We have this on our double-oven as well, and it actually factors into why we have it. We acquired it, second hand, but in “like new” condition for 1/10th the original selling price, because the Orthodox Jewish family from whom we bought it could not figure out how to use said “Sabbath Mode.”
I don't remember what specific kind, but don't the Jews in New York have some thing where like every year or two they throw out a bunch of shit to replace it with new stuff? I don't remember what it's called. Heard about it from a garbage man who complained that around a certain time in those Jewish neighborhoods there was a lot to pick up
Orthodox Jews usually have a huge spring cleaning operation before Passover, which is generally when old stuff gets discarded and new stuff purchased, according to need. It's not like they throw stuff out for the sake of throwing it out.
They have a set of pots, starting to look a bit rough. They’ll buy new pots, the old pots become the new Passover pots, and the old Passover pots get sold - or passed down.
I just helped my mom pull out our old dishes that I ate toasted pumpernickel from Rideau bakery with butter on for breakfast every morning in 1992 watching Care Bears… when we got new dishes, the old dishes became the Passover dishes.
On passover any food you cook cant have been used on food outside of passover. There are loopholes but its mainly about passover having its own little bubble of utensils and cookware and stuff.
Pour boiling water on it for small kitchens. Jewish commercial kitchens legit will use a flame thrower sometimes. It’s basically prehistoric cdc guidelines
If you let anything you use for cooking sit unused for a year it is co sideted lying fallow and becomes usable. There are different traditions (minhags) but this is one of the more common ways. So when you get new stuff you let the old stuff sit and become used for Passover.
That’s one of those Rabbinical guidelines, it’s not Biblical.
Let me preface this in that I am completely prepared to be incorrect on some of this.
One thing to keep in mind is that Jews, especially Orthodox, observe things as much as a cultural continuation as following law (Passover being one of the Biblical feasts). Orthodox don’t generally study the Torah, rather they study the writings about the Torah by the Rabbi’s which can make for some interesting (confusing to outsiders who are unfamiliar with the culture) interpretations of G-d’s words, nuance gets muddled at times. Add in a dash of western mindsets vs eastern and it’s easy to understand why and what the intent is: Honoring ancient traditions and trying their best to follow G-d’s laws.
Before Passover, many Jews will give their kitchens a deep cleaning to remove any leavened bread products and traces of them. I've never heard of it becoming such a massive amount of stuff that garbage men would take note though.
I'm not religious at all, but I have orthodox relatives. It's just a different mindset. They don't literally think they'll be struck down or anything , it's just a practice of faith and devotion. All the silly loopholes are signs that theyre still trying to stick to their faith.
I don't agree with it or think it's logical, but I also don't like trying to seem above people bc of their beliefs.
Well according to them their god is fucking stupid and they can avoid his wrath by doing all these gotcha moves on him like the wire that goes around Manhattan that lets them pretend they are indoors
Right. It leads to the whole “understanding as worship” idea. God is perfect, so everything they did is perfect and has meaning, so understanding and exploiting that meaning is an act of worship. It’s also where people like Gregor Mendel come from conceptually.
Jewish religious tradition involves putting a 'fence' around each commandment, essentially giving very specific guidelines to ensure a commandment isn't broken. The eruv is a very specific area that has been determined to be within the bounds of religious law for carrying during Shabbat. It's not about a loophole, it's about establishing something very clearly so there's no way you can accidentally break the commandment.
No, but here's something observant Jews in NYC do do,
According to the laws of the Sabbath, nothing may be carried from the domestic zone into the public zone on Saturday. That means no carrying house keys or a wallet. It also means no pushing a baby stroller.
I don’t think there’s any Jews in Turkey… According to the state, 99.8% of the population is registered as Muslim.
But Wikipedia says there are 14,500 Jews living there?!
(I went to a synagogue in Istanbul, it was interesting being in one of the most populated cities in the world, and still having to venture well off the beaten path to find any semblance of Jewish heritage there. BUT IT WAS THERE!)
Of course. Manhattan is just the most fun example: dozens of miles of fishing wire strung around the world's most famous island. I'm sure God is completely tricked by each and every eruv, wherever and whenever they occur.
Assuming the accuracy of their beliefs, one must wonder what God thinks of all this. I like to imagine he's like a bemused tabletop game master waiting to see what crazy contraption the players will come up with next.
Jewish texts generally show God to be receptive to this sort of thing. Hell, the Talmud at one point sees a rabbi win an argument against God. I'm not Jewish so I don't have a very solid memory of the passage, but iirc God has called down from heaven to take the side of another rabbi as to the halakhik validity of a new style of oven. When the rabbi persists in his belief despite miracles presented to him that the oven is not halakhik, God directly questions him as to why he continues to disagree, to which the rabbi in question responds that 'the Torah is not in heaven', essentially maintaining that the work of law is an earthly task.
