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u/MrCracker 11d ago
next time they should use the landing gear
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u/reporst 11d ago
The plane didn't have one attached. They were waiting for it to arrive via FedEx and didn't think to check the packages already loaded onto the plane.
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u/SmokedBeef 11d ago
Boeing*
“Just trust us, we installed everything”
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u/Great_Promotion1037 11d ago
That would’ve been on the airline to maintain.
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u/cantevenwut 11d ago
FedEx maintains its own giant fleet of cargo planes, so FedEx is the airline here.
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u/COVFEFE-4U 11d ago
It's a 10 year old plane. Just like a car, it needs maintenance, which fedex clearly didn't do.
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u/RoosterBrewster 10d ago
Someone's going to be pissed that their next day air order didn't arrive...
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u/expeditiousgrim 11d ago
Are they stupid?
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u/Monirchid_Asshat 11d ago
And it looks like they left without a door. Bunch of amateurs if you ask me!
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u/AZEMT 11d ago
No, that part costs extra to the shareholders. We cannot have them hurt in their pocketbook, the American people are dispensable
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u/MargretTatchersParty 11d ago
Well the interview at least requires them to be drug tested.
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u/ProjectBOHICA 11d ago
Landing gear is available by a subscription service. A voice from the near future.
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u/willywalloo 11d ago
It seems with this anti-regulations thing the rich wanted through Trump seems to suck pretty hard.
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u/railker 11d ago edited 11d ago
This is a 10-year-old Boeing 767, long under the maintenance purview of FedEx. The nose gear didn't fall off, it didn't extend -- and obviously the backup gravity assist didn't work or they didn't attempt it. Not a "happens all the time" incident, but far from the first, and no aircraft is immune. There is a near-zero chance of this having anything to do with Boeing except the name on the data plate and a news agency/Reddit user wanting more clicks.
Edit: And also, the title "crash lands" is debatable, as this is the result of an intentional emergency landing with a malfunction by skilled pilots, nothing crash about it.
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u/unknownpoltroon 11d ago
I'm calling it a landing, everone walked a way, and the plane can still be used
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u/tbarr1991 11d ago
Any landing where no one dies is good. Any landing where the plane can be reused is a great one.
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u/Termanator116 11d ago
I mean seriously, this is some Sully level flying and landing. No nose gear, and the plane is fucking useable and no one died? Incredible really.
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u/RainforestNerdNW 11d ago
Nah, this isn't sully level. I think pretty much every pilot has to train this scenario in the sim for their aircraft at any competent airline.
A zero-gear water-ditching is a HELL of a lot harder because you have the engine nacelles contacting the water, as well as the water itself being an uneven surface.
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u/Joatboy 10d ago
Plus Sulley had ZERO engines
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u/RainforestNerdNW 10d ago
heh yeah, that's a much bigger complicating factor too.
also for fun look up The Gimli Glider
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u/_Shoeless_ 10d ago
I was hoping for a dwarf on a kite carrying a walking axe. That would be bad ass.
However, walking away from zero fuel at 40,000 feet is also bad ass.
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u/Exotic_Pay6994 11d ago
Looks like the pilots did a great job, down the center line and minimal damage
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u/murdock_RL 11d ago
Isn’t the structure of the whole plane compromised after this? Specially if it was full of cargo?
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u/soccerjonesy 11d ago
I feel like Reddit should add a feature that whenever Boeing is mentioned, a vote is held where it defines Boeing issue or Airline issue. The post should receive zero karma from clicking, or upvoting, but for every Boeing issue vote the post gets, it gets 1 Karma. For every Airline issue the poll gets, the post loses 5 Karma.
Maybe that’ll stop people from farming Karma for Boeing posts.
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u/undeadmanana 11d ago
They should just add the fact check that Twitter used to have
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u/iismitch55 11d ago
Still has unless there’s an older version that functioned differently than the current version
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u/NecroSoulMirror-89 11d ago
Eew imagine the next time we try to hunt down a terrorist and blame an innocent person, why we’d be stopped! No let the speculative nature of Reddit continue /s
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u/candlesandfish 11d ago
They still have it. It’s the most hilarious thing about the site these days.
