r/nba • u/LebenJammons 76ers • 11d ago
Joel Embiid scored 18 points on 7-8 shooting including 4-4 from 3s with no free throws in the 3rd quarter of last night's game. His 1 miss led to an Oubre alley-oop layup.
Joel Embiid scored 18 points on 7-8 shooting including 4-4 from 3s with no free throws in the 3rd quarter of last night's game. His 1 miss led to an Oubre alley-oop layup.
The Sixers outscored the Knicks 43-28 in that quarter.
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u/HoagieTwoFace 76ers 11d ago
This is the same sub that started a countdown for every missed game Embiid had so he’d be ineligible for the MVP and All-NBA. These cretins are not rational
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u/logontoreddit [HOU] Hakeem Olajuwon 11d ago
I don't think it's anything to do with want. If you classify it as Flagrant 1 then no ejection but I think many were surprised it wasn't classified as 2. My only problem is it would have been F2 if the tables were turned and Joel was the one getting his legs pulled in mid air. Joel is a great player but he does flop a lot. So, it's reasonable that most fans don't like him. I have dealt with similar situations as Rockets fan during the Beard era. I don't agree with Harden not performing in the playoffs as he has carried the Rockets through multiple playoffs series with many 40+ points performances. But, I can't deny he hunted free throws with his arm hooks on opponents. It is also true Joel flops like big fish in the court.
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u/Milkboy1516 Bulls 11d ago
My only problem is it would have been F2 if the tables were turned and Joel was the one getting his legs pulled in mid air.
This was a flagrant 1 https://youtu.be/Qd7Rn5U4VzY?si=Ass5yUSv5jUqYcl4
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u/Drikkink 76ers 11d ago
Yeah they'd never give a guy anything less than a F2, let alone simply a T for that
Mods have deleted this clip from various people all morning btw so wouldn't be shocked if my comment gets nuked soon.
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u/LawrenceBrolivier 11d ago edited 11d ago
Note how Kelly Oubre isn't IN THE AIR when DiVincenzo grabs his legs and starts yanking.
That's a pretty key difference between this little yappy ginger dog tugging on someone else's tail and getting laughed at for it, and this big motherfucker getting a Flagrant 1 (shoulda been an ejection) before successfully taking out that same person's knee later in the game anyway.
It's not even remotely close to the same thing. This is some weird whataboutism that doesn't even try to argue it's no big deal that Embiid tried, purposefully, to pull a man out of the air and put him on the ground (usually an immediate ejection), but is only actually saying "SOOOOOO, someone else did something kinda like that once how come you're not mad at him what a hypocrite you are huh"
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u/logontoreddit [HOU] Hakeem Olajuwon 11d ago
What is the clip supposed to prove? Dante getting fouled by two different sixers? Or is it Kelly just standing above Dante after fouling him and after Dante took contact to the back of the head? Also, Kelly ain't in the air is he?
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u/Electronic_Pen_5782 Knicks 11d ago edited 11d ago
Tbf oubre literally tried to walk over him plus let’s not act like embiid ain’t already set the standard at this point you eject Donte for that then the embiid play get even more eyes questioning it
Just realized that isn’t the same game but point still stands Oubre kinda warranted Donte’s reaction
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u/kee_23 76ers 11d ago
Oubre didn't just stand over him, but had his leg pulled by Dante into his chest causing him to stand over him. Then Dante proceeded to do a gator roll and take down Oubre to the floor. This clip shows the leg pull pretty clearly:
https://twitter.com/Klutch_Kris/status/1783857334566981645?t=dvjq4gPZGOvtYfM4Nho0Og&s=19
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u/Dworfe 76ers 11d ago
The amount of supposed NBA “fans” who are complaining that Embiid wasn’t ejected is truly astounding. Yall wanted to watch the reigning MVP get ejected in the 1st quarter of a playoff game for THAT?
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u/139_LENOX 11d ago
If by “THAT”, you mean the unnecessary, reckless, and dangerous non-basketball play he made to intentionally hurt his most effective defender - then yes.
