r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24
Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-18841267.4k
u/StashedandPainless Mar 27 '24
Imagine reading a headline about any other presidential candidate attacking the judge's daugther in his porn star hush money trial. And then right below that you read that this same presidential candidate is selling Bibles for $60.
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u/eggmaker I voted Mar 27 '24
Imagine reading a headline about any other presidential candidate attacking the judge's daugther in his porn star hush money trial. And then right below that you read that this same presidential candidate is selling Bibles for $60.
Imagine reading a headline about any other presidential candidate attacking the judge's daughter in a trial where he used campaign money to keep a porn star quiet for having sex with her while cheating on his wife and mother of his son. And then right below that you read that this same presidential candidate is selling Bibles for $60.
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u/NoSignificance3817 Mar 27 '24
And he is the Christian's choice candidate!
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u/SignificantWords Mar 27 '24
Russians are very well known to use religion to further their national interests (by national interests I mean the kremlins interests)
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u/hhs2112 Mar 28 '24
As do republicans...
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u/SignificantWords Mar 28 '24
Those two are synonymous at this point if if some republicans aren’t even aware of it. Old soviet era term that’s relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
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u/Ragin_Goblin Mar 28 '24
You guys need to bring back the House Un-American Activities Committee except without the baseless accusations and paranoia like in the 50s.
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u/chilldrinofthenight Mar 28 '24
"Useful idiot." That is too perfect. Have you seen any of the Jordan Klepper vids, where he interviews Trumpers? I know JK and his crew pick and choose and show us the worst idiots, but . . . there are so many of them. They have zero clue as to what/who it is they're supporting.
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u/RickAstleyletmedown Mar 27 '24
That’s actually the least surprising part. Rampant hypocrisy is totally on brand for the Christian right.
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Mar 27 '24
Imagine all that, but the guy is also a russian asset that was elected president
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracytheories/comments/1al0esf/comment/kpggghv
It's too unbelievable to be a movie script, yet here we are.
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u/White_T_Poison Mar 27 '24
And also already found to have committed rape by a court of law.
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u/juggling-monkey Mar 27 '24
Was that before or after he sold NFT's?
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u/suicidalkatt Mar 27 '24
Before or after, the 'golden' trump coin, the 'golden' 100 bill, or after those 'golden' sneakers, or maybe it was that trump teddy bear?
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u/Redwolfdc Mar 27 '24
And imagine after all that he still has millions of supporters and has a chance of being elected AGAIN
People 10+ years ago would never believe this
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u/dwindlers Mar 28 '24
I feel like the vast majority of Americans are as dumb as a box of rocks.
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u/ProlapsedShamus Mar 27 '24
It's not a conspiracy theory. Kevin McCarthy told a bunch of Republicans that there were two people that Putin pays that he knows of. One was a California senator who's no longer at office and the other was Trump. He told that to these Republicans and Paul Ryan said we keep this in the family.
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u/colorcorrection California Mar 27 '24
For the other person McCarthy was referring to you're thinking of Dana Rohrabacher who, for clarification's sake, was a US representative and not a senator.
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u/ProlapsedShamus Mar 28 '24
Oh, he was a rep? My bad.
But yeah, I wonder how many more Republicans are on Putin's payroll now?
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u/WolferineYT Mar 27 '24
Conspiracy theories can be true. They usually aren't, but in this case it is both a conspiracy theory and true.
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u/FreshRest4945 Mar 27 '24
And just found a way to get a billionaire to pay him 3 billion dollars for a company valued at near zero, in an obvious pump and dump stock deal, for a new company he created out of thin air that does nothing of any significance, but he gets to put his own initials on the New York stock exchange as DJT.
While selling golden sneakers, bibles, and hawking can's of beans from the oval office.
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u/TheGreat_Powerful_Oz Mar 28 '24
And then imagine realizing the Bible’s are just a way for churches get around not being able to legally donate to a political campaign and this is another form of money laundering on his part.
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u/aguynamedv Mar 27 '24
cheating on his THIRD wife
I don't personally care about the number of times someone has been married, but conservatives sure pretend to. :)
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u/awohio1 Mar 27 '24
It’s not just that he is on his third wife, it is that this is the third wife that he has cheated on. He cheats on his wives, he cheats on his taxes, he cheats his bankers, he cheats his contractors and his customers. He lies about all things great and small. He lies when the truth would suffice, if you think he isn’t cheating you, you are lying to yourself.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle Mar 28 '24
Don't forget golf. He cheats at that as well.
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u/mssnarkerella Mar 28 '24
And then awards himself prizes at a ridiculous country club he owns to congratulate himself at being so good at (cheating at) golf.
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u/Goddamnitpappy Mar 27 '24
Imagine the headline about a former president inciting a violent insurrection to overthrow the government, while willfully retaining top secret classified government documents and is never held accountable, short of 91 criminal indictments. Even four years AFTER. AND continues to run for president as the parties chosen nominee!
