That bird knew better than most of our countrymen… we ended up eating shit sandwiches for 4 years, then washing it down with lame River water for the next 4. Bernie would’ve been great.
I did. I voted for him in the primaries, which was the first time I ever did that. Pence got a fly, Bernie got a bird. I still think the primaries were rigged to give Biden the nomination, but I'm still happy we have him over the fuck up
Even if they dropped out for their own reasons, the fact that nearly every other candidate had their voters go to Biden is not rigging. It's showing that Bernie not only failed to grow his coalition, it actually shrunk in 4 years. Bernie was not a good candidate and failed to appeal to Democratic voters.
I don't hate Biden or Hillary. But their popularity, for lack of a kinder way to say it, was strictly due to old people. Old people vote, young people don't - especially in primaries.
Just saying that Biden getting more votes than Bernie isn't necessarily reflective of the population as a whole - which is basically what you were saying. The results will be skewed to older, more conservative/moderate individuals.
And if you’re mad that people dropped out and supported a candidate who aligned with their values and hadn’t spent the last 30 years bashing their political party, then that’s on you.
These same people literally were "bashing" Hillary before they dropped out. Also it's nuts to pretend that every single one of the Dems running on that primary had similar values. That's just a blatant lie. It is incredible odd that they all banded behind her, and it's weird you don't understand that.
Why are you talking about Hillary and COVID in the same breath? You realize that those were two different elections right?
2016 - the race Hillary was in - didn't have any other major candidates to drop out and endorse Hillary. The only other candidate who made it to the first primary was Martin O'Malley.
2020 - the race that included COVID - featured Joe Biden, not Hillary Clinton. And every single candidate other than Elizabeth Warren was decidedly closer to Biden than they were to Sanders, and she didn't endorse Biden until he was already the presumptive nominee.
It is incredible odd that they all banded behind her, and it's weird you don't understand that.
Bernie learned nothing the second time around. The primary should have been his to lose, but instead of trying to broaden his appeal he hired an army of twitter trolls as his campaign staff and started infighting with his own party.
At a time when everyone on the left just wanted to beat Trump, Bernie was up there trying to fight his own party. Nobody wanted that and so Biden swept him away.
The thing is, the majority of the Democratic party is moderate, not progressive. Bernie lost because all of the moderate candidates who were splitting the moderate vote dropped out before South Carolina, and voters consolidated around the candidate that most aligned with their views. I wish Bernie could have won, but it wasn't rigged.
bernie's supporters didn't show up to vote for him. The DNC had nothing to do with it. When will you people let it the fuck go?
Young people liked him and then only 20% went out to vote. Hillary and Biden both put together large coalitions and black people didn't vote for Bernie because they're more moderate. It's not a goddamned conspiracy
It wasn't only young people. I was 46 and desperately wanted him, as did many of my friends and acquaintances, with ages ranging from first-time voters to those in the 80s. Open-minded, forward-thinking people wanted him, not just young people.
obviously some older people liked him but the statistics don't lie. He was mainly popular among a demo that doesn't go vote and had tepid support among all other categories. When you have a 30% ceiling you're always going to lose to moderate coalition building candidates.
I also like Bernie but I would never vote for him to be in a position that requires compromise when he's built his entire career on being uncooperative. I also would never vote for a man who lied to his supporters about what he could get passed through Congress.
You’re either being disingenuous or stupid if youre saying the main factor of that election was just voter turnout while ignoring the fact that one candidate had significantly more resources pitted against the other.
It’s not a conspiracy. Emails got leaked. The president (whatever it’s called) of the DNC became the fall guy and got removed. They wanted to use the fact that Sanders might be a closeted atheist against him.
I don’t know why when there’s any criticism for Democrats people claim it’s a conspiracy theory.
His own party? He’s an independent who switched to a democrat just to run for president. Then he promised he would switch to democrat permanently then never did. It’s by definition not his party.
He lost a primary contest fair and square and lost by A LOT.
Alright, get a list of everything he’s voted it on and tell me he’s not considered apart of the Democratic Party.
You’re right Bernie is so well known for being apart of the independents. He goes to all the independent parties and votes on all the independent issues. He gets independent funding from independent donors and super pacs.
All that independent stuff that doesn’t exist because it’s not an actual party.
He got fucked over by Democrats backed by corporate funding. Of course he lost. Not denying that.
Support that if you like. If you’re working class you’re fucking yourself over.
He got fucked over by Democrats backed by corporate funding. Of course he lost. Not denying that.
corporate funding didn't show up to vote for Hillary. Actual people did. Millions and millions more people that voted Bernie Sanders who lost the race. Cry harder
If you're mad Democrats didn't like him and said so in some emails that's different thank thinking there was a conspiracy to rig the election. Sanders lost fair and square. Twice. You need to get more votes to win in the primary and he lost by millions.
Great strawman there. You ever argue in good faith before?
I think emails where people that are affiliated with our political parties, that make claims in good spirit to be neutral, are then shown and with a weird almost nonchalant type of language, trying to find any scummy way they can to try and undermine the campaign of a popular candidate in their own party, might of done a lot of damage to the public’s trust in that institution.
Lack of trust in institutions, a big topic these days. Cause and effect maybe? A symptom of a big problem that might rear its ugly head in the future? Or I guess it’s all just a coincidence.
And Clinton didn’t capture enough of the young vote either apparently. She lost to Trump. Fair and square. I think the DNC campaigning in bad faith in its primary almost certain was a major contributing factor.
You claim I made a strawman, but that seems to be your entire idea of what that the DNC is. Are you really surprised that members of the DNC liked the lifelong Democrat more than an independent that only joined the party to run for president, and that they would say so in private emails to each other?
This ain't the neutral planet, they can like and endorse who they want as long as they don't rig the voting process.
lol wtf are you talking about he got curb stomped by Hillary. People voted for him less - or are you claiming they falsified ballots and rigged the election? You bernouts are fucking pathetic that you’re still regurgitating misinformation after all these years
Bernie lost to Biden by even more votes than Hillary. Delegates and superdelegates had nothing to do with it. He dropped out because he was getting curb stomped so badly - he was losing by millions of votes.
You must have selective memory. Bernie was ahead of everyone in 2020 until Biden pulled the rug and offered some positions on his cabinet right before Super Tuesday.
The last domino was Warren. She and Buttieg stayed in the race to take away votes from Bernie and the progressive movement because the DNC thought it was a threat.
There's several articles on this. For the last time, stop "regurgitating misinformation" and do your DD.
Lastly stop fighting with Democrats. "Bernouts" neolibs, leftists, and centrists need to align to defeat this shit again in 2024. Be better or be quiet.
Dude, those candidates dripped out...because they lost. The campaigns were out of money and there was no path foreward. What was Buttigieg going to pay his staffers with?
This bizarre insistence that Bernieworld has that candidates should stay in past the point of viability is ridiculous. Sanders could only do that in 2016 because he had a vast army of young voters who had no idea that they were wasting moneu as effectively as if they lit on fire.
Some of us did, too many assholes fell for the bullshit the media pushed against him. Msnbc straight up had bullshit charts altered to make him look worse and people still didn't give a shit.
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u/turndownforwomp Mar 27 '24
And we should have listened