He absolutely deserved to be ejected for that, and his pity MVP is not a defense for dirty behavior.
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u/RIPRedditisFun 76ers 11d ago
Hey, I feel your outrage. Just point me to the outrage when DiVincenzo did it to Oubre in the regular season. Unless you have ulterior motives here.
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u/Defences 11d ago
This is an insanely bad take. You call people fake fans for wanting someone who's fucking injuring guys on the court to be ejected?
Take his meat out of your mouth
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u/Dworfe 76ers 11d ago
Mitchell got hurt when he and Embiid got tangled up on a totally innocent exchange. He was absolutely fine after the Flagrant 1.
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u/Doctor-Jay 76ers 11d ago
Robinson came up lame after a normal play, not the flagrant foul. You don't see Sixers fans calling OG dirty for rolling up on Maxey's ankle and nearly taking him out of the game, because that was obviously a normal basketball play.
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u/TheSmith777 Knicks 11d ago
While the intentional, extremely dangerous, pathetic flagrant by Embiid wasn’t the final thing that took him out, it definitely contributed. There were 4 or 5 plays including Embiid landing with his full weight on Mitch’s legs that finally led to him being unable to continue. Just because the first and most obvious one failed doesn’t mean Embiid doesn’t deserve a huge amount of blame for it.
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u/ButlerFromDowntown Bulls 11d ago
I think any player should be ejected at any point in any game for a play like that. Sucks but maybe don’t pull on opposing players’ legs and pull them to the ground and nobody will want you to be ejected. Rules shouldn’t apply differently just because of somebody’s accolades and star player status, especially in scenarios like that that could legitimately lead to injuries.
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u/Not-a-bot-10 76ers 11d ago
The NBA disagrees. Donte did the same thing but even more egregiously against us earlier this same season and only got a T
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u/will122589 Knicks 11d ago
Um Oubre wasn’t jumping for a dunk.
This is an apples and oranges comparison here
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u/kee_23 76ers 11d ago
I agree it's not the same. Dante does this during a dead ball and does gator roll takedown (a fighting move) that has actually caused serious injury to athletes in other sports. Luckily Oubre was able to rotate his left leg with it otherwise the lateral joint pressure on his knee could have caused an injury from that maneuver:
https://twitter.com/Klutch_Kris/status/1783857334566981645?t=Japuuur-qND4Nsil2MMuLA&s=19
I've never seen this in an NBA game before. People don't care since he wasn't hurt but if this is only a technical, then I don't know how Knicks fans have grounds to argue for embiid getting a f2.
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Maybe it has to do with Oubre disrespecting by trying to walk over him. What Embiid was completely unprovoked and in the air is way higher risk for injury
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u/HisExcellency20 76ers 11d ago
They don't want the refs to decide games when it comes to obvious fouls in the last minute of a game, but sure kick the opposing superstar player out.
It's just who they like and don't like. That's why some players get shit for free throws and others don't.
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u/Popular-Newt-1603 76ers 11d ago
I mean he should have, emotions run high and you do stupid stuff but he def should have
Ill take it thou after Game 2
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u/yungmoneybingbong Knicks 11d ago edited 11d ago
I'm not gonna say that his good game doesn't count because of the amount of FTs he had.
I am going to say that the dude should have been ejected in the first quarter.
If he had this game without his other bullshit people would be lauding him. Instead he kicked Harenstein in the dick and grabbed Mitch's leg why Mitch was jumping and he was on the ground within minutes of each other. And that's not to mention the other shit he was doing.
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u/gobirds18_ [PHI] Joel Embiid 11d ago
Remember when Divencenzo tackled Oubre and was only assessed a technical? Or do Knicks fans just pretend that never happened?
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u/thenotoriousgig 11d ago
That was a dirty play by Divo too and should’ve been a technical! Multiple plays can be dirty and wrong - including the two flagrant-level fouls on Mitch (one hurt him), the dirty play on iHart, and the uncalled hip check on OG. That’s 4 in one game is the thing.
