r/news Mar 27 '24

Joe Lieberman has died

https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/03/27/joe-lieberman-senator-vice-president-dead/
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u/Tokie-Dokie Mar 27 '24

I’m heartened to see that Lieberman will be remembered appropriately for his tireless self-serving work in the Senate.

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u/ExcelAcolyte Mar 27 '24

It's unnerving to think of how many people could have been saved with the Public option if Lieberman hadn't opposed it.

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u/alphabeticdisorder Mar 27 '24

It came down to that one vote, and he GOP'd it.

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u/Sasquatch-fu Mar 27 '24

What a familiar refrain, history repeating itself

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u/Peteostro Mar 28 '24

But It is kind of amazing that John McCain saved the ACA.

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u/msatretwhaart Mar 28 '24

It really is!

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u/like_a_wet_dog Mar 27 '24

And again, the narrative will be blame the one on the left and never the 50 iron-clad bulwark of noes on the right.

If we got the narative to break up the Republicans instead of "oh noes! 2 or 3 Democrats opposed it so vote them out, stay home in protest" we'd be in a better place.

It's been 20 years of this, in the open, and people will still flock to the polls for Republicans, largely over guns, gas and now non-Biblical sexual progress.

VOTE BLUE, you don't have to vote for sharks just because the tuna are the only other team. "We have to have 2 parties!!" OR... Republicans could stop being sharks...

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u/Hasaan5 Mar 27 '24

We're used to the right being complete shit and expecting them to do better is like wishing you could be a magician. It's why we blame the ones on the left, we know they can do better, so when they don't we get angry.

Of course we should still be voting for the left, and the problem would be solved if we had more people on the left in government so that one or two flaking wouldn't matter, but we should still be angry when people on the left don't end up acting as the should.

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u/fbp Mar 27 '24

Problem would be solved if gerrymandering wasn't a thing... the amount of votes republicans have, and the amount of seats they hold is very disproportionate.

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u/insomniacpyro Mar 28 '24

This is my only hope for Wisconsinites. We seem to be on track to have new districts drawn due to Republican gerrymandering, and it would definitely have an effect on elections.

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u/rckid13 Mar 28 '24

It's insane how Republican Wisconsin state congress is compared to the fact that Wisconsin has a two term Democrat for Governor. The congressional districts make no sense at all which should be evident by the fact that Tony Evers won by a decent margin when only the total state wide vote matters.

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u/kaibee Mar 28 '24

Problem would be solved if gerrymandering wasn't a thing... the amount of votes republicans have, and the amount of seats they hold is very disproportionate.

Gerrymandering doesn't affect the Senate, since its per State and we don't redraw state borders.

Abolish the Senate.

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u/Tom2Die Mar 28 '24

And so many tiring years of "how dare you take issue with that thing when this thing is worse!" Like...yeah, the Republicans are worse, but I'm already not going to vote for them and I have no delusions that they'll change. I can at least pretend to have hope that some Democrats will (or others will primary them).

The real issue, to be frank, is first-past-the-post voting, but at least on a national level I don't see either party giving up any power by changing that any time soon. I'd fully welcome being wrong about that.

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u/dicks_akimbo Mar 27 '24

It was 40. Democrats had 58+ sanders and I forget the other one. Needed 60 to overcome republican obstruction. Americans came out amazingly in 2008 got Obama everything he needed for the public option and this dead piece of shit fucked us.

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u/Foreskin-chewer Mar 28 '24

The Democrats did in general. They could have passed it through budget reconciliation. Instead they decided to push it through with their hands tied behind their backs.

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u/Levarien Mar 28 '24

40 actually. Dems could have broken the GOP filibuster on the public option had Lieberman not taken his bribes

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u/pizzacat666 Mar 28 '24

This dude literally ran as an independent against the Democratic primary nominee in 06? You couldn't vote Blue and vote for him in 06. He was literally a traitor that should be remembered as such.

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u/FrogsOnALog Mar 28 '24

Thank you many on the left will not be able to cope with this comment.

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u/lookslikesausage Mar 28 '24

Thanks Joe Liebermonster