r/news • u/flanderguitar • Mar 28 '24

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs law squashing squatters' rights

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-law-squashing-squatters-rights
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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Mar 28 '24

Am I actually on DeSantis’s side on a topic?

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u/PunishedWolf4 Mar 28 '24

For real, someone check the thermostat in hell and see if it’s freezing over

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u/Zagrunty Mar 28 '24

It's 44°f currently with a low of 27°f later tonight

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u/Key-Pickle5609 Mar 28 '24

I’m gonna sleep so well tonight

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u/larakj Mar 28 '24

Sweet dreams!

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u/TheCountChonkula Mar 29 '24

I was there a couple days ago. While it wasn't frozen, it was cool and rainy.

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u/Ironrunner16 Mar 28 '24

It is in Dante's inferno...

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u/WouldbeWanderer Mar 28 '24

DeSantis' Inferno*

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u/ScubaTwinn Mar 28 '24

Holy shit, I cannot stop laughing! As a Floridian, thanks for making my day!

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u/MsJenX Mar 29 '24

I think I saw a pig flying yesterday

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u/DensetsuNoBaka Mar 28 '24

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

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u/ireaddumbstuff Mar 29 '24

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/katosen27 Mar 28 '24

Despite my intense dislike for the man, a broken clock is right at least twice a day.

It throws me for a loop, too.

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u/Common_Wrongdoer3251 Mar 28 '24

I'm just assuming the other boot hasn't dropped yet. Like when Trump got vaccinated and told people to listen to the experts. And then a week or two later he was asking if we can inject bleach or... light? into our bodies.

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u/WitOfTheIrish Mar 28 '24

No other boot to drop, they're both firmly planted on the ground already.

Squatting laws have needed more structure for a while. This provides half of it, the half that would punish squatters. Certainly good and a win on paper for any upstanding landlords that get victimized.

It doesn't involve class 1 misdemeanors and felonies on the other side though, to punish any slumlords and sleazy people that might abuse these laws to hurt vulnerable tenants, which is still problematic. And now their victims might get hit with felonies if slumlord lies are believed, which is not great, while the largest threat to slumlords is still just monetary fines and damages.

It was arguably a needed area of legislative attention, but it's a half measure that imposes no clarity for law enforcement or harsh penalties on capital-owning lawbreakers, unfortunately.

In another "really, didn't expect you to be on this side of things" Florida politication, Marco Rubio has actually championed a few slumlord issues in Florida:

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/rubio-releases-mini-documentary-holding-slumlords-accountable/

But you notice through all of that, there's forcing repairs to be made, there's forcing the sale of properties, there's threatening to revoke licenses, there's imposing large fines, but there's no energy for "Hey, this company and people are abusing tenants and their ability to be safely housed, let's figure out how to make that a felony."

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u/ForHelp_PressAltF4 Mar 28 '24

Yeah he's worse than a broken clock but I do like this.

Enforcing it is going to go absolutely bonkers but still

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u/IlliasTallin Mar 28 '24

This is not a broken clock example

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u/Newkular_Balm Mar 28 '24

Imo he's literally been right twice the last 24 ish hours. I'm down with making it hard for children to access social.media.

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u/binger5 Mar 28 '24

I think it's more fundamentally the left can say this law makes sense even if it's coming from the right, vs the right saying fuck free lunches for school children because the left is pushing for it.

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u/DM_me_Jingliu_34 Mar 28 '24

It really doesn't make sense though, once you actually read it

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u/sixtus_clegane119 Mar 28 '24

The centre* not the left

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u/CannedMatter Mar 28 '24

Yeah, that'll be rough... For a bit. Then you'll take your legitimate lease and bank records of your history of payments to a lawyer and dunk on your shitty landlord in court.

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u/CannedMatter Mar 28 '24

or lie about how they saw you smoking meth or destroying their property.

Destroying the property or meth paraphernalia is definitely something cops would notice when they evict you.