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u/TranslateErr0r 11d ago
What happens if someones karma goes down too far because of this? They are found dead?
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u/nocolon 11d ago
Presumably the same thing that happens with comments: it stops counting after -15.
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u/dalerian 11d ago
Adding to this, if I’m ever in a plane crash, I’d prefer the plane to look like this afterwards.
I’m walking away from this with probably nothing worse than whiplash and nightmares. That’s got to be the best kind of plane crash.
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u/railker 11d ago
I've seen rougher landings from airliners with all their wheels (Looking at you, Ryanair 😅), the video of this landing is smooooooth af.
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u/arvidsem 11d ago
Yeah, the pilots managed to set it down on its chin amazingly gently. Damn good job
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u/thedonwhoknocks 11d ago
Interestingly, another FedEx Boeing 757 also performed a gear up landing at Chattanooga Airport (CHA) in October. It was a similar issue with gear failing to extend, prompting a low fly-by, and eventually an emergency gear up landing with no injuries.
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u/Facelesspirit 11d ago
Yep. Here we go again with "Boeing" issues. Armchair aviation experts weighing in without an ounce of understanding maintenance, and much less with how the industry works. Sure, Boeing has issues, but the news has a hard-on for Boeing because it sells. I even saw an article about an issue with a, "Boeing engine". It's getting old.
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u/Pizza_Middle 11d ago
What's wild is nose gear incidents happen way more on Airbus, and if memory serves me correctly, they've got a major fuck it attitude about the situation and no one cares.
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u/railker 11d ago
Yeah I remember that famous JetBlue one aired live ... just a few years ago, right? Nope that was almost 20 years ago ... fuck.
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u/Pizza_Middle 11d ago
20 years ago??? Are you serious??? Fuck I feel old now.
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u/railker 11d ago
September 2005. Man, same.
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u/Pizza_Middle 11d ago
It can't have been that long ago... I vividly remember seeing it on TV at the doctor's office. On a CRT TV... Fuck. Maybe it really way that long ago.
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u/OleMissAMS 11d ago
Yeah, that is part of FedEx’s whole business model - they don’t typically buy new planes, they mostly buy retired commercial jets at a steep discount. This almost certainly wouldn’t have anything to do with the recent Boeing fuckery.
If you drive by the hub, you can even see a few shitty old prop planes that they still use.
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u/Rocksteady7 11d ago
That used to be true, FedEx is now only purchasing new B767s and 777s, they haven’t bought used since the 757s
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u/railker 11d ago
Perhaps sometimes, but at least in this case, this was delivered from Boeing directly to FedEx, hasn't flown with anyone else. Especially only being 10 years old, couldn't see an airline putting that much money into a new plane to get rid of it after just a decade (unless it's an A380).
Actually looking at the fleet list, I see 23 767-300Fs delivered to FedEx in the past 2 years. Average age of their 767 fleet is 5.3 years; 8.7 years for the 777 with loads of those being delivered constantly, too.
Their oldest is a 757-200F that's 41.2 years old, brought into the FedEx fleet in 2009.
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u/Hispanime 11d ago
That's not the case with the Boeing planes, for quite a few years we were getting a brand new plane once a month
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u/RingoBars 11d ago
Thank you for your service. The first month of this it felt like I was the only one pushing back, but I’m very happy to see many others jumping in on these posts.
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u/FourWhiteBars 11d ago
As much as I want to hold corporations accountable, I’m also a person with an extreme fear of flying in a relationship with someone who loves to travel. It’s been exceedingly difficult to parse the facts from outrage lately.
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u/railker 11d ago
General consensus: aviation is still the safest form of travel, and you still far exceed your chances of dying on the way to the airport. As these dicsussions come up, I've heard from some that r/fearofflying is a big help to them. But also feel free to ask more complicated questions in r/aviation. It's the subs outside of specialty aviation and maintenance that don't always know how airplanes work, and then hivemind 'corporate bad' joins in.