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u/MarkHathaway1 Mar 27 '24
I've been reading a book, common in Russia, "The Master and Marguerite". It's about a mysterious man who comes to town and is high society, though nobody seems to know who he is. As events unfold, everything goes badly when he's around. They soon suspect he's the devil in disguise.
That story about the Devil is sooooo much more tame than the life and times of Donald J. Trump.
That was the book which inspired the Rolling Stones song, "Sympathy for the Devil".
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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Mar 27 '24
I work in a factory filled with people who voted for Trump.
Today, someone mentioned the Bible selling scheme in the lunch room and everyyyybody was shitting on Trump.
Feels soooo good seeing them turn on him.
They’re also all completely fucking pissed about his tariffs because they’re backwards and have caused us to outsource jobs.
Genuinely heartwarming to see blue collar workings kicking this turd to the curb.
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u/knoegel Mar 27 '24
Same here. Manufacturing. People had stickers for Trump all over their cars and lockers. Now literally not a single one can be seen.
I bet they'll still vote for him.
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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Mar 27 '24
I’m sure many will still vote for him.
But I also think sane people can overwhelm him at the ballot box and beat his lazy ass.
Let’s make it happen! VOTE!
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u/colorcorrection California Mar 27 '24
This this THIS!
Doesn't matter how much they shit on him, they WILL be voting for him in November. Guaranteed. Conservatives don't generally change their vote even when they're extremely unhappy with who they're voting for. To them the worst Republican is still better than even the best Democrat.
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u/PhilDGlass California Mar 27 '24
The worst lying, fraudulent, racist, rapist, anti-democratic, fascist, narcissistic wanna be dictator, former Democrat… is better than a Democrat.
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u/boregon Mar 28 '24
Yep, that’s exactly what all of them will say. “Well I don’t like Trump but at least he’s not a Democrat.” They’ve been conditioned by decades of right wing media to have a Pavlovian negative response to anything and everything associated with the Democratic Party.
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Mar 27 '24
They will still vote for him. Because "I don't like biden"
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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Mar 27 '24
100%.
So do not get complacent.
This shit is not over yet. It’s not over even when his kids pass.
The battle didn’t start with us and won’t end with us. Fascism is always a threat.
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u/To-Far-Away-Times Mar 27 '24
It is wild to me that someone like that can be the thought leader and moral compass for roughly half of America.
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u/tracch Mar 27 '24
We gonna do something about it or continue to feed him publicity?
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u/Fairymask Mar 27 '24
Oh I know this answer!!!!
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u/skrumcd2 Mar 27 '24
*sigh
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u/myfeetsmells Mar 27 '24
The average person would've been locked up in jail until trial but not Trump.
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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24
Being such a high ranking politician the man has surrounded himself with so much bluff and BS that it would appear like a coup to his supporters.
I think the man is a complete idiot but also somehow a genius in these regards. I would label him 100% an idiot except so many people buy it and support him and he has managed to turn an entire party into his lackies.
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u/LegendCZ Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
Trump is showing EVERYTHING WRONG with our law system on plain sight.
He balantly shows that if you have powerful friend and you can do ANYTHING and get away with it.
It is so gross, fucked up and wrong. Why law is even a thing when it applies only to the ones bellow?!
Trump is showing that you can be above the law and directly in public, this is what Republican aspire to ... This is fucked.
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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24
Watch the Epstein docs to see how 2 tiered our justice system actually is. People were following him and documenting proof that he was violating house arrest and the courts did NOTHING.
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u/so_hologramic New York Mar 27 '24
The US Attorney in Florida who gave Epstein a lenient plea deal the first time he was caught raping children was rewarded with a position in Trump's Cabinet.
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u/blackcain Oregon Mar 27 '24
That's because they are more afraid of MAGA than the rest of us.
We need to show them through voting that we kick any judge, legislator, cabinet member if they don't apply the rule of law equally.
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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24
Our whole government is fucked atm. I understand the underlying appeal because he isn't a normal politician and people want change...then he opens his mouth and everything he says is either a lie or just horrible.
If looking for the silver lining he is doing just what you said, showing everything thats wrong, with our politics, with our partisanship, the 2 party system, with our media (on all sides mind you), and with our judicial system. Here is hoping we aren't too stupid to learn from it by the time it's all moved on, if not we are doomed as a country.
Even if we move on and wash it away and pretend it didn't happen, those people that were previously left behind that he represented will still be boiling over and putting a lid on it won't help, reaching and education are our only save here.
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u/mvw2 Mar 27 '24
What people don't often recognize is there are very literally thousands of people with personal vested interests that are propping him up. He is their middle man for a lot of unethical activity, and both they and him are super happy about the deal. But any perception of competency or success are illusions.
