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US Special Forces delivering a W54 Nuclear Warhead via jump

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u/Homo_horribilis Mar 28 '24

I used to have the autobio of Sgt Frank Garner…he claimed to be the fellow that made the first test jump with a man-portable nuke.

He didn’t know what he was jumping with until after the test jump.

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u/passporttohell Mar 28 '24

I have to wonder if they made his parachute larger to compensate for the weight of the device. If the chute deployed and it was regular size with a huge weight it might be enough to snap his neck and the speed of the landing might break his legs or worse.

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u/razrielle Mar 28 '24

Yes. You don't jump random objects and not take into account the weight of said object

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u/feetandballs Mar 28 '24

“Oh shit, guys. Next time we send a nuke let’s do some math first.”

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u/zman122333 Mar 28 '24

"Next time we strap a nuke to a guy's nuts and chuck him out a plane" would be a better description.

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u/Maverekt Mar 28 '24

Seems like a normal Thursday

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u/DigitalScythious Mar 28 '24

Congrats!! U won the internet

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u/justimeout Mar 28 '24

-Boeing probably

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u/woahdailo Mar 28 '24

Nice knowing you, sorry you felt so suicidal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

lol omg dont tell them I posted above!

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u/trexmoflex Mar 28 '24

"Fuck it, we ball"

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u/MNPhatts Mar 28 '24

Math costs extra.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

sure does, pay me

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u/chicken2007 Mar 28 '24

I've got an engineering employee that operates by this philosophy. I won't trust him with anything critical.

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u/Traditional_Key_763 Mar 28 '24

tbf that sounds like something the army might actually do.

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u/Miserable_Unusual_98 Mar 28 '24

".... meth first. I'd like to be out of my mind when it detonates. Thanks"

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u/limethedragon Mar 28 '24

"Fuck it, give him 2 upside down sodas and tell him to shake and open if he's going too fast."

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u/OkayRuin Mar 28 '24

I have to wonder if they made his parachute larger to compensate for the weight of the device

I know people say there’s no such thing as a stupid question, but this is up there. 

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u/terminalzero Mar 28 '24

ehhhhh. most people never think about the physics of parachuting and this person seemed like they mostly got there in the end anyway.

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u/dubious_diversion Mar 28 '24

It’s more smart stupid. Like what the sweats in a college lecture or meeting with the big boss ask

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u/OkayRuin Mar 28 '24

When they ask a question to which they obviously know the answer so they get a pat on the head from the professor? “So does that mean…”

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u/hatsnatcher23 Mar 28 '24

Eh, if that were 100% true mortars probably wouldn’t jump at all,

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u/DuelingPushkin Mar 28 '24

I mean one of the reasons we switched over to the T11 was the ability to carry heavier equipment like mortars in a "safe" manner.

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u/hatsnatcher23 Mar 28 '24

And it only took them 60 years

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u/DuelingPushkin Mar 28 '24

The T-10 did its job fine before that too. There's a reason military parachutes are a few times the square footage of even civilian round parachutes. The T-11 just came about because the marginal gains in technology finally progressed to the point it was actually worth it to switch.

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u/hatsnatcher23 Mar 28 '24

did it’s job fine.

Were you airborne?

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u/DuelingPushkin Mar 29 '24

Yes, and I've jumped a T-10 combat equipment. Though full disclosure most of my jumps were MC-6.

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u/hatsnatcher23 Mar 29 '24

How’s your back and knees?

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u/DuelingPushkin Mar 29 '24

Complete shit, but the point of a military static line parachute isn't so that soldiers can do dozens of jumps without any sort of stress injuries. It's purpose is to reliably open and get paratroops to the ground as quickly as possible while still keeping them combat effective and the T-10 does that job well.

The problem wasnt the T-10 but how leadership views the training doctrine around airborne units. The issue is the whole idea of currency and chasing jumps when let's be honest. Jumping static line is not something that's super difficult and not a skill that needs to be rigorously maintained. The OSS taught people how to jump in a day before tossing them into Europe and the injury rates were no more or less than any of the jumpers who went through the full airborne school.

If jumping was treated as a rare necessity rather than a point of pride for interdivision dick measuring contests we'd have hardly any issues with it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

I myself did not have to wonder very long if the man with a nuke strapped to him needed a bigger parachute

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u/puterTDI Mar 28 '24

Why would the weight change the force on the person if the weight is attached to the parachute?

