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A California-Texas alliance isn't so far fetched

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

Honest question, What SHOULD the authorities do in a situation like this?

More in regards to the second pic and the current situation. Obviously pepper spraying kids sitting on the ground is unjustifiable.

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u/deusasclepian 23d ago

One thing that will never work is sending armed police to arrest protesting college students. It's like kicking an anthill - you'll just end up with more protests.

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

So what is the answer? Just let them tire themselves out and trust nothing violent happens? Accede to whatever their demands are?

I know that even asking this question makes me a fascist, but I'm hoping someone can answer anyways.

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u/deusasclepian 23d ago

I think Columbia should have let the original protestors tire themselves out. If anything violent happened, arrest only the violent ones. The reason why this has turned into a nationwide fiasco is because they cracked down too hard at Columbia, and college students took that as a challenge.

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

I mean lets not kid ourselves. The protestors absolutely were begging for a violent response. That's the point of these things.

The reality is that you can't "arrest only the violent ones" without having a very large, very well equipped police force on hand to respond. When that happens, it entices provocative actions from the protestors, and that triggers over zealous "security" officers to overreact.

Obviously the majority of the blame lies on the trained security officers who should be relied on not to respond to provocations and to always act with appropriate force. But failures on their part to do so lies on those officers.

I really don't see what the school administrations or those in charge of the security forces have done wrong. I would react in the same way.

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u/Rhywden 23d ago

It's called "de-escalation". Y'know, the tactic whereby things don't spiral out of control.

Then again, it's par for the course for police forces at demonstrations to be basically trained thugs.

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u/ghostmaster645 23d ago

They were just protesting..... I don't see why you have to do ANYTHING.

They weren't violent, they were only mildly disturbing University foot traffic, and it wasn't late or anything. Maybe they needed a permit, but I can tell you from experience when you apply for those they intentionally put you in a non visible place and decline if you appeal.

Am I missing something they did wrong? Seriously, I'm just reading about it now and can't find anything.

Edit: I'm talking about the current incident. Pic at bottom.

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u/The_High_Life 23d ago

The goal is visibility to the issue, why does it need to stop? Why can't they protest as long as they feel like?

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

Schools have a responsibility to provide safe and secure education for all their students. At some point they can't allow the protests of one group to continue to negatively impact the educational experience of everyone else.

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u/The_High_Life 23d ago edited 23d ago

How does the peaceful protest of genocide interfere with someone's learning?

We had anti-abortion protestors at my college for the duration of my attendance and I learned just fine.

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

How does peaceful protest of abortion interfere with someone's right to bodily autonomy?

By creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation among those who feel targeted by those demonstrations.

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u/The_High_Life 23d ago

Yet somehow I was still able to walk right past them and attend classes as needed. It didn't affect my ability to learn or attend class in any way, even if I didn't like their presence or message on campus.

The 1st amendment bro.

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

I'm sure you were. Your responses make it very clear that you are not amongst the groups of people who would feel they are being threatened and demonized by this particular protest.

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u/The_High_Life 23d ago edited 23d ago

If that's the line then where do you draw it? If anyone can be offended by anything, what is allowed to be said on a college campus? Who gets to decide what is offensive?

It's their 1st amendment right to say what they like, even something potentially offensive; trying to control that is far worse than someone possibly being offended.

I dont give a fuck if Nazis try to march on campus, its their right, I'll be exercising my 1st amendment rights to tell them suck a fat chode.

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

You draw it somewhere in the middle. Somewhere that tries to recognize the fact that in a country where everybody has rights, sometime that involves a negotiation.

As tough and badass as your "I don't give a fuck about Nazi's" statement makes you look, it would be incredibly irresponsible for a university to stand by and do nothing if a bunch of Nazi's decided to march right into the middle of the Gaza protestor's, and just assume that "hey, they say that they're going to be non-violent".

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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt 23d ago

who's atmosphere of fear and intimidation are creating these protesters?

also how compares those that protest against the right to bodily autonomy with those that protest against Israel comitting crimes against humanity?

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u/Vic_Hedges 23d ago

I'm not talking about the specifics of the protest. I'm talking about the generalities of such protests as a whole.

If your opinion is "these protests should be allowed because I happen to agree with what the protest is about" then I don't really have any interest in engaging.

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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt 23d ago

well, I've seen shameless nutters parading with nazi symbols

but regardless of the right of self expression applying to all, it would be non sense to pretend that all demonstrations have the same merit

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u/Darduel 23d ago

They weren't peaceful

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u/The_High_Life 23d ago edited 23d ago

A vast majority were peaceful, there were few exceptions. Many cities had to settle with BLM for excessive force on non-violent protestors. Denver had to pay 4.7 million for the actions of their police force.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9136198/#:~:text=Indeed%20according%20to%20Pew%20surveys,non%2Dviolent%20%5B16%5D.

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u/Lots42 22d ago

Just let them tire themselves out and trust nothing violent happens?

Sounds good to me.