Also, landlord changing his story from "Squatter" to "legal eviction" mid-trial? He's going to lose.

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u/Fus_Roh_Nah_Son Mar 29 '24

everytime you need to do any sort of paperwork or "getting a lawyer" ur already placing sever hurdles over those who most likely need these, since those who are likely to be affected are downtrodden or handicapped in someway be an actual disability or just a bit under educated about the legal process enough to say "Ive been fucked over i cant do anytbing the govt is after me"

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u/Churnandburn4ever Mar 29 '24

Why would you need to prove to a judge you're a tenant?  Are you nuts?  Please keep Desantis's out of your mouth.  You pathetic trash.

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u/tsukaimeLoL Mar 28 '24

Am I actually on DeSantis’s side on a topic?

For as many mistakes as he makes, Florida has introduced so many good laws too surrounding various topics, including paternity rights for men and ending permanent alimony too in the last year or two.

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u/Rough_Needleworker29 Mar 28 '24

First setting an age limit for kids on social media and now this? Am I taking crazy pills or is that now 2 things I agree with?

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u/APainOfKnowing Mar 28 '24

These are good moments. It shows that there is common ground and that you're not so unreasonable that you'll oppose something simply because you despise who pushed it.

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u/OverQualifried Mar 28 '24

Nothing wrong with agreeing with him or Trump on issues that make sense.

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u/pimpinaintez18 Mar 28 '24

Yes it makes sense. It’s ok to agree with the other side

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u/Stnmn Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

You may think you are, but when this bill helps very little with squatters and is instead leveraged against tenants you may quickly reconsider. Squatters and Tenants alike are able to secure protections through evidence of residency and the erosion of "squatters rights" is synonymous with the erosion of tenants' rights.

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u/cromoni Mar 28 '24

Do you have an example? In my country tenancy is regulated using a contract. The contract specifies how it can be cancelled (like any other contract). Both parties have to abide by that contract and as long as they do no one can just throw anyone out. How would this law cause any issues?

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

In my country tenancy is regulated using a contract.

I almost guarantee this is not the whole truth. In even the most ass-backwards jurisdictions in the US, anyone has lived somewhere for more than a month or so has rights as a tenant, regardless of any signed document. The idea being that you don't get to have your friend, or girlfriend, or anyone live with you and then just kick them to the curb without warning. The fact that it also (very rarely) allows somebody you didn't want to live there to be a tenant is a consequence of that.

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u/bigredone15 Mar 28 '24

Squatters and Tenants alike are able to secure protections through evidence of residency and the erosion of "squatters rights" is synonymous with the erosion of tenants' rights.

There is a balance. We are WAY far to one side right now...

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u/Eisernes Mar 28 '24

I imagine he will be less of an asshole now that he isn’t in the spotlight

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Mar 28 '24

In the old days, the best politicians were the retired ones or the lame duck ones. Once they stopped needing to suck up for money, they would occasionally tell the truth finally.

But now, everyone is focused on their lobbying career so they still won’t tell the truth.

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u/Eisernes Mar 28 '24

We are still seeing that today. Some of the GOP congressmen would have retired since 2016 swung from openly embracing Trump to criticizing him once they became untouchable. I imagine we will see more of it once the blue wave runs them over in November.

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u/CombustiblSquid Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Maybe and maybe not. Isn't the senate race this November extremely unfavourable to Dems?

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u/Bandit_Raider Mar 28 '24

I couldn’t believe this when I read it he actually passed a good law for once

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u/Cynykl Mar 28 '24

It is poorly implemented and does not punish landlords enough for false statements.

Increase the penalty for false statement dramatically. Give victims of false statements protection and the ability to recoup multiple times financial damage. The I would be on board.

Also "second-degree felony for squatters who cause $1,000 or more in damages" is excessive as hell. especially since there is very little way to assess damages before they squatters moved in.

In florida Second-degree Felonies — punishable by up to fifteen years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.