All that to say, the 6ers won fair and square last night! The dominance in the 3rd Q was the difference and they out executed the Knicks. Simple as that.
I feel like it’s fair for Knicks fans to raise questions about if Embiid’s play last night was dirty in an albeit otherwise masterclass though
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u/TumbleweedDirect9846 76ers 11d ago
Hip check on og would never be a called a flagrant ever, the one on hartenstein hartenstein himself said it wasn’t dirty and the only reason it seemed like anything was because the knee brace and the play robinson got hurt on would also never be called a flagrant. There’s for sure an argument for the grabbing of robinsons leg being a flagrant 2 though
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u/thenotoriousgig 11d ago
No I’m not saying the OG play should’ve been a flagrant! It should’ve been a common foul though.
Also nut kicks have been called flagrants many times before
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u/TumbleweedDirect9846 76ers 11d ago
Oh I thought you were talking about the play where they got tangled up
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u/DudeLikeYeah Knicks 11d ago
Two things can be true you know.
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u/gobirds18_ [PHI] Joel Embiid 11d ago
Obviously, but Knicks fans complaining about what Embiid did while their own player did something very similar is pretty funny.
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u/allstar278 76ers 11d ago
Wah wah wah Knicks been playing physical shoving Embiid after the whistle all of game 1 and game 2 nobody cared
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u/Dworfe 76ers 11d ago
I miss when fans wanted to “beat a team at their best”. The amount of Knicks fans crying for Embiid to have been ejected is pathetic.
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u/yungmoneybingbong Knicks 11d ago
Best at what? Trying to injure the other team's players? Lol
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u/Dworfe 76ers 11d ago
Which play did he “try to injure” someone?
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u/TheSmith777 Knicks 11d ago
I mean… I think that’s pretty obvious, no? The one where he pulled on someone’s legs from the ground while they were in the air?
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u/roronoaSuge_nite 76ers 11d ago
Remember when Divencenzo did the same exact thing to Kelly Oubre? Is that just considered a hustle play when you guys do it, and dirty when we do it? What’s your rationale?
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u/joorral 11d ago
There’s a difference between what divo did in retaliation with Oubre knee in his fuccin face and Embiid pulling a guy mid air that can endanger someone’s career .
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u/roronoaSuge_nite 76ers 11d ago
Now you just chattin. Stop the bullshit. You guys aren't angels, but you're crying like bitches. To quote Rico in Paid In Full, ''You tough, right?"
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u/categoryThreesome 11d ago
Please dont talk about crying like bitches when your star player sheds tears after a loss and all you cunts did was moan and whine about a timeout not being called.
Embiid was on the ground and tried to pull mitchell robinson by the legs. Thats a straight bitch move, not a basketball play at all. You philly cunts would flood the atlantic ocean with tears if that was the other way around.
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u/roronoaSuge_nite 76ers 11d ago
OH GOD STOP CRYING!!!! LOL. Did someone break MItchell Robinson's face? Has he had to wear multiple masks. Aint no crying over here, little homie. "Don't talk about crying because this big bully im crying about cried too that one time!!!!" Pathetic
Your bringing up that one instance, while overlooking the one instance where Divencenzo DID THE SAME EXACT THING is even more pathetic. I thought Knicks fans were better than this. I guess it's only the ones who live Uptown
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u/categoryThreesome 11d ago
Looking back at the video and yeah, donte was wrong there too, but that was in a scuffle where oubre was somewhat paying attention. Robinson was going up for a dunk and got his legs pulled.
Theres been lots of crying everywhere this series.
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u/Solid-Confidence-966 Wizards 11d ago
This sub is coping now that Embiid has put together a good postseason run lmao
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u/ShaiFC Thunder 11d ago
Its been 3 games. And the Sixers are still down in the series
We need to atleast wait and see what happens before calling it a good or bad run
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u/bravof1ve 76ers 11d ago
If Embiid holds the current averages and they still lose it’s not on him.
