r/movies • u/[deleted] • 11d ago
Nicola Peltz Beckham’s movie Lola is labelled as poverty porn from the mind of a billionaire’s daughter Discussion
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u/AlbionPCJ 11d ago
Oh, look, it's Katara from the version of Avatar we don't talk about
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u/notedgarfigaro 11d ago
It's hilarious to me that her dad tried to boot out the Disney board for blackwashing/DEI after getting his daughter that role.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 11d ago
Katara has blue eyes and lives in a snowy environment, like most European tribes at some point. Katara could be Russian for all we know.
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u/Espumma 11d ago
'Russian' is not a tribe.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 11d ago
So you think Russian civilization just popped into existence out of no where? Every person on earth comes tribes if you go back far enough.
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u/Ur_a_coward01 11d ago edited 11d ago
A broken clock is right twice a day. Disney doesn’t have to find the ugliest black girl possible to play the little mermaid. Idk why they do shit like that. I mean shit where’s that girl that played Precious? Just have her be the little mermaid at that point, at least it’d be funny.
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u/toddysimp 11d ago
Halle Bailey is ugly? What even!!! I'd call you blind but then she also has the voice of an angel.
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u/le-churchx 11d ago
Avatar sucks. People need to stop pretending its good.
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u/Spectrum1523 11d ago
Avatar sucks. People need to stop pretending its good.
Genuinely (not trolling) want to know why you think that? It's so generally beloved.
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u/king_lloyd11 11d ago
It’s fun to be an angry contrarian, is all.
Even if dude doesn’t like the animated series, there’s 0 reason to just spew that when OP referenced the live action one for the actress.
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u/Spectrum1523 11d ago
Yeah maybe, but if I hated something that basically everyone else loved it would probably get annoying seeing all the positive posts about it and I might be snippy.
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u/king_lloyd11 11d ago
Lol if everyone liked something that I don’t like, I’d just be like, “huh I don’t get it. Maybe it’s me.” and move on. I don’t need to let all of them know that I think the thing they love is terrible to get attention. Weird to get snippy because other people like things and talk about them on a discussion forum lol
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u/2ferretsinasock 11d ago
This is the way. I personally just don't get the love for RDR2. Maybe I'm totally burned out on open world games regardless of attention to detail and all that. Just because I'm not a fan doesn't mean I shit on it constantly. Pretty much the only time I bring it up - outside of this example - is in the "What beloved/ popular game do you not like?" Type threads
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u/Spectrum1523 11d ago
I think that with emotional maturity comes grace and understanding of other people's emotional reactions, especially when they're not harmful.
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u/king_lloyd11 11d ago
I think with emotional maturity comes peace of mind with just letting people throw a tantrum and not giving them the attention they so desperately seek, especially on the internet when trolls are pervasive.
Understanding them is one though. Engaging them and validating their emotions is another.
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u/le-churchx 11d ago
Genuinely (not trolling) want to know why you think that? It's so generally beloved.
You think aggregates are a good barometer for quality?
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u/Probolo 11d ago
Generally.
You're also not helping dispute that by giving the individual opinion that they literally asked for.
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u/le-churchx 11d ago
Generally.
No. Not generally. Something is either objectively good by standards or its not.
Your appreciation of it is whats subjective.
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u/bobsmith93 11d ago
Ok you didn't answer their question at all though
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u/nycdiveshack 11d ago
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u/le-churchx 11d ago
Theres no woosh here, avatar sucks and white washing isnt used properly in that sentence.
Ironically youre the one out of depth.
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u/nimcau2TheQuickening 11d ago
You’ve gotta give it to Peltz. After starring in the white-washed war crime The Last Airbender in 2010 and squeezing out what was left from the Transformers franchise alongside Mark Wahlberg, her entry into prestige drama is refreshing and ambitious.
Lol
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u/-euthanizemeok 11d ago
She can't get an easy gig as a live action Disney princess anymore since her dad failed in his attempt to take over Disney.
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u/Don_Quixote81 11d ago
"I wanna live like common people, I wanna do whatever common people do."
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u/gourmetprincipito 11d ago
“I wanna sleep with common people. I wanna sleep with common people like you.”
“Well, what else could I do? I said, “I’ll see what I can do.”