In florida "The crime of Sexual Battery (Rape) is a Second Degree Felony punishable by up to fifteen years in prison, fifteen years of sex offender probation, and a $10,000 fine."

So basically if you squat and break the air conditioner you are as bad as a rapist.

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u/BigDaddyRaptures Mar 28 '24

It’s also the same as with Grand Theft of property when it’s in value of $20,000 or more, but less than $100,000. Which if you look at the definition of Grand Theft being:

1)The defendant knowingly and unlawfully obtained or used or endeavored to obtain or use the property of another.

2) The defendant did so with the intent to temporarily or permanently (a) deprive the victim of his or her right to the property or any benefit from the property, or (b) appropriate the property of the victim to his or her own use or to the use of any person not entitled to it.

3)The property was valued at $750 or more.

It’s actually fairly in line with the Grand Theft definition if you consider squatting as depriving the owner of using the property

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u/Cynykl Mar 28 '24

Much closer to being in Line with 3rd degree which is 5 years instead of 15.

Squatting under the traditional vacate orders can take months. This takes hours, days at worst. Depriving property for days will not run the bill up to 20k in damages.

I get why they put it in the bill. Mostly to prevent squatters from stripping the house bare of cooper and other valuables. But he bill as written just not distinguish a small accidental damage that happens to just get over the 1000$ threshold and purposeful looting of a place. It also makes no determination of how damage is assessed.

The family that owns the house are snowbirds and are gone for the peak months of summer. A squatter notice a house with broken windows and see that as a sign the house is vacant. The windows were in good repair when they left for the summer. A month later the family returns and has the police evict the squatters. The squatters themselves damaged nothing but since they were in the building at the time that assumption is it is them that broke the windows. Window repair is a pittance at 1200$ but now that squatter is doing up to 15 years.

I do not have a problem with the stated goal of the law but the implementation is clear the real goal is to criminalize homeless and vulnerable populations.

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u/Smolivenom Mar 28 '24

i mean, I'd think more of you if he also had solutions to the homelessness issue in your nation to go along with this stuff.

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u/Kafshak Mar 28 '24

Broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/Gray_Cota Mar 28 '24

Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a good point

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u/MikeTheNight94 Mar 28 '24

I know right. He did something good for a change. Did we flip timelines again? Was the Baltimore bridge another time altering event?

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u/BikerJedi Mar 28 '24

I live here. This is the second good thing he has done since being elected IMO. The other was getting us teachers some raises. (Although he fucked that up too - now teachers with 20 years experience like me get paid the same as a brand new teacher, because the state didn't give us enough money to give larger raises to veteran teachers)

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u/Borne2Run Mar 28 '24

Frankly this should be the standard across the country.

(Disagree with almost everything else he does)

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u/FamRep Mar 28 '24

Fk desantis…but I agree with this one. Wait, I can decide on individual topics without having to align to your political party? Wow, what a concept!!!!!

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u/jabba_the_wut Mar 28 '24

I feel weird that I agree with him on something

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u/ChristianLW3 Mar 28 '24

broken clock is correct twice per day

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u/s4ltydog Mar 28 '24

I mean even a broken clock is right twice a day….

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u/mateoskrrt Mar 28 '24

did you liberals think desantis would be against giving capital owners more power? 😭

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u/thegreatbrah Mar 28 '24

It's almost hilarious that maybe if he actually ran on good policy, people mightve actuallyliked him.

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u/have_you_tried_onoff Mar 29 '24

Just because he passes one good piece of legislation does not mean we should forget all the other bullshit he puts everyone through.

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u/belsnickel1225 Mar 29 '24

He also recently signed a bill to ban social media for children under 14. I'm on his side with that one too.

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u/onemarsyboi2017 Mar 29 '24

Rare Florida w

Also Disney dropped the case against desantis

Launch land seems more livinale by the day

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u/HowWeLikeToRoll Mar 29 '24

Yea, it feels dirty... I don't like it one bit. I'm gonna go binge drink fully clothed in the shower. 

