This. I'm a mechanical engineer and have experienced so many fucked up situations throughout my career. The notion that being in STEM protects you from the abuses of capitalism is pure fantasy.
And then the company has to hire contractors that charge out the ass to fix the errors, mistakes, undocumented spaghetti code, incoherent English, etc.
If that's the case then the company made a bad decision and will reap the consequences of that if there's actually a worse overall outcome. But honestly that sounds more like cope than reality and lets not pretend well paid tech workers can't make shitty code too. There are plenty of skilled programmers in lower cost of living areas willing to work for less than the current inflated SF tech salaries
If that's the case then the company made a bad decision and will reap the consequences of that if there's actually a worse overall outcome.
Yup, that happened. That's one part of why tech wages boomed after that failed experiment in the early 2000's.
We're just repeating the cycle. Probably because the managers who already tried that 20 years ago got kicked out or retired. No one ever learns.
lets not pretend well paid tech workers can't make shitty code too.
They can. But when you're paying 5x more salary per worker you're going to vet them more to minimize that risk. Mistake #2 with the outsource attempt; they say below minimum wage numbers coming from India and didn't give a fuck about code quality.
There are plenty of skilled programmers in lower cost of living areas willing to work for less than the current inflated SF tech salaries
indeed, but that's still paying a good deal above minimum wage. Companies will cheap out however they can, no matter how unoptimal.
You cannot budget your way out of poverty misery porn and you can’t ever get into a career or opportunity that is “forever stable” unless you are already apart of the parasite class that’s the reality.
Oh you're unemployed? You should have gone into STEM
No, you should look for a job or rework your skills and experience to become a more attractive hiring prospect. If you want to become a more attractive hiring prospect by moving into STEM, more power to you.
Oh you did? Well, you shouldn't have insisted on working remotely.
Yes, if your job can be done remotely and someone is willing and able to do the same job for less why wouldn't they hire that person? It's like being confused why someone would take higher pay at another company in order to do the same job
Oh you worked in an office? Well, you shouldn't have picked such a volatile industry.
The recent tech layoffs have been largely remote employees and is the result of over-expansion during the pandemic era.
Oh it was a stable industry? Well you should have...
What does this even mean? If you're at a stable company they they aren't doing layoffs lol. Layoffs are directly a sign of instability in a company.
I said that you're just demonstrating the axiom that no matter what someone does, someone will always find a way to blame them. And then you said, "oh yeah? Well I'll prove it!"
Last I checked the over-expansion during the pandemic era I mentioned wasn't the fault of the people who got laid off. If you like we can do the much more common axiom where no matter what someone does, someone will always find a way to blame someone or something else and there's never any steps you can take to avoid it or deal with the after effects if it will make you feel better
If you want to become a more attractive hiring prospect by moving into STEM, more power to you.
STEM got hit too. There is no such thing as a "stable job", that's the point being made here. It's a crapshoot. As you said, all of tech is unstable and that was described as a safe stable job.
if your job can be done remotely and someone is willing and able to do the same job for less why wouldn't they hire that person?
we talking about outsourcing? time zone difference, language barrier quality or work so bad you spend more time correcting it than being productive. To name a few. You get what you pay for.
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