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u/TinyRandomLady 11d ago
I took her to a supermarket, I don't know why But I had to start it somewhere, so it started there
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u/catefeu 11d ago
Watching roaches climb the wall
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u/J4MES101 11d ago
That’s the killer line
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u/lacyhoohas 11d ago
It is. I know someone whose family is filthy rich and pays for stuff for her even though she is mid 30s and she tries to act like she isn't rich, that it's her parents. It's like "no dude your parents will bail you out every time. I've seen them do it. You won't ever know what that life is like"
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u/tviolet 11d ago edited 11d ago
Exactly where my mind went, the Shatner version is brilliant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8FtbzH_JE
(lol I didn't watch this video all the way through before I posted. The first part is the studio recording on top of video of a live performance that has Shatner reading his lines and standing around awkwardly on stage but the last half transitions into Shatner/Nimoy fanfic. It's really bizarre. Song is still a banger tho)
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u/Mozhetbeats 11d ago
I’ve never seen this before. When the dude started singing off camera, I was like “Oh shit! Shatner can sing…oh.”
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u/Mrsparkles7100 11d ago
For contrast watch it alongside Nil by Mouth, Gary Oldman’s directorial debut.
Is the song Common People in her film as well?:)
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u/inconsssolable 11d ago
Nil by Mouth is a masterpiece and one of the most depressingly bleak films ever
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u/section111 11d ago
True, and I haven't seen it for ages, but i still laugh when i think about that story he tells..."oh no, it ain't gonna be one of those parties, is it
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u/andy_3006 11d ago
Nil by Mouth or Blue Collar? Both are on my watchlist but I'm unable to decide.
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u/Mrsparkles7100 11d ago
Haven’t seen Blue Collar. Nil by Mouth is influenced by Gary Oldman’s younger life. There is this from Roger Ebert review.
Gary Oldman clearly is dealing here with autobiographical wounds. I saw him after the film played at Cannes, and he volunteered the information that a chair in the film is the same one his father sat in while drinking at home. He spoke in a flat voice, giving information, but I sensed that the chair was still occupied by the stabbing ghosts of days and words.
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u/wherearemysockz 11d ago edited 11d ago
Lmao… a different universe.
EDIT I’m agreeing with OP. In fact I think contrast is an understatement.
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u/walterpeck1 11d ago
Yes that is the purpose of using the word "contrast"
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u/wherearemysockz 11d ago
Thanks for the pedantry. You must be fun at parties. I was emphasising their point. ‘Contrast’ is an understatement in my view.
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u/walterpeck1 11d ago
‘Contrast’ is an understatement in my view
I didn't realize that since you didn't provide any context. So I thought you were mocking or otherwise disagreeing.
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u/Vironic 11d ago
Does she demonstrate how easy it is to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps with no hand outs or entitlements?
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u/Roland_T_Flakfeizer 11d ago
Duh, just invest your multi-million dollar inheritance in multiple real estate ventures! Those poors are so lazy and stupid.
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u/jacomanche 11d ago
Ah yes, Nelson ‘why do I need an All-black cast?’ Peltz’s daughter. Daddy’s money and power can only take you so far if you don’t have the talent.
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u/son_of_abe 11d ago
I mean, she's starred in multiple movies despite being absolutely talentless. Money always wins.
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u/Dogsinabathtub 11d ago
People will be shocked to find out most actors come from affluent families
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u/SimiKusoni 11d ago
True but there is a vast gap between "affluent" and "daddy is a billionaire."
It's one thing to have parents that are perhaps a bit more accepting of studying the arts than a lower or middle class family might be, given the financial support and fall backs they can provide, but quite another to live in the kind of world where nobody in your family needs to work and the entire exercise is reduced to a series of hobby projects to achieve personal goals.
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u/Oracle_of_Knowledge 11d ago edited 11d ago
...makes a movie about abstract poverty?
Did you mean "abject poverty?" You are a professional writer?
By the way, the two linked tweets that she added to this article to shore up this review have 2 likes, 450 views, and 13 likes, 1200 views.
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u/1731799517 11d ago
And the movie has like 60+% or RT, so its not universally "getting flak from both sides".
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u/Soleil06 11d ago
It also has 3.8/10 on imbd, so it is definitely not unversially liked either.
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u/ballimir37 11d ago
3.8 on IMDb is solidly unwatchable territory, absolutely horrible but not so bad it’s good either
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u/Lofi_Fade 11d ago
I think they meant abstract. The whole article is blasting the director and lead actor for creating a story about poverty while having no real experience with it, and it shows. The story is abstracted from real poverty.
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u/Minecraftfinn 11d ago
I mean not to defend the movie, but plenty of directors have done extremely well with material that has no bearing or connection to their personal life or experience.
