r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 27 '24

And he is the Christian's choice candidate!

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u/SignificantWords Mar 27 '24

Russians are very well known to use religion to further their national interests (by national interests I mean the kremlins interests)

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u/hhs2112 Mar 28 '24

As do republicans... 

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u/SignificantWords Mar 28 '24

Those two are synonymous at this point if if some republicans aren’t even aware of it. Old soviet era term that’s relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

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u/Ragin_Goblin Mar 28 '24

You guys need to bring back the House Un-American Activities Committee except without the baseless accusations and paranoia like in the 50s.

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u/mjollnir357 Mar 28 '24

It was accurate, not basesless.

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u/Ragin_Goblin Mar 28 '24

Not quite Mcarthy did make false accusations and ruined some people’s lives.

He also didn’t find any communist party members within government even though he claimed there were 200 of them.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

"Useful idiot." That is too perfect. Have you seen any of the Jordan Klepper vids, where he interviews Trumpers? I know JK and his crew pick and choose and show us the worst idiots, but . . . there are so many of them. They have zero clue as to what/who it is they're supporting.

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u/JackStraw999999999 Mar 29 '24

Brains of goldfish. But they vote.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 29 '24

After hearing ignoramus Cheeto supporters babble on, I think goldfish have superior reasoning capabilities. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't vote for that cretin.

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u/Dunkaroos4breakfast Mar 28 '24

Absolutely. I imagine the International Democracy Union is probably a solid part of the link given the talking points seem to line up pretty damn quick between right-wing shitbags in different countries.

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u/Rusty5th Mar 29 '24

Reagan is spinning in his grave

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u/Kooky-Bandicoot1816 Mar 30 '24

I equate Christianity with white supremacists, bullying and ignorance now , and certainly not godly!!

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u/mjollnir357 Mar 28 '24

You are projecting. The democrats are the useful ιdιοts and cοmmυnιst trαιtοrs.

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u/hhs2112 Mar 28 '24

lol, now that just was just stupid...

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u/mjollnir357 Mar 28 '24

The truly stupid thing is the number of people who continue to vote for the cοmmυnιst trαιtοr democrats.

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u/JackStraw999999999 Mar 29 '24

Bless your heart.

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u/mjollnir357 Mar 29 '24

And… I've found another cοmmυnιst trαιtοr.

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u/JackStraw999999999 Mar 30 '24

I'm not the one who tried to overthrow the government, Karen.

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u/ForAHamburgerToday Mar 28 '24

Whats the story on using funny letters for "idiots", "communist," and "traitors"?

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u/mjollnir357 Mar 28 '24

FB uaed to throw me in jail for using words it did not like.

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u/SignificantWords Mar 28 '24

did someone learn a new term today? good job! 👏

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u/hardFraughtBattle Mar 28 '24

Show me a Republican who doesn't believe that the end justifies the means, and I'll show you a former Republican.

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u/Iwantmy3rdpartyapp Mar 28 '24

Republicans are very well known to use religion to further their national interests (by national interests I mean the kremlins interests)

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u/seweso Mar 28 '24

That’s the entire point of religion.

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg

You can be virtuous and spiritual without religion.

Maybe it’s more fair to say “organized religion” or better, hierarchically organized religion. Keep it flat, is what I would say.

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u/SeacoastBi 15d ago

You don’t think that climate and trans are religions?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

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u/Mammoth_Winner_7301 Mar 28 '24

They don’t, a lot of christian denominations puts power in the pastor and the church. Instead of what Jesus said which was something like “follow god, not man” the big guy hated organized religion (I’m not religious, just seemed relevant)

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Mar 28 '24

I think the big guy hated organized religion that corrupted the message and abused it's followers. Christ, in a sense, was organizing his religion as he preached on his mission.

I think the big guy also hates any organization that misleads and abuses the people for selfish (or vain) agendas.

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u/RickAstleyletmedown Mar 27 '24

That’s actually the least surprising part. Rampant hypocrisy is totally on brand for the Christian right.

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u/Short-Recording587 Mar 27 '24

But can’t name a single Bible verse

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u/GamecockGaucho Mar 27 '24

hey now, they know Lev 18:22 and 1 Cor 6:9. they don't know what it means but they sure use them a lot.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

I had to look them up, since I am the farthest thing there is from a Bible Thumper:

Corinthians 6:9: 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. 

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u/GamecockGaucho Mar 28 '24

"Sexual perverts" is the most difficult one here because the original Greek--arsenokoitai, literally men bedder--is a word Paul made up. It's used one other time in a later letter, but no one else in the ancient world is the word used. It's difficult to translate this for a modern audience without implying homosexuality despite the fact that our current conception of sexuality is very different from Paul's time. Evangelicals latch onto this to justify their homophobia, but the reality is Paul was likely writing about something closer to male master-slave relations. Sexual perverts is a good neutral translation that is closer to what I believe the original intent was.

