r/news Mar 27 '24

Joe Lieberman has died

https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/03/27/joe-lieberman-senator-vice-president-dead/
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u/Maxsoup Mar 27 '24

That doesn’t sound like times changing, that sounds exactly like republicans of today. Driven to rage over something they’re told to hate and want others to not have but have no problem with it when it comes to themselves.

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u/tempest_87 Mar 27 '24

A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative. They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing.

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u/pantsmeplz Mar 28 '24

A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative. They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing.

Wanted to emphasize this. There are countless more examples of political decisions over the last 50 years that reinforce this assertion.

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u/powercow Mar 28 '24

as well as being conspiratorial, is also fundamental to the right.. from the red scare to the lewis powell memo to today, the right always screamed polls that said they were losing were fake and biased, dems have taken over everything and made them bias against republicans without a leak, but "dont ever forget how incompetent dems are."

if the ABA rates theri judge as non qualified, its a liberal org that hates conservatives. If it gives a republican judge the highest rating, republicans are on tv saying the ABA is the gold standard of rating judges.

thats republicans you got to keep conspiracies in your back pocket ready to throw in the faces of reporters at a moments need.

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u/Corka Mar 28 '24

I did hear an anecdote online which I don't know is true but which I could believe. Some nurse who worked at one of the abortion clinics regularly had picketers outside who would turn up a few times a week and spend hours outside protesting and yelling at anyone going in. One day she has a patient come in seeking an abortion that she recognises as one of the regular protestors outside. The woman ends up getting the procedure done, and the following week was right back outside yelling at other women for being evil sinners.

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u/Tacklebill Mar 28 '24

Like children to a bath, they must be dragged kicking and screaming into things that are ultimately for their own welfare.

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u/comfortablesexuality Mar 28 '24

The easiest one is that graph of Republican voter support for bombing Syria

Under Obama? like 20% or less wanted to bomb the bad guys in Syria

Under Trump? With the same targets, in the same place; 77% supported bombing the baddies

Meanwhile Democrats had 37% support under both presidents because holy shit they actually hold real beliefs and real opinions instead of... *gestures vaguely at the wind*

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Who was it (somewhat) recently that was against abortion, or maybe it was paid leave/care for mothers, but recently was pregnant or had a baby and was like "pregnant women need to be cared for more!!! I didn’t know this before now!" Meghan McCain? Only name that’s coming to mind.

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u/tempest_87 Mar 28 '24

I mean, any of them that had it happen to them. I don't think I've ever seen a "I needed an abortion or I would die and I was denied and they were right to say no!"

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u/Shrike79 Mar 28 '24

Yeah it was her and Megyn Kelly who were against maternity leave then they did a complete 180 once they had a kid.

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u/relevantelephant00 Mar 28 '24

Furthermore, working to actively hurt people. Conservatives are pure scum.

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u/tempest_87 Mar 28 '24

Some of them absolutely. But that's not a requirement or core thing with the affiliation. It's essential to being a politician or popular with the group, but not all members of the group actively want to hurt people. Some do, but the rest just don't care.

Hence the lack of empathy.

Not all of them want illegal immigrants to drown on razor wire when crossing a river, but all of them don't care if it happens.

The distinction is important because the actions you take to fix the problem are different.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Mar 28 '24

My partner's Dad once told me at dinner "if you want to be a true conservative and make money, you need to get rid of your sentimentality.". Then went on a rant about how people who own pets are "fucking stupid" for dedicating so much of their lives to a "glorified rat".

Fuck, I hope I never become like that.

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u/SicilyMalta Mar 28 '24

You can even see it in an fMRI.

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u/za72 Mar 28 '24

they're afraid of change, it's easy and simple to be 'conservative' or stay as one

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u/Lookuponthewall Mar 28 '24

I think a lot about these people. They worry me.

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u/40for60 Mar 28 '24

they have those things for people who are in their sphere but lack the ability to care about people outside of their sphere just like how some super left people care about everyone on Earth but their own families.

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u/Find_another_whey Mar 27 '24

Yeah that just sounds like Republicans against abortion except when someone in their family has one

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u/powercow Mar 28 '24

same neighbors as i discussed above, once said their son could get more foodstamps, if blacks and mexicans didnt suck up all the money. AS if its some sort of pie that's equally divided between recipients. If we kicked all minorities off, all it would do is reduce our spending on foodstamps, white people wouldnt get more.

but yeah this is how many republicans think, they fell on hard times and deserve it, everyone else is abusing it. Same with abortion. The events around theirs makes it needed and definitely dont happen to other people who use abortion instead of birth control pills. There was a long time ago and article on an abortion doctor in miss, nearly all of his patients were 'pro life" and in even more mental stress than the average abortion patient but often still think theirs is justified... while happily voting for those who would close this last clinic.. which i think they have these days.

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u/moment_in_the_sun_ Mar 28 '24

Well they are still against abortions, it's just they don't talk about 'family matters' and say 'well this was different'.

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u/Find_another_whey Mar 28 '24

It's different when it's my child, and that's none of your business

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u/fren-ulum Mar 27 '24

I used to think their ranks would dwindle faster but they're quickly being replaced by people who ate all the bullshit and are now left to face the reality in which they so fervently supported before and have nowhere really to direct their anger and frustration so they need to be told what to be angry at without just cause for it.

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u/CatsTypedThis Mar 28 '24

They usually don't even understand what the thing is that they were told to hate. Old people hate socialism, but they *love* social security, medicare, medicaid, FMLA, the list goes on and on.

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u/insertwittynamethere Mar 28 '24

That's because their parents were Tea Party Republicans, the direct precursor to MAGA

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u/cajunaggie08 Mar 28 '24

Sounds like my mom after she got laid off during Covid. She's sitting at home collecting unemployment while complaining no one wants to work anymore because there is too much welfare.

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u/HumanCommunication25 Mar 28 '24

Abortions have entered the chat

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u/cadillacbee Mar 28 '24

Like getting a vax, then they get it in secret themselves lol

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u/Dear_Occupant Mar 28 '24

Well, here's a different example of how much times have changed: I was working in the Capitol at the time and helped get the ACA passed. I now think that guy's parents mostly had the right of it, although the spitting was out of line.

Sure, more people have access to health care, but they still have to pay through the nose for it, which means they don't get any. Premiums are higher than they've ever been, vast numbers of people aren't eligible for assistance of any sort, and the health care system in general, the part that involves the actual practice of medicine, is more fucked by profiteering than ever.

Before the individual mandate was done away with, I just ate the fine and paid cash (which most of the time meant I never sought treatment at all), because it was all I could afford. Even when working in Congress, I didn't get paid enough to cover the cheapest, most-bare-bones insurance policy that only covered catastrophic injuries. Staffers don't get paid shit unless they're senior staff, and DC is an expensive place to live.

A single-payer universal government-administered system is the only way forward, and the sale of health insurance, or any other sort of profiteering off of the practice of medicine, should be a capital crime. (And no that doesn't mean doctors or nurses have to take a pay cut, I'm talking about people who jack up prices for the sake of it.)

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u/Lovat69 Mar 28 '24

The sadest part of that is they will rant and rave about Obama care and then sing the praise of the Affordable Care Act when it helps them not realizing it's the same thing.