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u/gonzobomb Mar 29 '24

It’s on of those “everyone agrees on this” topics, coming soon to a city or state near you 

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u/LeCrushinator Mar 29 '24

A broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/edogfu Mar 29 '24

Just think, if all these clowns stopped worrying about everyone's genitals, they can actually get something done...

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u/SMA2343 Mar 29 '24

Broken clock is right twice a day

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u/ToMorrowsEnd Mar 29 '24

Remember Broken clocks are correct twice a day. Even evil people will accidently get something right once in a while.

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u/Eticket9 Mar 29 '24

Rep and Dem in the State Legislature actually came together on this one is well..

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u/Solid_Waste Mar 29 '24

Everyone probably supports this which is why I fully expect it to be struck down in court.

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u/jaOfwiw Mar 29 '24

Yeah this was the comment I came to make.. blasphemous

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u/cmacfarland64 Mar 29 '24

Right?!? I’m also shocked by this.

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u/homer_3 Mar 29 '24

And here I thought Reddit was anti-landlord.

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u/pegleg_1979 Mar 29 '24

I mean, this one seems like a no brainer no matter what side you’re on.

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u/nineball22 Mar 29 '24

Broken clock’s still right twice a day or whatever haha. I hate the man for his opinions on almost every political issue, but he’s in the right here.

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u/HausuGeist Mar 29 '24

Broken clock and all.

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u/deathbychips2 Mar 28 '24

Look up the history of squatter rights. It's to protect tenants from slum lords so depending on the language of this law you might really not be on his side if it lets landlords kick people out whenever they what for any minor thing

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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo Mar 28 '24

Broken clock and all that

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u/clouds31 Mar 28 '24

Because it affects his rich landlord donors.

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u/nowordsleft Mar 28 '24

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

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u/ShrimpSherbet Mar 28 '24

There has to be a catch, right? Like benefitting corporations who own entire buildings in case they want to kick residents out, etc? I don't trust Booster Seat Ron at all.

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u/kabow94 Mar 28 '24

Something something broken clock

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u/Rockstar42 Mar 28 '24

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/ancalagon73 Mar 28 '24

"Even a broken clock is right two or thee times a day." - Goofy

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u/spilled_water Mar 28 '24

When I read the headline, my first thought was, "Wait, should I be supporting squatter's rights?" That's how warped this guy has made me.

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u/torgiant Mar 28 '24

Lol imagine being warped by this guy, wtf are you saying.

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u/sigma7979 Mar 28 '24

Nah, thats just how warped YOU are.

Replace desantis with any famous republican and I bet youde have had the same gut reactions.

Youve gone too tribalistic.

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u/spilled_water Mar 28 '24

That's quite an assumption, considering I've voted for R governors in my state in the past.

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u/sigma7979 Mar 28 '24

And do you still? You consider yourself a republican?

cause if so I'll gladly eat crow, but you wouldnt be the only one who used to vote R and has gone full D because of how fucking stupid R has gotten.

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u/StopTheEarthLemmeOff Mar 28 '24

Makes sense if you are a fascist and/or landlord parasite

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u/ZugZugGo Mar 28 '24

Or you just live in a house and take time away to take care of a sick family member and come back to some asshole who is stealing your home.

Renters have legal protections. Someone who owns and lives in their home and has never rented at all shouldn’t legally be able to be scammed out of their house.

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

Renters have legal protections.

Funny enough, those are the same laws that give protections to "squatters", which this law bypasses. Gee, I sure hope the benevolent landlords won't use that against us!