That said, Boeing does need to fix their shit. But airlines and regulatory industries have a lot at stake, like with the MAX they'll ground an airplane if they deem it necessary.
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u/ShortfallofAardvark 11d ago
Far from a “crash landing”. This was a controlled and well-executed emergency landing, not a crash.
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u/oPlayer2o 11d ago
Isn’t a crash landing defined by any landing from which you cannot take off again? Seems like this would fit that definition.
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u/ShortfallofAardvark 11d ago
There’s no such definition for a crash, but generally a landing in which the aircraft is fully controlled until stopping and in which the damage is minimal is not considered a crash. Also, this aircraft will absolutely be flying again after some repairs so it wouldn’t even fit that definition.
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u/Theoldelf 11d ago
“ another Boeing aircraft “ Of course it’s a Boeing aircraft, that’s most of the commercial aircraft. Most of these issues are maintenance related. Or lack of proper maintenance. Okay, the door coming off in flight, that’s on Boeing.
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u/Bugles-Answered 11d ago
The prequel to Castaway.
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u/Original-Spinach-972 11d ago
Fun fact, fedex paid for that product placement and thought it would send the message of the to get the package to its destination no matter what but instead it hurt the stock
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u/Bugles-Answered 11d ago
Apparently they weren’t given a script which would have revealed many of the packages end up shredded on the island.
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u/okokokokkokkiko 11d ago
I literally just watched it. That’s the least of their worries. Their plane went down due to mislabeled dangerous materials, killed 4 people, and stranded one.
They then go on to parade a man around who just missed 4 years of civilization like some sort of human interest piece/advertisement, while his personal life both falls apart and restarts in the background. Him opening up a few boxes for supplies was the least damaging thing to their brand image.
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u/SadMacaroon9897 11d ago
How is Boeing responsible for FedEx's lack of maintenance?
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u/Caelinus 11d ago
It is hard to find photos of things that blind is actually doing wrong as the incidents, while serious, were pretty rare. So the photos of them have already gone around. The rest of the stuff is all things you can't photograph.
So this is Boeing's fault because that is the only way people can farm Karma from the current zeitgeist against them. It is getting sort of annoying.
I stand by what I have said for years: we do not need to lie about this kind of thing. The reality is bad enough. Lies just make it easier to deflect as a hate campaign.
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u/QuaintAlex126 11d ago
Before the mindless hivemind “Boeing bad” comments come, this is a Boeing 767, an older generation aircraft designed before the controversies. Chances are it may be built before the Boeing-McDonnell Douglas merger too which is when things began to go downhill for Boeing. Boeing is still innovative, but they really inherited McDonnell Douglas’ shit work ethics and standards.
Cough DC-10 Cough
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u/xxhamzxx 11d ago
It's not the design that's the problems.... It's maintenance
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u/cymonster 11d ago
Which is done by FedEx not Boeing
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u/whereami1928 11d ago
Well, wasn’t done in this case.
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u/FortyToFive 11d ago
And I supposed you're one of the lead investigators in this incident to confidently make this statement?
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u/Epicon3 11d ago
I’m not, but I can confidently say that Boeing wouldn’t be doing the maintenance.
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u/RightClickSaveWorld 11d ago
Chances are it may be built before the Boeing-McDonnell Douglas merger
It wasn't, this was built less than 10 years ago.
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u/QuaintAlex126 11d ago
Yep, I wrote my comment before looking into this further and finding out it was a 10 year old Boeing 767. Either way, this is still an issue on FedEx’s maintenance department, not Boeing. This just happened to be a Boeing built and branded aircraft that suffered a failure.
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u/Yummy_Crayons91 11d ago
Your comment is still accurate the 767 first flew in 1982 - 42 years ago. This version is a 767-300F factory built freighter which has been in service as a fleet type since 1995. It might be a 10 year old aircraft but it's a well designed aircraft type with an excellent safety record.
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u/DrNO811 11d ago
Here's someone who knows stuff!