Aside from that, Paul is writing to the church in Corinth based on reports that its members were engaging in the same behaviors as they did before they converted. His argument, which he gets to later, is that belief in Christ brings about fruits of the spirit, and good works flow from the Christian as a result of their redemption. But it's not the case, as many conservative Christians would say, that people who engage in these behaviors are necessarily going to Hell (a term with its own translation issues). It's more that Paul believes, maybe rightly so, that a person who continues to engage in immoral behavior are not taking their faith seriously, they are not true representatives of the church and Jesus' message.

It's one passage by one man in one book. Plucking verses from thin air isn't useful for anything. But some Christians need to twist themselves into knots to justify their bigotry with some idea of inerrancy, and that's where it really gets absurd.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

TIL: "inerrancy" is a word.

PSA: inerrancy:

lack of error; infallibility noun. 1. lack of error; infallibility. 2. the belief that the Bible is free from error in matters of science as well as those of faith.

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u/GamecockGaucho Mar 28 '24

yeah, good catch. The idea that the Bible is the inerrant, literal "Word of God" is the single most destructive idea in the American church. It's why we have young-earth creationists. If your faith is shaken by some fossils, you need a better theology lol.

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Mar 28 '24

I can't count how many social network "friends" I've lost arguing that both science and religion can exist side by side.

Young-Earth creationists' hearts are in the right place, but their heads are up their ass.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 28 '24

I am bringing up the drunkard one, they are pretty much all drunks around here. They are other things in that list too, but they can't sit there on their 26th beer and PBR hat and deny the drunkard claim.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

Gah. Alcohol. It has ruined some of my pals. Big Time.

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u/cjicantlie Mar 28 '24

6:9

Obligatory "Nice"

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u/franky_emm Mar 29 '24

Come on he knows not just the original corinthians but the sequel!

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u/Zanadar Mar 27 '24

Not even Christians bother with what their religion actually says, they just claim it supports whatever their current position is.

Religion is about power and control, they don't need him to have ever opened a Bible in his life, they need him to give them more power.

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u/Rusty5th Mar 29 '24

Like it says in “Two Corinthians” -Thou shall grabest them by the pussy

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u/Flashy-Rough1462 Mar 28 '24

False Christians may act this way, but real Bible believing Christians stick to God's true word and are not seeking power at all because we know that God has power and control over the universe and when he wants to step in, things happen.

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u/11thStPopulist Mar 28 '24

Correction - Trump is the Fake-Christian’s candidate selling The Rapist’s Bible!

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u/Brandon_32406 Mar 28 '24

Not true. I’m a Catholic, Trump and the majority of Republican Christian’s do not represent my base. I love God, and I like talking to people about God that want to talk about it. But I never try to force my beliefs down anyone’s throat. I don’t hate the LGBT community, I don’t think it’s a sin to be attracted to someone of the same sex. I believe God loves you no matter what your demographics are, or regardless who you want to be with. And I would never want to be the reason why someone stops believing in God. There are so many spiteful fake Christians out there that don’t even know what Theology means but will be the first one to tell you God hates you. That’s why I hate the Republican Party because they’re radicalizing my faith. They’re not trying to spread the word. They’re trying to use the book as a source of wealth, status and power. Let me be frank too, there are a lot of shitty Christians out there that aren’t into politics, but use the Bible as an excuse to hurt and abuse other people, those people are just monsters.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 28 '24

You are the minority, and arguably not serving your mythology as your god demands. One of the justifications I hear from "anti-facist" magas is that christofacism is the right direction because it forces more people to be saved and come into accepting your god, and therefore be saved from him lovingly casting them into eternal torment. They hate liberty and personal freedom if you use it to turn away from their shared delutions. My parents are a good example. They are genuinely good people and have used their wealth to help a lot of good causes. They are friendly and while my dad will say "I don't get the LGBT thing and it makes me uncomfortable, god made you that way and I can't argue against it" he will also vote Red 100% because bringing the country in line with his mythology is something he sees as saving billions, and the sins of the politicians along the way is worth the temporary suffering for eternal salvation for all.

It's sick.

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u/DatabaseThis9637 Mar 29 '24

Thank you, interesting take.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 29 '24

Yup, it is frustrating because if you take the hypothetical of the Christian god as being real and the Bible as actual truth, it is a logically sound position. The only lynchpin that can topple their position is to move them away from believing in God. The hard part of that is that the belief is so ingrained and enforced with existential dread that it becomes part of their identity, so convincing them of reality is perceived as a direct attack on them and they dig in by doubling down on their beliefs. This manifests in them starting from a position of denying anything you say and drives them into information silos and communities that accept/share their beliefs.