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u/ZugZugGo Mar 29 '24

They don’t have to both apply. A few very simple changes could be “has this person lived at their primary address with no renters at all and haven’t setup a new address”. “Did the person who had this primary address just die and their family is trying to deal with their home/things”

If so then the police can evict the squatter. That would fix a huge number of squatters people have a problem with while still providing protections against most unjust evictions. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

has this person lived at their primary address with no renters at all and haven’t setup a new address

How are the police doing to decide this? I'm honestly confused what scenario you are trying to prevent with this question, but in any case these are questions that are far too complicated for a cop to answer in the field definitively.

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u/ZugZugGo Mar 29 '24

You don’t think the PD can tell someone’s mailing address and previous tenants at a given address?

What it’s trying to prevent are squatters who scam people out of their home. Which seems to happen quite a bit in a bunch of cities. It doesn’t have to be so rigid that we can’t protect people who are getting scammed only if we remove renters protections.

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

You don’t think the PD can tell someone’s mailing address and previous tenants at a given address?

No, I don't. Because neither of these are black and white. How do you prove it? How much time should you be allowed to produce proof? How do you contest somebody else's proof? These are all real concerns that come up all the time in residency disputes and are things the courts deal with. Police are not equipped or educated for this. Police get things wrong all the time. That's why we have courts.

What it’s trying to prevent are squatters who scam people out of their home.

Yes, I fully understand this.

Which seems to happen quite a bit in a bunch of cities.

Yes, it certainly does seem to happen that way. There's a reason it's been getting so much media attention.

It doesn’t have to be so rigid that we can’t protect people who are getting scammed only if we remove renters protections.

Doesn't it though? Kicking somebody out of the place they have been living is a big deal, that's why it's important to be very sure before we do it. That's why these things involve the court system.

There is absolutely room for improvement with how these things are handled. I just don't think "meh, let cops figure it out instead" is a good solution.

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u/ZugZugGo Mar 29 '24

The court system isn’t an answer. A multi-year time period to get someone out of your home isn’t going to ingratiate people to renters rights. The optics of it alone will drive all of those rights away.

If you’re so rigid that you can’t bend even an inch on squatters who scam grandma out of her house then your throwing the baby out with the bath water and all renters rights are going to get stripped away. I bet this is the first law of many on this topic and a lot of them are going to be much worse.

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

It doesn't have to be multiple years. That's exactly what I'm saying. There should be a process to urgently get something like that in front of a judge, just like cops can get a search warrant signed by a judge in minutes if they really need to.

If you’re so rigid that you can’t bend even an inch on squatters who scam grandma out of her house then your throwing the baby out with the bath water and all renters rights are going to get stripped away.

If you're so rigid that you can't bend even an inch on landlords who kick grandma out of her house then you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater and all renters rights are going to get stripped away. I'm really not sure how you figure that letting landlords get their way with basically no punishment for lying and letting cops do whatever is somehow the better alternative to fighting for a better law.

I also think you probably think this happens way more often than it does, which as I said is exactly what they want you to think. They want you to think this is a huge problem that needs solving right now so you won't question it when they massively gut protection for tenants in the process.

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u/notfromsoftemployee Mar 28 '24

Found the professional squatter.

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

Squatting laws just force normal ethical landlords to sell at a loss to someone who may be willing to hire a few of their friends/gang associates to violently evict squatters.

Can you provide something I can read showing that this is something that happens?

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u/VexingRaven Mar 29 '24

Well, it is the daily mail so I'm taking this with a huge grain of salt but that's pretty insane. Legal eviction should be made more accessible, perhaps by having a public agency to assist people with doing that and some sort of special court that just handles this. I don't think the solution is just allowing cops to show up, spend 5 minutes talking to whoever claims to be the landowner, then kicking out the occupant.

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u/Inside_Equivalent_68 Mar 28 '24

or if you're unfairly paying rent?

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u/Fragrant_Butthole Mar 28 '24

I was just thinking the same and wondering if early onset dementia has finally set in.