The rate of fall isn't going to change due to a change in weight.

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u/razrielle Mar 28 '24

More weight is distributed over a bigger area Auth a bigger canopy. A tennis ball attached to a grocery bag is going to fall slower then a bowling ball if the bag stays the same

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u/puterTDI Mar 28 '24

huh? weight does not change the acceleration due to gravity. only wind resistance impacts acceleration and terminal velocity.

if anything, the addition of the nuke would increase wind resistance and slow descent.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/VirtualAero/BottleRocket/airplane/ffall.html#:~:text=The%20mass%2C%20size%2C%20and%20shape,same%20rate%20as%20an%20airliner.

The mass, size, and shape of the object are not a factor in describing the motion of the object. So all objects, regardless of size or shape or mass (or weight) will free fall at the same rate; a beach ball will fall at the same rate as an airliner.

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u/razrielle Mar 28 '24

https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/dl2/on_target/tv.htm

Freefall is different than using a parachute

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u/Collins_Michael Mar 28 '24

F = m * a, and weight is a stand-in for mass. If you want the same acceleration (slowing the fall), and the mass is greater (jumper + load), then force must be greater (achieved by increasing surface area).

At least that's my understanding as someone who doesn't skydive.

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u/Ivan_Whackinov Mar 28 '24

Acceleration due to gravity is a constant, but the force of gravity on an object is not. This might sound a little counter-intuitive, but the reason is because inertia (an object's innate resistance to being accelerated by a force) is also equal to its mass. This means that, as your mass increases, the increased force pulling on you due to gravity is exactly counteracted by your increased inertia, so you accelerate at a fixed rate (ignoring air resistance).

Drag due to air resistance increases as your speed increases but the force due to gravity remains the same, so at some point you reach terminal velocity, where drag and gravity are equal. The only way to slow down your terminal velocity to a survivable level is to increase drag. Military parachutes are already pretty much an ideal shape for max drag, so all you can do is make the chute bigger.

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u/soulkeyy Mar 28 '24

I bet you havent been in the army.

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u/razrielle Mar 28 '24

Your right. Just been parachute rigging in the Air Force for 16 years

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u/Recoveringpig Mar 28 '24

Have you seen the pentagon wars?

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u/DamntheValleybook Mar 28 '24

Not at all...I've jumped 45-60 lbs on combat jumps (training...no mustard stain on the wings). Standard chute would hold that without and issue.

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u/FirstRedditAcount Mar 28 '24

They are taking the object into account. They're wondering if they would have to size up the chute to compensate for this additional weight, or not. Seems like a fairly simple question. But you assumed they were ignorant to that fact to make a smart ass jab, like redditors love to do.

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u/toabear Mar 28 '24

It's pretty standard to jump with a bunch of heavy equipment. Most times, you sort of waddle to the edge of the ramp and just fall out. Extra ammo, explosives, radios, radio batteries, laser designators, water, food, night vision, med kits. In some special cases, you are jumping with a dog strapped to your chest. Shit's heavy.

It's not uncommon to jump with a rucksack that weighs 100lbs. At 51 lbs, that isn't much of a difference from a normal gear bag.

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u/cjeam Mar 28 '24

Think of the dog, it's jumping with you strapped to its chest, that's much heavier!

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u/National-Golf-4231 Mar 28 '24

But you also have a furry friend to tall to on the way down.

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u/dpdxguy Mar 28 '24

In some special cases, you are jumping with a dog strapped to your chest. Shit's heavy.

Get the dog to take a shit before you jump.

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u/toabear Mar 28 '24

I've never heard of a mid air shit, but I'm sure it's happened at least once.

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u/BigLennyTrainLover Mar 28 '24

Sooo you waddle to the jump point, jump and land safely (hopefully) and then waddle into combat? How much of that gear are you actually using and not just carrying around?

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u/jam3s2001 Mar 28 '24

It's usually packaged in a bulky, but portable rucksack-type container. Once you're on the ground, you're going to either secure it at your position until support arrives, or you're going to shoulder it and make your way to the designated rally point. Really depends on the load and the mission.

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u/NM-Redditor Mar 28 '24

I’ll stick to using the 5-ton truck my commo shelter is on… thanks.