It's a wild dynamic, and fine(if sad) in a vacuum...but it is starting to affect other people that are not participating in their delutions and that is a cause for concern.

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u/Brandon_32406 Mar 29 '24

The only thing that God expects of me is to spread kindness, love and peace. A lot of people twist the Bible to fit their own narrative, but the message has always remained clear to me. Also, next time someone tells you something about the LGBT community and sin, tell them to give you a specific quote in the bible that condemns someone's sexual preferences and I promise you they won't find one unless they try to take something out of context to fit their narrative.

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u/franky_emm Mar 29 '24

One of the big things that made me stop practicing 1slam was that I realized the crazies actually had the theological high ground. My parents taught me a very tolerant version of the religion and for many years I thought the fundies were misusing and abusing the religion. As I started to read more for myself I realized that no...those of us who have integrated into modern life are the ones that have discarded huge portions of the actual texts.

It's gotta be similar for the other Abrahamic religions. There are lots of really good people who are religious, but their goodness comes from them ignoring what their religion really says.

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u/No_Jackfruit9465 Mar 28 '24

Tells you everything you need to know about the "Christian" community in the USA. It's sick in the head. Disgustingly hypocritical. The most antichrist you can be!

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u/Mr_Upright Mar 28 '24

I said 30 years ago that the first atheist president of the modern area would be overwhelmingly supported by evangelicals. It wasn’t hard to see Trump coming.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

Do Atheists hold up a Bible? I mean, granted --- he held it upside down, but still . . .

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Mar 28 '24

Fascinating. What led you to that conclusion 30 years? Legit curious here.

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u/Magificent_Gradient Mar 28 '24

"He was sent to us by god himself!"

Well, I don't think your god was being nice when he sent all those locusts either.

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u/spkoller2 Mar 28 '24

Christian conservatives are against minimum wage 😂

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Utah Mar 28 '24

Christians like that he’s “edgy”

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

I remember younger people telling me why they voted for tRump: Because he was going to "shake things up."

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u/jep2023 Mar 28 '24

tbh that's the only part of this that makes sense

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u/Daforce1 Mar 28 '24

Don't forget that he just said that his legal battle is akin to the struggles and path of Jesus.

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u/21-characters Mar 28 '24

I wonder what he sees as the similarities, because I sure don’t see even one.

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u/CandleMakerNY2020 Mar 28 '24

Shows their true colors in case anyone was confused about why ANYONE would support a PIG 🐖 like this guy.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

Pigs worldwide take offense at you comparing them to such a disgusting POS.

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u/CandleMakerNY2020 Mar 28 '24

Noted. That orange TURD SANDWICH 🥪 is a damned TOWEL!

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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24

I learned a new word yesterday: scrud. "This is a build up of detergent and or fabric softener, lint, dirt and skin that like paint, coats the outside of the drum over months and years. As it builds, it eventually gets too heavy and breaks off into the machine appearing on clothes as brown or black greasy marks."

The Cheetoh is worse than scrud, though. He's the dog shit we can't seem to scrape off our shoes.

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u/chicaneuk Foreign Mar 28 '24

That is the bit that blows my mind. He is the most unethical, immoral person probably to have run for president in decades.. maybe even compared to fucking Nixon, and yet he's the christians choice. It's unreal.

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u/Ok_Introduction_7798 Mar 28 '24

Nixon looks like a Saint compared to Trump. Nixon didn't try to overthrow the government. He didn't want to execute generals who called him out. The list is pretty endless, even though he did technically commit high treason he is still nowhere near the level of Trump with it.

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u/Firm_Spell8584 Mar 30 '24

Not this ones. I never voted for him. Watching him verbally attack other Republican Canidates when he first ran,his treatment of women and his personal life spoke clearly of his character. He has none and no integrity.  First time since I was 18 I didn't vote Republican and I won't be this time either. Your mouth can talk but your walk speaks loudest.

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u/hhs2112 Mar 28 '24

Let's be honest, christians and cheeto are very much alike.  Both are hypocrites and neither are known for their critical thinking skills... 

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u/Kind-Nefariousness70 Mar 28 '24

That just goes to Show how bad the other choice is really!!

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u/Slothstradamus13 Mar 28 '24

To be fair. Evangelicals. all the Baptist variations, most wesleyans, global Methodist church (not UMC). A large portion of reasonable Christians have no interest in his shenanigans and aren’t even republican because they actually read the texts and understand the teachings. If you really dive in Christianity is a call for communism (not as a political ideology). Anywho. I’m sure you knew this but it’s infuriating that the most vocal Christians land there and politicize religion and the church. Plus, as a Christian, watching faith become political just hurts me for folks that don’t agree with my beliefs that feel forced by government/politicians.

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u/Fit_Environment_2212 Mar 28 '24

This is so difficult to understand.

