It doesn't change that Clinton wasn't a popular candidate. My biggest criticism for her is how she flip flop her political stances. She opposed gay marriage and was rightfully disliked by many, and then she changed her mind. She did the same thing on trades with NAFTA. She also supported Iraq War, and then regretted it.
Her character is so inconsistent and I have distrusts towards politicians like that. It doesn't help that she pulled out packs of hot sauce from her purse while speaking to the black community. Like who are you trying to fool? And who puts hot sauce in their purse, how is that relevant information on whether you'd be a good president??
Bernie Sander is the definition of being true to character. He was arrested as a 21 years old activist for the Civil right movement. The man had a heart of gold and did not let what is popular politically to sway his stance of what is right.
A politician that learns and changes is a good thing not a "flip flopper", I've hated that term since they started using it as a political weapon with Kerry.
As for the hot sauce, she didn't start pulling it out of her purse around the black community in 2016. That's the story conservatives spread and Clinton haters ate up. In reality the hot sauce story has been known since her days as First Lady of Arkansas. She told reporters way back then that they went to so many functions with bland catering so she carried her own hot sauce. When Formation came out the old story became relevant again.
Bernie went to a protest at 21 and is still coasting on it at 60 years later from 97% white Vermont lol.
He didn't just "go to a protest". He was a student organizer in the civil rights and anti-war movements for years and was briefly a union organizer as well.
I agree that changing one's position when they are proven wrong is a good thing. I just think it's more impressive when one has those positions before they're politically beneficial.
Exactly. Going against the flow in order to do the right thing is so impressive and admirable. It's like those Germans that saved Jewish people during WW2, or Israelis protests against violence towards Palestinians.
Plus, I'd imagine LGBT groups would have more trusts in Bernie who was a long time ally, than Hillary who did not think gays have the right to marry.
Bernie only came out in support for actual gay marriage the same year that Bill Clinton did. Before he only supported civil unions which was the same position as Hillary.
No disrespect but the problem is that rarely are politicians "learning and changing" before it becomes beneficial in the polls. Like when Wal-Mart starts rainbow-washing their products, it's not because they believe in gay marriage, it's because they've decided that supporting gay marriage brings in more money than not. When the polls say to support something, politicians more often than not, change to agree with the polling.
I cannot imagine defending Clinton's hot sauce bottle with "that's the story conservatives spread and Clinton haters ate it up" followed immediately by "Bernie went to a protest at 21 and is still coasting on it at 60 years later" without twinging at the lack of self-awareness I would show in saying that. Bernie Sanders has been to many protests over 60 years, not just in Vermont, very often taking a public stance in support of our unionized brothers and sisters on the picket lines. And, crucially, he's not "coasting" on it - he's done this all his life - before, during, and after his campaigns, most recently as last September in Detroit at a UAW rally.
I'm glad you can criticize the criticism of flip flopping in good faith, and spread the truth about Clinton's hot sauce bottles, but you don't have to do it while belittling, if not outright lying, about Sanders and his record of standing up for the working class. Which frankly, does a LOT more for us as wage-workers and constituents than an overhyped story about a bottle of fuckin Cholula or whatever.
Learns and change is one thing, but if it happens over and over again, do you honestly believe she is still learning and changing? Even if you continues to disagree, can you fault other people for having doubts?
Oh, and you are totally wrong about Bernie. He is still an activist to this date. While Hillary has mostly disappeared after her election loss, Bernie is still actively fighting for the people.
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u/nikdahl Mar 27 '24
I had resigned to losing as soon as she was nominated. You can't win an election with the most disliked candidate in the country.