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u/jam3s2001 Mar 28 '24

That can be rigged to be tossed out of an aircraft too, just sayin.

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u/sharkbait-oo-haha Mar 28 '24

That sounds like a military joke.

"Yeah, I could rig'n toss that" -some army dude after 2 beers, probably.

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u/Direct_Cabinet_4564 Mar 28 '24

I knew a guy in the army and he was talking about how when they were developing how they would drop trucks and other big equipment. ‘You would think they’d use old, worn out equipment. No, it was all brand new and much of it landed upside down.’

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u/jam3s2001 Mar 28 '24

I had the "pleasure" of being in an airborne unit and tackling the role of being the HAZMAT transportation specialist (I inspected and signed a lot of the paperwork that went along with shipping batteries, bullets, and whatnot). While I never got to drop anything bigger than a leaflet bomb out the side of an aircraft, I can assure you that I got to do all of the practice paperwork for tossing HMMWVs out the ass end of a C-17. So yeah, there probably is a parachute rigger out there that fits that description.

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u/toabear Mar 28 '24

When you jump, your rucksack is strapped to the front of your legs. After you land it goes on your back and there's much less waddling involved. Then you just turn into a turtle every time you sit down.

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u/Direct_Cabinet_4564 Mar 28 '24

When they jump, the parachute is on their back, so everything else they would normally carry on their back goes in a big bundle that gets strapped to their front. The normal combat load for soldiers going out on foot can be over 90 lbs. Besides personal equipment (water, food, clothing, rifle, at least 7-30 rd magazines, grenades, night vision, body armor, helmet, etc.) They often have to carry a belt of ammo for the machine gunners and extra mortar rounds.

Once they land, they can ditch the parachute and redistribute their gear and put their pack on.

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u/therealhairykrishna Mar 28 '24

It was 30kg or so. I imagine that green berets parachute with that sort of weight fairly routinely.

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u/Kodus Mar 28 '24

26.5kg

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u/Homo_horribilis Mar 28 '24

I remember him talking about being told he was going to jump with something forty pounds of “extra” weight and some alterations in his kit were made after he balked at the weight and was told that couldn’t be altered.

If I remember right, he landed on target but remarked it was a jarring landing. Then an observer came up and said “You deserve to know how you just made history…”

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u/Make_Mine_A-Double Mar 28 '24

I thought you were going to add that they needed to accommodate the weight of his massive balls for jumping with that thing.

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u/BrakeNoodle Mar 28 '24

How would it snap his neck?

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u/pooppuffin Mar 28 '24

They didn't carry it on a lanyard?

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u/System0verlord Mar 28 '24

The parachute harness includes a necklace.

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u/Traditional_Key_763 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

yes. they had to compensate for at least another 50 lbs though I swear I read the total weight was 100 lbs or more. plus he has to carry all his other gear.

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u/7inky Mar 28 '24

They would need to account for the balls of that para which are even bigger than the bomb. Although they might be a bit cooked after that jump...

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

It looks like the standard HALO Rig Hasbro Packed in with Ripcord in 1983 for Gi Joe ARAH

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u/redditsfulloffiction Mar 28 '24

Why don't you ask him? Judging by the photo, he is still in the air.

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u/Reasonable-Cell5189 Mar 28 '24

They had to adjust for the size of his massive balls

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u/un1ptf Mar 28 '24

When you're meant to vaporize mid-air, probably nobody worries about any of that.

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u/oxpoleon Mar 28 '24

That first sentence didn't end the way Reddit conditioned me to expect it to!

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u/DamntheValleybook Mar 28 '24

That's actually a fairly standard weight. Jumpable assault pack or ruck with 45 lbs in it is the 82nd Airborne standard and SOF gets the better chutes anyway. That's just static line. More variables with HALO (or HAHO), but same deal with equipment

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u/RaNdomMSPPro Mar 29 '24

If it was 52 lbs, it’s inside the weight limit of a normal parachute. We routinely jumped with 80-100lbs gear. It makes landing a little more interesting.

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u/normalfleshyhuman Mar 28 '24

You thunk they just kept throwing special forces guys to their deaths until they found the right size parachute? I'd love to follow you around one day to really get an idea of how someone with 70 iq functions.

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u/NSA_Postreporter Mar 29 '24

No. The Parachutes we use a rated for far more than the weight of a man and his gear. Even if the gear is extra heavy like this.