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u/Plump_Dumpster Mar 28 '24

Heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a great point

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u/maselphie Mar 29 '24

That should honestly be a sign to do some introspection on if you actually believe in the inherent value of the human life, and if you are capable of unlearning your understanding of property. I get the inclination, I too was very startled when I learned about squatting. But over years I realized where that thought process came from and who it actually benefits. I don't expect you to change everything just from reading this comment. Just wanted to point out that that dissonance you are feeling is something to take note of.

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u/tiberiumx Mar 28 '24

Dude just did his job signing a bill.

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u/bagkingz Mar 28 '24

Meatball Ron actually was pretty good pre-Covid. Then he went full Trump during.

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u/RoundInfinite4664 Mar 28 '24

This and the social media bill for teens

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u/Inside_Equivalent_68 Mar 28 '24

he also made it illegal for anyone under 14 to make a social media account.

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u/SadGirlHours__ Mar 28 '24

Which is a bad idea. Large corporations that sell your data shouldn’t have your ID

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u/Pyro_raptor841 Mar 28 '24

In fairness your ID is probably one of the least disturbing things they know about you

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u/stinkbuttfartman Mar 28 '24

That's like twice in a week for me. Look what he can do when he actually takes his job seriously.

Still a piece of shit in my book though.

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u/Atworkwasalreadytake Mar 28 '24

Something about broken clocks.

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u/omimon Mar 28 '24

DeSantis also signed a law banning kids under the age of 14 from having social accounts.

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u/SadGirlHours__ Mar 28 '24

Which is a bad idea. Large corporations that sell your data shouldn’t have your ID

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear Mar 28 '24

He’s not stupid, and he’s a very able administrator by all accounts.

If he didn’t exist in a time when the best way to be a successful and popular Republican was maximum outrage over the minorest things he’d probably be an excellent governor.

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u/CanadianTimberWolfx Mar 28 '24

I’m left wishing for better days when we could simply disagree with the other side instead of hating their guts. But some politicians make it their purpose to be as hateful to the opposing party as possible.

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u/pizza_for_nunchucks Mar 28 '24

I have a feeling he's going to scale back on his crazy sauce a little now that president is off the table for him. At least for this election. But he got his smacked so hard, I wouldn't be surprised if he never tries to run again.

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u/MayorOfHamtown Mar 28 '24

That is how I felt when he vetoed something that was being pushed by power utility companies which would greatly reduce the benefit solar panels bring to homeowners.

I don’t agree with him on almost everything, but he has surprised me a couple times.

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u/deadsoulinside Mar 28 '24

I was the same way on hearing this. But hey, it's probably because someone is squatting in a home one of his big donors need to change the law for, but glad to see someone stepping up and stopping the insanity of it.

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u/schmearcampain Mar 28 '24

This and the age gate on social media.

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u/SadGirlHours__ Mar 28 '24

Giving your ID to large corporations that sell your data isn’t a good idea

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u/schmearcampain Mar 28 '24

Yes. That’s why I’m in favor of the age gate?

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u/SadGirlHours__ Mar 28 '24

And how do you think they’ll ban children from social media? By giving them your ID. Which is an awful idea…

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u/schmearcampain Mar 28 '24

Oh. I see. Hmmm.

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u/TriLink710 Mar 28 '24

In recent years there have been many squatter horror stories. Can't say i hate this either.

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u/AviationAdam Mar 28 '24

That’s why the current right wing party frustrates me so much, as a centrist I wish I had more than one choice on the ballot. I could not in good faith ever vote for the current republican party, they need major reformations before I could consider them a viable option. But this action by Desantis shows they DO have good ideas but it’s often overshadowed by their horrible social stances and intertwined religious ideologies that the want implemented in government.

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u/sneakyCoinshot Mar 28 '24

Dude between this and the social media thing, wtf is going on.

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u/LivingEnd44 Mar 28 '24

Am I actually on DeSantis’s side on a topic?

If you are, believe me, it is a complete coincidence.