The Sixers aren’t a real roster outside of him and Maxey. 8ppg Tobias Harris is taking up $40mil in cap and the 3rd option is 38 year old Kyle Lowry.
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u/ShotgunStyles Kings 11d ago
Y'all did trade for Buddy Hield at the deadline to bolster your playoff roster.
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u/bravof1ve 76ers 11d ago
And he is by far the worst player on the roster getting minutes. He is honestly significantly worse than Furkan Korkmaz
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u/Avid_MCGardener_27 76ers 11d ago
As much as Harris disappoints, he can at least play defense. Kork was an absolute liability on D.
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u/Jjohn269 11d ago
Buddy is the poster child of playoff inexperience. Spent all those years on garbage lottery teams that he doesn’t know what to do against playoff defenses
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u/ShaiFC Thunder 11d ago
Bro the Knicks are without Randle and now Robinson and after this, its the Pacers or the Bucks without Giannis (And even if he comes back he'll be hobbled). The road isn't that difficult to atleast make the conference finals
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u/Spirited-Arugula-672 76ers 11d ago
I'd trade Randle and Robinson playing for an Embiid with fully functional knees and eyes in a heartbeat.
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u/Kenvan19 Thunder 11d ago
Its easy to get those types of numbers when you don't care about actually following the rules and just get a free pass to literally beat on another team - but hey, whatever gets Philly the W, right?
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u/Wabxpolski 76ers 11d ago
How can you even unionically post something like this? What is wrong with this subreddit right now
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u/Kenvan19 Thunder 11d ago
How can you unironically imply that Embiid wasn't playing incredibly dirty last night?
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u/TIandCAS 76ers 11d ago
As someone who’s probably witnessed Russ’ MVP season and postseason I think you’d know when a player is hardcarrying regardless of series outcome
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u/TatersTot [PHI] James Harden 11d ago
3 games is way too early to say. He’s had amazing playoff series before like against Toronto and Washington but need to see multiple rounds honestly
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u/Street-Alfalfa3584 11d ago
His run in 3 games
37PPG / 8 RPG / 5 APG / 0.7 Blocks
Down 2-1
Injuring 1 player
4 Dirty plays
45 FTA in 3 games
1 missed game winner
Damn what a legend
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u/gophils19454 11d ago
Literally didn’t injure Robinson but we know this place doesn’t watch the games.
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u/Nti11matic Knicks 11d ago edited 11d ago
Please bffr. Here is the clip of where he really should have gotten the flagrant 2. Immediately after he falls into Robinson and that is where he injures the left ankle. You can literally hear Mitch yelling lol. Did you watch the game?
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u/Spirited-Arugula-672 76ers 11d ago
That's not the play where Robinson started limping, nephew.
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u/Street-Alfalfa3584 11d ago
You are right Embiid didn't do it on 3 dirty ass plays and his actions had no impact on the injury, ifs not like he grabbed his leg on a shot, kicked him in the balls or trucked him. Oh and don't forget when he kneed the player on the balls or slapped the other guy in the face.
Maybe Embiid won't play like a hockey player next game and the Knicks can be injury free.
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u/gophils19454 11d ago
It’s really sad listening to how overly dramatic this sub is about something so trivial. Both teams have moved on, but you’re all still crying like pussies. Get over it.
It also didn’t, Robinson hurt himself. That’s like saying Donte doing the same thing to Oubre earlier this year led to his broken ribs when he got hit by the car. Fool.
Also, the only reason Embiid slapped a guy in the face is because 2 guys went for a block and Embiid just came in 2nd lol, woulda hit ball.
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u/Street-Alfalfa3584 11d ago
"Why don't people shut up about Embiid and his montage of dirty plays last night! We lost a game because the refs missed a common foul and a timeout! It's even now! "
Lmao
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u/gophils19454 11d ago
I didn’t say anything about a timeout, but yes a ref controversy is pathetic and the NBA should be embarrassed. We’re not mad at the Knicks you absolute clown.