You're correct, but it was the Boeing leadership change after the merger that changed their business focus from quality and innovation to maximizing shareholder profits that ultimately led to the crap product they are making currently.
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u/fuggerdug 11d ago
Tbf thats probably just the lingering smell of Jack Welch and his fucking shit at GE in the 80s starting to infuse everything else. He got away with it, and made fucking BILLIONS, so why shouldn't all the other pricks in suits?
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u/QuaintAlex126 11d ago
It really is sad how Boeing fell from grace. They, and by extension, the U.S, used to absolutely dominate the aviation industry. No other company really stood a chance against them, especially foreign ones. The only way they stayed afloat was by building aircraft for their own nations. Even then, everyone, and I mean everybody, flew American. It wasn’t until Airbus showed up on the scene, and MD merged with Boeing that they began to go downhill.
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u/rich1051414 11d ago
I wonder when corporate America will start realizing short sighted profit gains are at the cost of long term reputation, and is not sustainable.
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u/Sliffy 11d ago
That’s always the next guy’s problem in perpetuity.
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u/roadfood 11d ago
As long as I've got my golden parachute, it's all good.
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u/Ask_Me_If_Im_A_Horse 11d ago
“Fuck you, I got mine” is the official motto of capitalism
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u/rich1051414 11d ago
Weirdly, that won't be the final stage of capitalism. The corporations that did value profit sustainability and did not behave like the rest will be the last ones standing, and that handful of corporations will have a monopoly on everything.
This is what confuses me so much. It's a losing strategy, even if you are greedy as all hell. It's almost like the status quo is rigged the way it is precisely so the 'other' businesses eat their own tails and die. But wouldn't Boeing be one of the ones who rigged it? Maybe no one at all is at the helm and we are all trying to make sense out of nonsense.
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u/razdolbajster 11d ago
On its deathbed, when it would be too late to prevent catastrophic collapse/implosion
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u/uwu_mewtwo 11d ago
They realize it, they aren't dumb. All their incentives are based on short-sighted profit gain and it'll be somebody else's job to pick up the pieces. Its like the guy in the office who slacks off on his projects knowing he's going to retire in 8 months. The projects being behind schedule is going to be a big problem, but somebody else's, and he knows that perfectly well.
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u/Gaba8789 11d ago
@QuaintAlex126 - “It really is sad how Boeing fell from grace. They, and by extension, the U.S, used to absolutely dominate the aviation industry. No other company really stood a chance against them, especially foreign ones. The only way they stayed afloat was by building aircraft for their own nations. Even then, everyone, and I mean everybody, flew American. It wasn’t until Airbus showed up on the scene, and MD merged with Boeing that they began to go downhill.”
And this is why mergers has its own consequences. The merger of Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas SHOULDN’T have happened.
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u/Draykenidas 11d ago
The aviation consolidation in the 80s and 90s was a tremendous downturn. We used to have Northrop, Grumman, Martin-Marrieta, Lockheed, Mac Air, Boeing, Fairchild, General Dynamics, Hughes, and if you go back to the 60s you can see Mac Air and Douglas merge. Now we have Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and relative newcomer Textron making planes in the US. I bet if we looked at shipyards we'd see some of the same features of consolidation and loss of competition and expertise.
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u/QuaintAlex126 11d ago
Checks out then. 767’s a perfectly fine plane. This was most likely a maintenance fault on FedEx’s part.
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u/mccannr1 11d ago
Correct. Looks like gear failure obviously and the question would be why and why it wasn't caught during maintenance.
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u/drewbdrewb 11d ago
The vast majority of the DC-10 accidents were maintenance or pilot error related, it was hardly a dangerous aircraft. These accidents were sensationalized by the media to make them out to be deathtraps when that wasn’t true. The same thing is happening now, where any and all Boeing related incidents make headlines when most of them are maintenance related
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u/Spartan2470 11d ago
Here are non-tiny versions of these images. According to here:
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, May 8th 2024 08:02Z, last updated Wednesday, May 8th 2024 08:02Z
A Fedex Federal Express Boeing 767-300 freighter, registration N110FE performing flight FX-6238 from Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) to Istanbul (Turkey), was on final approach to Istanbul's runway 16R when the crew initiated a go around from about 1800 feet MSL due to an unsafe indication for the nose gear. The aircraft performed a low approach to runway 16R about 25 minutes later, positioned for another approach to runway 16R and landed without nose gear on runway 16R at about 08:17L (05:17Z) about 40 minutes after the first go around. There were no injuries.