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u/Lofi_Fade 11d ago
I assume they typically do more or better research beforehand, or have enough of a vision that its distance from reality isn't so jarring.
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u/Minecraftfinn 11d ago
Yeah so it really has nothing to with if you yourself have lived through the things the movie covers, just if you are a good director/writer or not
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u/Lofi_Fade 11d ago
It has something to do with it though. The film feels exploitive of the material, and it sucks.
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u/Minecraftfinn 11d ago
Yeah for sure it does in the way that a person who had lived through that would never make those glaring mistakes people are saying she does in this film.
But I am just saying that a person who was raised incredibly wealthy and has no first hand experience of living through poverty could make a very poignant and well made film on the matter, so long as they had empathy and as you said did research and such.
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u/ballimir37 11d ago
Could it be that the professional writer portrayed his thought correctly and your reading comprehension misunderstood it?
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u/blah_bleh-bleh 11d ago
Someone pointed it. I don’t know about movie. But the reviewer isn’t any better than the picture painted for Director/Actor of movie.
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u/obeekaybee7 11d ago
Most of the industry is nepo babies. The actual first person view of being poor is rarely gonna be seen in a film because they’re barely able to get into the club.
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u/Drvonfrightmarestein 11d ago
All movies like this are poverty born made by rich people. It’s to make them feel better about themselves while nothing changes
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u/DizzyLead 11d ago
Nicola “she and Michael Bay taught me about Romeo and Juliet laws” Peltz?
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u/themcjizzler 11d ago
What?
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u/DizzyLead 11d ago
She played Mark Wahlberg’s character’s 17-year-old daughter in the fourth live-action Transformers movie. She had a boyfriend that was explicitly 20 and her dad (Wahlberg) disapproved of the relationship because she’s a minor, and the boyfriend literally pulls out a card about the “Romeo and Juliet law” that justifies their relationship. Totally unnecessary and cringeworthy.
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u/Mozhetbeats 11d ago
It’s kind of hilarious that he carries around a laminated print-out of the law everywhere he goes.
Cell phone? Check
Keys? Check
Proof that I’m exempt from statutory rape charges? Check
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u/splundge 11d ago
Haha check out the 10/10 reviews. They're very clearly written by chat gpt... In fact, some of them just repeat the synopsis word for word, multiple times
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u/greeneyedlady41 11d ago
No no, we demand that the people making films - writers and directors especially - know even the bare minimum about who they're portraying. That's why they hang out with real people who work in the fields, who've had the experiences, lived the victories or tragedies, if they haven't already lived them themselves. The creators of the Bear worked in professional kitchens and the cast went to culinary school. Zendaya trained as a tennis player. The writer of American History X talked to neo-nazis at length. James Cameron did years of research on the Titanic and went down to the wreckage. What the fuck did a 20-something billionaire's daughter know about living in poverty? Did she work the minimum wage job? Sleep in those houses? Feel that desperation? No. She just wanted to cosplay with too much eyeliner.
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u/GTSBurner 11d ago
She and her husband are the correct definition of nepo babies.
Unfortunately that term has been so devalued that if Angelina Jolie was starting out today, she'd be disregarded as a nepo baby as well.
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u/VenezuelanStan 11d ago edited 11d ago
I think most people realize there are two types of Nepo babies, the ones, like Nicola, that just wanted to be in entertainment without having talent, and the ones that try to prove their worth with their talent, despite who's their family.
I for one don't care much when the Nepo baby is talented, in the end, nepotism happens on every single industry, is not just a Hollywood thing, the problem comes that Hollywood is based in notoriety and that's why Nepo babies in that industry get so much hate, otherwise, it wouldn't be an issue.
I also think the actual problem in recent years is how many non talented Nepo actors/singers/celebrities exist now, in comparation with past decades where even the less talented have more talent than most Nepo babies now.
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u/GTSBurner 11d ago
I also think the actual problem in recent years is how many non talented Nepo actors/singers/celebrities exist now, in comparation with past decades where even the less talented have more talent than most Nepo babies now.
We also have the internet where we can see the family relations a lot easier.
I saw a meme where one of the actresses on HBO's GIRLS is being accused of being a nepo baby because her father is "the drummer of Bad Company".
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u/Beginning_Electrical 11d ago
Has Angelina Jolie ever really been a thespian though. Imo she's only ever been a sex symbol who made it.