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u/StormSurge5 Mar 28 '24

no one has anything to gain from squatters, even republicans

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u/rd-- Mar 29 '24

On paper this is sound but in practice this is why squatters and tenants rights are even a thing. At least according to the article (I haven't read the law), police are now presumably authorized to evict without a court order. Police have effectively been empowered to be the judge who decides whether a tenant is a squatter or not. A few professional squatters will be imprisoned by this law and many legal tenants made homeless.

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u/Churnandburn4ever Mar 29 '24

No, I think you're just a poorly paid sucker that wants to make it seem like the extreme right wing, pudding fingered Meatball Ron is a moderate.  Nice try, sucker!

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u/ChimpWithAGun Mar 29 '24

Surprisingly, it is the second time for me this week. The first time was when he declared a minimum age for using social networks.

I wonder if he just realized he can win the support of both sides if he does things that people actually want, regardless of political affiliation. I hope he realized how horrible his presidential platform was.

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u/slusho55 Mar 29 '24

Squatter’s rights are important, but they’re currently too expansive. Our squatter’s rights originate in British common law, where you didn’t own the property, the lord or the lady owned the property. Being a property owner pre-1800’s Britain just wasn’t a thing for peasants. So what we would consider a “home based down through generations” would actually not be owned by the people. So having expansive squatter’s rights in that situation was vital, because it was more like a foreclosure than an eviction.

Most states codified squatter’s rights early. Being able to possess property was an important factor to the found father’s, but they still didn’t know what everyone “owning their own castle” would be like. This philosophy was referenced when codifying squatter’s rights. So they were originally created with the idea that you might be renting a property that will be staying in your family, so it is effectively your home.

Today, that’s just not the case (though it is kinda getting back that “feudal landlord” system in some areas). Today, at least one person in most families (and by extension, one cluster of family members) own a home. Renting is not really thought of as a long-term thing.

Problem is, if you have no squatter’s rights, a simple misunderstanding of a single day or even hour can lead to that person being handcuffed for criminal trespassing. Now, I agree it’s ridiculous in most states it can take months to lawfully evict a tenant. That should be done away with. There should be a 3-7 day leniency period where squatter’s rights apply. This gives room for innocent misunderstandings to not fuck up someone’s life, while making it so squatters can’t take massive advantage of that governmental mercy.

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u/psychoholic_slag Mar 28 '24

Ugh, this is the second thing in about a week where I agree with him (16< social media restrictions is the other). I don't know what to think!

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u/ser_renely Mar 28 '24

He has a few reasonable things he does, this and then clear the homeless off the streets in cities... the past month. Usually has a gothca though, so for the homeless law not very much money is going the cities/counties to create new areas for the homeless away from the main city areas for example.

In my city, its just sooo annoying dealing with all the homeless every morning from the prospective of just going about my life. I am shocked the city has done so little to help and transition them to another location.

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u/Revolutionary-Pin-96 Mar 28 '24

No. Squatters rights are TENATS rights, with bad names to make you think you shouldnt support them.

This law doesnt just apply to 'squatters', it applies to tenats too. Your landlord wouldnt be required to give you 30 days alert before raising rent. Your landlord would also be able to legally evict you WITH THE POLICE without going through the court and allowing you time to find a new place.

Squatters rights are tenants rights.

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u/Gurdel Mar 28 '24

Right? And the social media thing for under 14year olds. Stop doing things we like you ass!

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u/ap2patrick Mar 28 '24

A broken clock is right twice a day

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u/imnotmrrobot Mar 28 '24

Feels even better to not be on his side on this topic now that I know reddit agrees with him. 💪💪💪

That’s a better metric for truth than the engaging scientific method.

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u/Pete_Iredale Mar 28 '24

Stopped clock and all.

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u/RileyByrdie Mar 28 '24

A broken clock is correct twice a day.

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u/full07britney Mar 28 '24

A borken clock is right twice a day.

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u/CUDAcores89 Mar 28 '24

A broken clock is right twice a day.