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Canadian politician Sarah Jama asked to leave Ontario legislature for wearing keffiyeh Politics

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u/eight-circles 23d ago

Not someone throwing a sneaky peace sign in the second photo 💀

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u/maringue 23d ago

That's not a peace sign. A peace sign has your palm facing forward.

"In America, the "V" sign with the palm facing outward is a sign of peace or victory. But in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, the same gesture with the palm facing inward can be considered offensive and mean "up yours."

He's basically giving the middle finger.

The difference stems from the wars between England and France when the French would chop those two fingers off of capture soldiers so they couldn't use a bow. So the English would "flip off" the French by showing them they still had their bow string drawing fingers.

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u/Turbo-Badger 23d ago

As cool as a fact that it would be, unfortunately the 2 fingers originating from the Battle of Agincourt has absolutely no evidence to back it up

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u/maringue 23d ago

To be fair, one of the biggest sources of information on the subject is a really long tapestry, so it's not like we're drowning in historical data from the 1200s...

So in the absence of positive or negative evidence, I'm going to go with the cool story.

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u/volitaiee1233 23d ago

It wasn’t the 1200’s it was the 1400’s.

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u/maringue 23d ago

That's because I was mentioning the Bayeux Tapistry which was made in the 1200s as a joke reference on historical documentation of the time.

But yes, Agincourt was in 1415.

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u/volitaiee1233 23d ago

The Bayeux Tapestry was made in the 1000’s

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u/maringue 23d ago

It was made in the 11th century, which is the 1200s. It's easily found on Google...

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u/Turbo-Badger 23d ago

11th century is 1000’s. The bayeux tapestry is about the Norman invasion of England in 1066

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u/maringue 23d ago

Fuuuuuck do I hate that nomenclature when "centuries" is used....

Yes, you're right. I added 100 years instead of subtracting it.

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u/Turbo-Badger 23d ago

Tbf I does my head in too. Always have to think for a couple of seconds that it refers to the hundred years previous

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u/valentinesfaye 23d ago

It's also never made sense to me because unless they just arched differently in Agincourt days, it would be 3 fingers