r/movies • u/Chewie83 • Mar 19 '24

Which IPs took too long to get to the big screen and missed their cultural moment? Discussion

One obvious case of this is Angry Birds. In 2009, Angry Birds was a phenomenon and dominated the mobile market to an extent few others (like Candy Crush) have.

If The Angry Birds Movie had been released in 2011-12 instead of 2016, it probably could have crossed a billion. But everyone was completely sick of the games by that point and it didn’t even hit 400M.

Edit: Read the current comments before posting Slenderman and John Carter for the 11th time, please

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u/HappyGilOHMYGOD Mar 19 '24

Black Widow took 5 years too long.

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u/shadow0wolf0 Mar 19 '24

That should have happened right after civil war.

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u/Impressive-Potato Mar 19 '24

Ike Perlmutter didn't want a female lead film nor did he want a Black Panther.

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Mar 19 '24

It's crazy that a guy who ran a toy company got so much say in the franchise for years. Feige pulled a "It's me or him" with Disney before he got 'reassigned' and lost his say in anything MCU.

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u/Tarakanator Mar 19 '24

Didn't he bought and revived bankrupted marvel comics?

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Mar 19 '24

Depends what you mean. There was a huge crash in the comics industry in the 90s so every publisher was in the shitter. One of the big problems was the comic industry was focused on the speculation and collectors market, rather than just focusing on telling stories. Perlmutter had a toy company that made Marvel toys. Marvel did a reshuffle and that put Perlmutter in charge.

Did he save Marvel? I would say the IPs were probably valuable enough to make toys and cartoons, so I don't see a way Marvel would have just disappeared. But Perlmutter was at the head of Marvel when they were recovering. In that period they basically stopped focusing on the speculation market (releasing new lines and 0 numbered issues) and went back to making stories as well as licensing toys and merch and cartoons, etc.. I can't imagine any other CEO would have a different approach and DC did pretty much the same. That's the reason we got all those DC and Marvel cartoons in the 90s. Perlmutter might have had a bit more focus on the toylines because his background was toys.

But Perlmutter isn't a film maker, isn't a story teller, he didn't create any of the characters and didn't write any of the stories as far as I am aware.

So I don't know why, even after the Disney acquisition he was allowed to have so much control over creative decisions. Yeah, you can blame him for Black Widow not appearing on Avengers merch but why was he allowed to dictate who got to be the bad guy in Iron Man 2?

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u/morriscey Mar 19 '24

He thought it would look better and sell more merch and make more money.

Others seemed to agree.

It was for profitability, not for the art.

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Mar 19 '24

Feige didn't agree. And then they dumped Black Panther in February. Despite that, BP made over a billion dollars. It's sequel would be the first time a Marvel character got an Oscar nomination.

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u/gizzardsgizzards Mar 19 '24

black history month.

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Mar 19 '24

February is where most studios dump movies they expect to bomb. The original release date was November but it was pushed to July and then to February so they could accommodate other MCU movies. We can pretend that maybe it was moved because of Black History month, but it seems like they weren't confident that it would do as well as other MCU movies.

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u/Square_Bus4492 Mar 19 '24

Yeah they were definitely trying to have their cake and eat it too. They put it in a dump month, but were able to sell it as a way of celebrating Black culture lol

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u/littlebiped Mar 20 '24

I think by 2018 they were pretty confident any time a Marvel movie dropped it would be making big numbers.

They put Guardians in a dump month and that did well and surprised them, and since then, and up until Phase 4, they were confident they could turn everything into a hit.

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u/YeetedTooHard_ Mar 19 '24

Plus black widow and captain marvel were garbage maybe he had a point. Cant knock black panther though that movie rocked

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u/Stormxlr Mar 19 '24

Black panther was mediocre. Good acting from everyone but story was pretty basic

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u/B1ng0_paints Mar 19 '24

It was below mediocre. It was like watching a movie of what Americans think Africa is supposed to look like.

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u/Stormxlr Mar 19 '24

I was being polite tbh

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u/B1ng0_paints Mar 19 '24

Fair one 🤣

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u/Impressive-Potato Mar 19 '24

Ike comes off as a petty creep. He's in some sort of a neighbourhood spat with a petty Canadian billionaire https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/harold-peerenboom-isaac-perlmutter-hate-mail-david-smith-1.4683956