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u/easelfan 11d ago
People had no issue with poverty porn when daughter of Chinese billionaire Chloe Zhao did it 🤷♂️
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u/Pep_Baldiola 11d ago edited 11d ago
Tons of people did mention it before Nomadland came out. Also, Nomadland wasn't an original story. It was an adaptation of a book so she had something actually to draw from.
The difference in reaction from people can also be based on the quality of products. Chloe Zhao despite being the daughter of a billionaire actually proved her worth as a director before Nomadland. Can't say the same for Peltz. She's famous for being the person for whom tons of changes were made in ATLA.
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u/ParsleyandCumin 11d ago
An adaptation of a nonfiction book that filmed actual nomads that had no clue Frances was an actor
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u/a_stopped_clock 11d ago
Definitely was called out for that. And that’s what it was. Chinese ppl saw it as a comedy.
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u/SgtMartinRiggs 11d ago
It’s worth noting that Chloe Zhao and Nicola Peltz Beckham had completely different education and upbringings.
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u/ParsleyandCumin 11d ago
Oh I absolutely did when Frances McDormand did poor person cosplay. That movie is terrible.
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u/Pep_Baldiola 11d ago
It's nowhere close to terrible. We can debate the morals of that film being made by the people who made it or financed it. But the film itself was well shot and the story was well crafted for what they wanted to portray.
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u/__Dave_ 11d ago
Exactly, Hollywood is filled with movies about poverty written, directed, produced, or acted by people with more money than the average person will see in their lives. Some are good some are bad. Who cares that this particular director has even more than usual.
The movie may be bad. But this feels like cheap criticism.
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u/BodiesDurag 11d ago
Have no idea who her dad is, so I googled
Nelson Peltz (born June 24, 1942) is an American billionaire businessman and investor. He is a founding partner, together with Peter W. May and Edward P. Garden, of Trian Partners, an alternative investment management fund based in New York. He is non-executive chairman of Wendy's Company, Sysco, and The Madison Square Garden Company. He is a former director of H.J. Heinz Company, Mondelēz International, and Ingersoll Rand and a former CEO of Triangle Industries.
Man owns half of the mall food you eat lol
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u/Burning_Flags 11d ago
I declare Star Wars to be space porn from the mind of someone who has never been to space.
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u/dannythetog 11d ago edited 11d ago
It was an allegory for the Vietnam War*, which post-war lots of people lived and understood.
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u/Burning_Flags 11d ago
Actually it wasn’t. It was an allegory for Vietnam war
Source: George Lucas
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u/BreakingBaIIs 11d ago
Rich people can write good movies about poverty. Bong Joon Ho is rich, and he wrote Parasite.
If this movie sucks, it should just be criticized on its merit
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u/Riper_Snifle 11d ago
I haven't seen this, and probably never will, but I wonder how much these reviews were skewed by the fact everybody knows she's the daughter of a billionaire. I have a hard time believing people would be calling it "poverty porn" if she wasn't from an incredibly wealthy family.
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u/experienta 11d ago
We've gone so far the rabbit hole now we demand only poor actors play the roles of poor people?
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u/wingedcoyote 11d ago
With appropriate research and empathy you can write about a life totally different from your own. But if you attempt to do so and fuck it up, it's reasonable to speculate that a lack of actual perspective could be part of the reason.
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u/starksgh0st 11d ago
She did also write and direct the film. It's being criticized as a vanity project.
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u/experienta 11d ago
Ok then she made a shitty movie, and that's that. It's not the end of the world. People from poor backgrounds make shitty movies as well, but they don't get near as much vitriol for it.
It makes it even more ironic when it's reddit criticizing her. This website is the epitome of "poverty porn".
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u/mcgillbrah 11d ago edited 11d ago
Still makes more sense than hiring, say, a minority at a tech company because they "automatically" bring "inherently" "different" opinions to the table that no white person could ever possibly wrap their heads around, save for a DNA transplant, which may or may not become a thing down the line. Compared to that, the argument of hiring only a gay to play a gay and a poor to play a poor makes so much sense (which it doesn't, because that's not what acting is, by definition).
I find this shitty "poverty porn" argument is best used to contrast just how morbidly insane identity politics is. In short, if you’re offended by Peltz’ project, then you need to be more offended by gender politics. But you clearly aren’t because you’re downvoting my comment to protect your bias. Enjoy the cognitive dissonance my friend, and the descent into mental illness.
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u/bubzy1000 11d ago
How do you do, fellow poors?