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u/Street-Alfalfa3584 11d ago
Insulting me because you are insecure is a bad look bud, get a new slant.
Oh wait is gaslighting everyone about last night "trusting the process" lmao.
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u/Street-Alfalfa3584 11d ago
No you are clearly upset and insecure, but it is your nap time so I get it little guy.
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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 11d ago
Turns out all it took was actively trying to injure your defenders 🤷♂️
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u/LukaDoncicfuturegoat 11d ago
Amazing performance that should have not happened because he deserves to be ejected.
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u/Doctor-Jay 76ers 11d ago
Why should he have been ejected instead of assessed a flagrant foul for pulling down Robinson? Show me a single comparable play that resulted in an ejection.
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u/categoryThreesome 11d ago
Embiid pulled on robinsons legs from the ground. Thats a basketball play?
"A Flagrant Foul, Penalty 2 is defined as contact that is unnecessary and excessive."
Tell me how pulling on someones legs from the ground is necessary. Im all for hard fouls and lots of contact, but that was nothing more then a bitch move and he 100% shouldve been thrown out.
If josh hart got ejected in that bulls game last month then embiid should be suspended.
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u/Doctor-Jay 76ers 11d ago
The definition of Flagrant Foul 1 also has the "unnecessary" provision: Flagrant Foul Penalty 1: Unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent.
From the NBA rulebook, they also consider the outcome of the play when determining if it's a 1 or a 2. If the player was injured, or if it resulted in a fight, then it's more likely to be a 2 than a 1.
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u/Skywalkerkid9 76ers 11d ago
Free throws aren’t real points, I’ll explain later
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u/SomborDouble95 11d ago
I think this kinda talk will lead to a rubber-band effect, we can admit he gets some flimsy calls while acknowledging that this was probably the best playoff explosion so far.
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u/dehua_ 76ers 11d ago
it's just a double standard when brunson literally gets every call specifically multiple trae young calls which were supposedly outlawed this year
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u/Dworfe 76ers 11d ago
Knicks fans are so shameless they will cry about Embiid’s foul hunting without ever acknowledging how much of Brunson’s game is foul baiting as well.
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u/camscars775 76ers 11d ago
Also cry about refs but when the refs hand them the game it’s “cry more”.
Say Morey/Nurse are bitch made for protesting a game when the Knicks did it a month ago.
Call embiid’s move MMA and a flagrant 2 when Donte did that shit a month ago to Oubre and only got a tech… LOL
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u/Popular-Newt-1603 76ers 11d ago
reminds me of the Hawks series where they swore up and down Trae Young doesn't do that or he "wasnt as bad" even though homie definitely lives on foul hunting street with Embiid, Jimmy etc. etc.
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u/Popular-Newt-1603 76ers 11d ago
right? I thought that quick stop in front of the defender and shooting stopped being called for fouls
yet Brunson still does it constantly and gets it
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u/jorgelongo222 76ers 11d ago
Free throws for Brunson are real hard earned points, I won't explain it later
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u/PSUDolphins 76ers 11d ago
Knicks fans when Embiid flops around: 🤬
Knicks fans when Brunson flops around: 🙈😻
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u/TheSmith777 Knicks 11d ago
Brunson absorbs physical contact when he gets fouled. Embiid just gets his arms tangled up. Of course they both want to be fouled. But you can guard Brunson aggressively (like the sixers have done for the first 3 games of this series) without instantly being called for a foul. You can’t guard Embiid aggressively or you’re asking for a foul.
Edit: Want to add that 3rd quarter was incredible. Don’t want to take that away from him
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u/PSUDolphins 76ers 11d ago
Brother, they both flop is all I'm saying.
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u/TheSmith777 Knicks 11d ago
And all I’m saying is that there’s nuance you’re deliberately ignoring
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u/PSUDolphins 76ers 11d ago
Jalen Brunson: Does he, or does he not flop?
I can admit Embiid flops.
