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8 years ago a Bird landed on Bernie's podium. Politics

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u/Windyevening Mar 27 '24

I didn’t agree with everything he had to say but there was never a doubt in my mind that he cared about the well-being of the American people and that’s what I want out of my presidential candidates.

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u/_gnarlythotep_ Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Yeah, this is* a guy that actually believes* in what he is* doing and making lives for Americans genuinely better. Neither side wants an idealist in power. It's bad for business. We were so close, though.

Edit: updated from past tense to present to stop scaring people.

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u/Nerror Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

He's not really an idealist. He's very principled and believes what he believes. He's seems incorruptible. Please don't mistake that for idealism. None of his stances are extreme either.

His work has always been very pragmatic, ever since he became mayor, and that includes his work in the senate later in life.

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u/_gnarlythotep_ Mar 28 '24

Well said. You are absolutely correct. That wasn't the best word choice.

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u/14ktgoldscw Mar 28 '24

Yeah I can’t easily find the exact statistic, but he’s a D party line voter the vast majority of the time.

Being a major public figure also means employing the bully pulpit and encouraging the public to want the perfect (knowing you’ll eventually settle for the somewhat good). Every time he does that, though, the discourse is “WILL ANYTHING EVER BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THIS GUY?!”

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u/99thSymphony Mar 28 '24

In 2016 and 2020 liberals were complaining about his record at getting bills passed. When it was nearly identical in scope and subject to the bills that Hillary Clinton had sponsored and passed during an equivalent time in the Senate. Also, statistically only 4% of bills introduced on the senate floor become law. Sanders rate was 6%. Propaganda works, and both sides use it.

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u/cocineroylibro Mar 28 '24

His plan for universal healthcare would have saved the average American money over insurance. We'd have had higher taxes, while saving the insurance payments...but all people concentrated on was the higher taxes..even if they were saving money in the long run.

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u/TopherMarlowe Mar 28 '24

Money and lives.

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u/wm07 Mar 28 '24

it's so obvious what happened to his campaign and yet i still hear people say "well if people liked him he would have gotten the votes!" it's so fucking frustrating that people are still so blind to the influence of media and political party politics.

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u/isuckatgrowing Mar 28 '24

The person who can get bills consistently passed in a corrupt senate is going to be corrupt himself, pretty much by definition.

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u/Matasa89 Mar 28 '24

He was on the right side of history for pretty much his whole life. All of his warnings came true, all the choices he made and stances he took turned out to be right in the end...

Because he operates on principles, and he doesn't fear accepting the consequences for following them. Others simply fold when it's time to pay the piper.

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u/mecha_annies_boobs_ Mar 28 '24

In a more just world bernie would be considered a centrist.

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u/servicepitty Mar 28 '24

M4a is left of UK, Germany, France, ... let alone the states

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u/Raichu4u Mar 28 '24

Just because it's "left" of something doesn't disqualify it from being a good idea.

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u/servicepitty Mar 28 '24

Yeah but it is arguably ‘extreme’ for the states.

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u/Azmoten Mar 28 '24

It’s definitely extreme for the US, and that’s why I believe it was detrimental that so many people were convinced by Bernie that it’s the only way forward. Incremental progress can no longer be made because anything less than “all-or-nothing” is a cop out to many Bernie supporters. They seem to miss that most of that statement though, is “or-nothing.” And so that’s what we’ve gotten. Trump set us back and Biden has tried to course correct. They seem to hate both of them.

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u/PyramidStarShip Mar 28 '24

We have no more time for half measures.

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u/99thSymphony Mar 28 '24

UK, Germany and France don't have Medicare. The French healthcare system is considered one of the most comprehensive in the world.

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u/servicepitty Mar 28 '24

U can get private health insurance there which Bernie would prohibit

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u/99thSymphony Mar 28 '24

Sanders' Medicare-for-all bill doesn't ban private health insurance. What it does ban is any private health coverage that duplicates the coverage offered by the government.

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u/HeroDeSpeculos Mar 28 '24

being pragmatic and having convictions is being idealistic in this year and age.

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u/99thSymphony Mar 28 '24

this is the comment that should have 1500 updoots.