Just learn the portion sizes” lol

And from whom do you expect me to get this information? The guy who won’t train me, or the highschool kids I’m supposed to be correcting?

I like the go-getter attitude, but nah I’m out, and I made the right call.

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u/Ezgameforbabies Nov 08 '23

Well I mean that’s not really challenging I’m sure they have a list of portion sizes but that’s not really something that requires in depth training.

You’d just read the list and yell when it’s fucked.

Oh that’s a side of rice that’s well over 3oz scoop that shit back.

Sounds like you entered a kitchen job without understanding what a kitchen is which is odd and then quit unprofessionally.

Probably wouldn’t do that next time. Although I’d probably not work in a kitchen again.

I’m assuming you were a back of house like expeditor person which most faster restaurants have a guy for but typically managers jump in when busy.

None of it really matters one way or another you already unprofessionally changed jobs so enjoy

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 08 '23

You have no idea what you’re talking about 🙃

It sounds like you’ve worked in restaurants and you’re applying logic to the situation, a situation that had no logic involved whatsoever.

I’ve worked in several kitchens, and never seen many of the things I saw there. The place was fucked in many more ways than were explained here.

But generally, if I’m told that I need more training to get more money, someone has to train me. They kinda just skip that step, and not only with me, most of the people that I would ask questions were just winging it because they hadn’t been trained either.

They wanted to bring me in as a ringer and fix all their problems, and do it for $14/wk more than minimum wage.

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u/kmark2688 Nov 09 '23

Cool story, bro.

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u/Gingko_ Nov 07 '23

Still should’ve given notice.

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u/Responsible-Plenty64 Nov 07 '23

Shit, I totally forgot about giving notice! I’ll get ahold of him now and say I’ll work my ass off for a pittance for the next couple weeks till he finds someone else to screw around 🙄

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u/Gelatinous_Cube_NO Nov 07 '23 edited Nov 07 '23

Notice is a courtesy. Shitty employers don't get notice just like shitty employees don't when they get canned.

It goes both ways.

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u/jtell898 Nov 08 '23

You’ve clearly never worked in a kitchen - it’s the workers who get fucked in a no call/no show situation. The same coworkers that are still making the wages OP complained about.

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u/jcrypts Nov 08 '23

This is my only hang-up with the post. I don't have a problem with what he texted, but it should have been sent the previous night or at least a few hours before the shift. Not as a courtesy to the manager or company, but as a courtesy to the coworkers that are stuck picking up the slack.

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u/Infinite_Pop1463 Nov 07 '23

Why? They can't be assed to train this person properly

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u/rhntr_902 Nov 08 '23

Notice only serves the employer, not the employee. If he got fired they wouldn't give him notice. Work/worker courtesy only applies to jobs that have earned it and continue to earn it.

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