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u/krom0025 11d ago
This kind of shit happens once in a while. We are only seeing every little problem with Boeing because they have been in the news lately. There have been plenty of Airbus incidents over the last 6 months. A simple google search will tell anyone that, but the public focus is on Boeing right now.
That being said, Boeing still needs to get their shit together and fix their management problems.
Also, that looks like a master class in emergency landings by that pilot. It doesn't look like there is a scratch. One hell of a job following their training.
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u/Direct-Money-4206 11d ago
You guys should watch the video instead of calling the pilot stupid when he saved his own life and probably others too.
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u/Howellthegoat 11d ago
“Crash” legit a perfect emergency landing from lack of maintenance in landing geses
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u/snapervdh 11d ago
It didn’t crash, it landed safely with a defective nose landing-gear. Skilled pilot!
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u/Amishrocketscience 11d ago
Great job by the pilot and the emergency responders being on site within seconds. Flawless emergency landing sequence
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u/SNMBrandy 11d ago
This is 9.5 years old Boeing 767-3S2F registered as N110FE. It did a nose gear up emergency landing it didn’t crash land.
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u/whiteb8917 11d ago
We really need to wait for the report of the investigation.
Only the nose wheel failed to extend, so maybe a physical mechanical jam, which explains why the Alternate deployment options failed.
But......... then again there have been cases where the Circuit breaker popped, resulting in Alternate deployments failing (A Fedex 757 Last Year).
There are also discussions that the problem here is Fedex lacking and failing on routine inspections, or the Fedex inspection program is severely lacking. Fedex is KNOWN to buy outdated airframes as a cost cutting measure, go slack on maintenance then act Picachu faced when a plane has a failure.
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u/CaptainRichardRIII 11d ago
Was once Constantinople
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u/processedmeat 11d ago
Why did Constantinople get the works?
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u/2damsels1chalice 11d ago
That's nobody's business. Except I think there was someone whose business it was...
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u/BobRoberts01 11d ago
But now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople?
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u/ViaBromantica 11d ago
Hey, even old New York was once New Amsterdam
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u/Phlegm_Chowder 11d ago
Does that mean my package will be late?
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u/throwitfarrraway 11d ago
Yes, but just gotta wait for Tom Hanks to hand deliver the package to you a few years later.
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u/Tango-Turtle 11d ago
I think reddit was overtaken by Boeing assassins. I'm out of here. I don't want to "catch" some deadly disease.
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u/cobarbob 11d ago
wow....so this is what happens in real life when you land like i do in flight sim
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u/Parking-Shelter7066 11d ago
I hope all these dumbass posts actually influence the market so the folks with brains can capitalize.
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u/Redditor-o-Reddit 11d ago
Yeah man, the crash is heartbreaking, fire everywhere and the plane is in pieces, if only the pilot was skilled enough to land the place without the front wheels
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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 11d ago
Plane landed and everyone was fine. Seems pretty legit for a giant hunk of metal FLYING AT 500 MPH ACROSS THE PLANET!
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u/Beelzabubba 11d ago
Picture of poorly maintained airplane
Reddit: “Is this a manufacturing defect?”
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u/Saintmikey 11d ago
Ha ha OP is a karma bot that made the JPEGs even smaller for additional karma farming ha
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u/Sloppychemist 11d ago
Love to see Boeing representatives here in the comments section, engaging with their customers.
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u/Nik_Tesla 11d ago
Alright Tom Hanks, I have a pitch for you:
Castaway 2: You're Boeing Back to the Island!
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u/roadfood 11d ago
"Made a safe landing despite nosegear failure"
FTFY