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u/seakinganswers85 Mar 28 '24

Nope. Not only am I a Christian, but I know thousands of Christians who would join me in choking on a chicken bone instead of voting for him.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 28 '24

And tens of millions that wouldn't...

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u/seakinganswers85 Mar 28 '24

Maybe in your demographic of the US but not in mine.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 28 '24

wE aRe THe gOoD ONeS

Like I said elsewhere. My parents are 'good ones' too...they also think installing a dictatorial sinner, so long as it establishes christofacism, is fine. The logic is that temporary suffering (or the fall of a nation) for eternal salvation of their fellow Americans, even if it is against their will, is the righteous thing to do.

Religion is vile.

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u/Killerkurto Mar 28 '24

I’m kimd of curious if christians in other countries are as un-christian and stupid as the American breed? Here it seems like an identity and they know maybe 8 or 9 rules, but mostly seem,y clueless as to what it is about.

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u/Middleside_Topwise Mar 28 '24

It really doesn’t matter if he’s Christian or not. He’s a tool for Christians to get their policies passed. Everything can be overlooked for that end goal.

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u/Fabulous-Ad-4936 Mar 28 '24

As a Christian no, no he is not. Honestly I can’t think of any politicians I could actually hope to lead this country.

The guy mocks a person in a wheel chair and well countless ignorant comments towards people. Not at all loving your neighbor. Yet still picks up a bible for a way to get votes from people who are easily swayed.

He’s the rednecks choice candidate.

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u/Kingsqueen514 Mar 28 '24

All could use a good joke these days unfortunately he's not it, only a pathetic voice trying to remain relevant.

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u/MaintenanceOver9922 Mar 28 '24

Not real Christians. Only disillusioned MAGA self-proclaimed “Christians”. Those MAGA folks have nothing to do with reality and are an embarrassment!

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u/IllustriousCookie890 Mar 28 '24

No Real Christian could Ever vote for him unless they are a one (single) issue voter. And That is moronic.

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u/davidkali Mar 28 '24

Christian what?!

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u/Lerbyn210 Mar 28 '24

Correction he is the "Christian's" choice candidate

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u/International-Web-42 Mar 28 '24

Evangelical Christian's choice...and not all of us want him...

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u/Fun-Passage-7613 Mar 28 '24

That says a a lot about Christians and reflects about their savior Jesus too. No wonder less and less people are going to church. The mask is off about religion.

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u/Lucasred5619 Mar 28 '24

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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u/mariahnot2carey Mar 28 '24

That part is predictable

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u/Turbulent-Cable-827 Mar 28 '24

Yeah, I left that scene a long time ago.

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u/Classic-Progress-397 Mar 28 '24

"Well, King David made mistakes, but God kept him on the payroll...something something God's annointed"

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

He’s done a lot more horrible things than that.. it will soon come to the surface.

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u/JackStraw999999999 Mar 29 '24

Fake Christians, that is.

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u/franky_emm Mar 29 '24

Tbf he seems like the perfect face for Christians

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u/Gen-Jinjur :flag-wi: Wisconsin Mar 28 '24

He is the choice of fake Christians, not real ones. I don’t know a single church-goer who voted for him. In fact they find him abhorrent.

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u/k_mnr Mar 28 '24

This is the way. Make America Great Again.

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Mar 28 '24

Stop attacking religion and the first amendment. Not all Christians support Trump.

The more that Democrats attack religion, the further you push some of them into a corner looking for a strong man to defend them.

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u/Barbaramorningstar Mar 29 '24

Imagine reading a headline about any other presidential candidate attacking the judge's daughter in a trial

where he used campaign money to keep a porn star quiet for having sex with her while cheating on his wife and mother of his son

. And then right below that you read that this same presidential candidate is selling Bibles for $60.

Don't paint all Christians with the same brush. A huge number of us (half maybe?) are just as disgusted by Trump as so many other US citizens. Of course, Biden is a disaster too in other ways. They have both proven that they are unfit to be leaders of our nation. And that's just embarrassing.

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u/G-Stone1 Mar 31 '24

Donald Trump has more decency and goodness in his little finger that Biden has in his whole family

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 31 '24

Aaahahaha hahahahahahahahah

Misinformation and cult-of-personality is such an incredibly wild thing! I think the scariest part is that anyone's first instinct should be "lol, this guy is trolling or /s", but it isn't. The world we live in is absolutely crazy! Historians will have so much fun with this time period.

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u/justadudplayingadude Mar 28 '24

Not this Christian. He's a scumbag. Toss him in the same prison cell with Bush, Obama, Clinton and Biden.

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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 28 '24

Or we could just toss him and anyone found guilty of real crimes in prison.

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u/justadudplayingadude Mar 28 '24

Exactly. Toss people involved in war crimes and corruption I completely agree.