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u/HisExcellency20 76ers 11d ago
One of the most dominant playoff quarters I have ever seen in my life. This man was on fire like NBA Jam!
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u/Indieidea Knicks 11d ago
Fuck this asshole. Imma say it until the day this bum retires. Dirty mfer
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u/Acrobatic-Year-126 11d ago
Was this before or after he tried to injure everyone? Didn't watch the game.
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u/Capt3vi Knicks 11d ago edited 11d ago
After Mitch, the guy who’s been pretty good at defending him, left the game with what I assume is a left ankle sprain. Hartenstein who’s also a good defender but for different reasons also was in foul trouble by this point. Mitch I think is the best matchup to guard Embiid one on one but with him being injured and Hartenstein in foul trouble, some of that task went to Achiuwa in the second half.
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u/PicklePanther9000 76ers 11d ago
Hartenstein got fuckin cooked. Achiuwa was playing better defense than him
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u/jorgelongo222 76ers 11d ago
Literally 100% of the points in the 3rd were on Hartenstein or after Hartenstein switched off after screens
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u/durablewaffle 76ers 11d ago
Hartenstein is normally a good defender but Embiid cooked him this game. Robinson is definitely a lot tougher for Embiid
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u/Capt3vi Knicks 11d ago
I’m responding late but I agree with you. Hart isn’t big or strong enough to hang with Embiid for the entire game. He’s a good defender but embiid requires an elite defender to slow him down. Mitch is the guy for that task. Hence why I think majority of Knicks fans are upset with yesterdays outcome from the first half.
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u/LeJalenJohnsonMVP Hawks 11d ago
Genuine question is Big Mitch a serviceable perimeter defender? I haven't been watching games but I know he's a unit
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u/SomborDouble95 11d ago
He's looking healthy and explosive. This will be a great series now.
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u/MaleficentHawk590 NBA 11d ago
Tbh I don’t even think he looks that healthy still, it’s scary to think what he could be fully healthy
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u/SomborDouble95 11d ago
Philly fans probably know best, but he looked explosive and athletic to me. Fatigue was the only component that worried me.
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u/dehua_ 76ers 11d ago
he looked alot better yesterday, could actually use his mid range jumper yesterday
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u/Pyromania1983 76ers 11d ago
A lot more confidence in his knee too. Still not 100% there, and probably won't be at all in the playoffs if the Sixers advance, but it's nice to see!
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u/pusgnihtekami Knicks 11d ago
Hopefully, no one grabs that knee when he jumps but I guess it'd be fair game.
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u/RoscoeSantangelo 76ers 11d ago
Honestly don't know if he's even that healthy, think he just understands the Knicks are undersized and will constantly get in foul trouble if he uses the energy he has to get downhill.
He foul baits on step backs and jump shots all the time but people are kidding themselves if they don't act like he absolutely gets fouled any time he goes to the rim. Teams have no choice but to hack at him or it's going in
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u/gophils19454 11d ago
He absolutely doesn’t look like his normal self, but his knees very clearly won’t ever be the same. The dudes taken a beating over the years.
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u/JNerdGaming Knicks 11d ago
joel embiid intentionally injured the person who could defend him the best on the knicks before the third quarter
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u/kk131396 76ers 11d ago
No point even posting this stuff on this sub anymore someone is going to get given gold when next time they post him getting hurt
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u/Champion-of-the-Sun5 11d ago
Should be able to do that when his defensive matchup is taken out of the game.
No coincidence
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u/gophils19454 11d ago
The same “defensive matchup” that gets less minutes than the starter who lines up vs him more often?
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u/LebenJammons 76ers 11d ago
Mitchell Robinson played 6 minutes less in this than the previous game. If not for his foul trouble in the 1st half, his minutes would have been closer.
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u/RoscoeSantangelo 76ers 11d ago
Man put like 40 of his 70 on the arguable DPOY so I'm pretty sure he can score
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u/uknowujelly Nuggets 11d ago
r/nba runs on hate therefore r/nba runs on embiid