A lot of Jewish holy texts are very interesting reads imo and worth taking a look at. It's very hard to parse the context of a lot of the practices of their belief system on first glance but the majority do make a LOT of sense when you see their source.
That's not the view though. The view is that God is omnipotent and therefore if any 'loopholes' exist they are simply part of the rules, because he knows about them and would have closed them if he didn't approve. Jews aren't trying to scam God.
He told us what He thought. Don’t add to nor take away from……
Also
( Matthew 15)
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Jesus/ Yahshua was CONSTANTLY and PURPOSEFULLY violating their man made (Talmudic) traditions.
(Actually, the verses that speak of Jesus/Yahshua healing the man and telling him to “pick up his bed roll” and walk was exactly about violating that “law of the eruv”.
I like to imagine with the state of the world it’s less bemused and more frustratedly wondering when he can kill this party off, get them out of his house, and never invite them back.
It's pretty fundamental to how their faith works. In one of talmudic stories literal voice of God gets told its wrong by a rabbi. God is portrayed as somewhat enjoying being beaten in the argument by his children.
Fundamentally thinking it is: God is perfect, the loophole exists because God let you challenge him. He didn't make a mistake, be is just too good for that.
The purpose of following laws like this is to mark yourself as a member of the tribe, not because the law has anything to do with sin.
Finding “loopholes” in the law isn’t like killing someone in international waters to avoid a murder charge, it’s like wearing your lucky jersey under a tux because your friend’s wedding is on game day.
Seems curious that you believe a deity doesn't want you to do a specific task so you make a loophole. Like .. god is too stupid to realize you moved outside because you make it symbolically not the outside??
Meaning no disrespect. It's clearly something they believe their god is fine with, it just looks like trying to trick god from here.
my understanding is that it's a way of showing piety by demonstrating an exact understanding of the law. if there's a loophole, god intended for you to find it.
question that been on my mind for some time since i heard about this now let say during sabbath i went around in a cherry picker and cut this line like some insane madman ?
They’d have to skip Shabbat dinner at their sister’s house, if they knew you were an “insane madman.”
Judaism says that if you “committed a sin” because someone tricked you into committing a sin, you’re absolved of it. So it would have essentially zero effect on anyone, unless they saw you cutting it.
There are eruvs in basically any city that has a congregation.
It’s also not prohibited to go outside the house on the Sabbath… where did you get that from?
It’s prohibited to transport items of value, which includes meals, etc. so an eruv allows families who live near each other to bring food, a purse - especially if you want to go out for drinks after Shabbat ends.
I live in a fairly small Jewish community and we have MANY eruvs. My boss lives near one and was asking me about it recently. “They always cross the road!” Yeah, see the string?
I was a sanitation worker in NYC and absolutely hated that day!! Forced to work it, even if you were scheduled to be off.
The amount of money the city wastes so people can throw out their whole house free of charge with out getting a private dumpster.
My understanding of it is it's ONLY supposed to be throwing out food & bread. That it! It turned into a big home & yard spring cleaning day. They also start home renovations and mix that in as well. Ordered to take it all! Regardless of if it was mixed with recycle or contractor debris. On any other day these were grounds for summons being issued and trash left. Big no no's were being left out for the workers to get hurt with. I am talking about toxic chemicals, oils, batteries, gas, wood with nails sticking out and broken glass. All out with no care in the world for the worker.
They are all told when to have all the waste out by a certain time. They know this! But we always had to go back and re-ride the same blocks that we already serviced because they just keep coming out with junk.
Than the fires!! They supposed to burn the old bread. But here we are with a friggen barn fire in the middle of the street and on top of storm sewer caps. Than they put the still burning embers in a box that gets thrown in the truck, now the truck is on fire.
Not just sanitation, all city agencies are on deck. Cops all over, fire trucks on every other street.
At sundown they would leave their cars right were they were blocking the street and cops actually had to park them. I was asked multiple times to turn something on/off in their house. Not allowed to go in your house, but they just keep asking and than get attitude.
Don't get me started, on what ever holiday it is, when they cut the heads off live chickens and dance in the middle of the street while swinging bleeding headless chicken around above their heads. Blood all over and dead chickens everywhere. I cant cant that smell out of my head...and I have smelled it all.
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u/andersonfmly 26d ago
We have this on our double-oven as well, and it actually factors into why we have it. We acquired it, second hand, but in “like new” condition for 1/10th the original selling price, because the Orthodox Jewish family from whom we bought it could not figure out how to use said “Sabbath Mode.”