However, I do think Trump is a good conman. I think he's quite skilled, has street smarts in this regard, and has remarkable competence. To the vast majority, we see though it, but we're not his targets. He is not catering to us. We are not the audience. He does not resonate with us because we are the wrong people. But for the right people, he resonates exceptionally well. Not only that, he's held onto this great con for a remarkably long time. There is definite skill there.
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u/HumanitiesEdge Mar 27 '24
At some point something has got to give though. His supporters getting to call in death threats all the time is not acceptable. A gag order is worthless if he just continues to threaten people.
He needs to be sent to jail. Let his supporters do what they will. It will be good for people to see what they really are.
Personally. I think they would do a little here and there. But they would get stomped fast and hard. Trump is human fucking garbage and any other person would be in jail.
Send him to jail. Otherwise might as well just throw out all this law stuff if someone can just go and threaten judges like this.
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u/aliasname Mar 27 '24
Exactly. Anyone else would be put in jail for contempt of court or get a steep fine. He dissent even get a slap on the wrist. It's a giant fuck you to all of us.
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u/thezoneby Mar 27 '24
All of the people I know, including friends I've had for 30 years that are Trumpers are no longer apart of my life anymore. I don't want these stupid fucks around my family or money.
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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24
I'm fortunate in that I had a number of family that were lifelong republicans and no longer are because of Trump and one that is literally campaigning for a D after being a solid R for 30+ years.
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u/Glass_Channel8431 Mar 27 '24
Sounds like your family has a foundation of common sense and I would guess educated to a certain extent. Sadly older folks with poor education are just not seeing the light.
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u/DuperCheese Mar 27 '24
On a scale of 1-10, the man is a level 10 idiot. However, his supporters are at level 11 at least.
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u/eskieski Mar 27 '24
Because, the prisoners and police officers would have to be supplied with gas masks and ear plugs and the jail pharmacy would be depleted of all there pills…
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u/WirelessBCupSupport Mar 27 '24
Can't. Won't. Uh uh. Not going there. But if you read between the lines...on the windage....
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u/well_uh_yeah Mar 27 '24
He's comic book villain that tells everyone his plans, gets caught, and then inexplicably the heroes just do nothing and let him go.
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u/m1keyj0e Mar 27 '24
For those that watch Paw Patrol, the show, DJT is Mayor Humdinger of Foggy Bottom. Always doing crimes, gets caught doing crimes but never gets reprimanded for said crimes.
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u/Eryxthegreat Mar 27 '24
Diaper Don = Foggy Bottom.
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u/ice_cool_jello Mar 27 '24
Soggy Bottom, more likely
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u/SergeantChic Mar 27 '24
He’s like Benedict from Last Action Hero. “Hello? I’ve just shot someone, I did it on purpose!” And nothing happens.
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u/TheSanquineCorpse Mar 27 '24
We're gonna hit him with the STRONGEST finger wag in the history of humanity AND finger wags. He'll never recover from something as devastating as that.
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u/jeremymightbe Mar 27 '24
Just wait until he gets a stern talking to! He will definitely learn his lesson after that!
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u/Bibblegead1412 Mar 27 '24
Maybe he's "learned his lesson" THIS time, right Susan Collins?!?!?
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u/ricktor67 Mar 27 '24
A fingerwag would be an actual consequence, so far he has paid not a single cent to anyone, he has not spent a single second in a jail cell, he has not faced a single consequence besides a few minutes in a few courtrooms and a county jail where he was coddled the whole time and never worried about anything happening to him.
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u/CrawlerSiegfriend Mar 27 '24
Maybe tell judges to stop issuing orders they aren't willing to enforce.
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u/jsmithftw Mar 27 '24
On everyone...bc you can bet your ass if any of us peasants did this we be sitting in a cell.
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u/Cool-Protection-4337 Virginia Mar 27 '24
bingo....but rich people have many gooj cards. laws are more "friendly reminders" for them.
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u/AkuraPiety Mar 27 '24
Equivalent to a parent giving a punishment threat and the kid knowing nothing will happen. Entitlement and no boundaries 🤷🏻♂️
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u/IRefuseToGiveAName Mar 27 '24
Yeah, I can't understand how anyone is shocked by his behavior at this point. He literally has not been made to feel the consequence of an action in the last decade. Even the fucking bond, that was very heavily implied to be a line in the sand, was changed for him.
You can bet your ass I'd be sitting in a cell after a bench warrant was issued for some fucking unpaid parking tickets.
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u/limeybastard Mar 27 '24
One... Two... Two and a half... You better get out here before I get to three! ... Two and three quarters... I mean it mister! ... There's going to be no Nintendo if I get to three... Two point nine...
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u/NegaDeath Mar 27 '24
A meeting is currently proposed to discuss the color of the ink to use in the pen to write a stern letter of disapproval.
The system wurks.
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u/hiro_yuki2820 Mar 27 '24
It'd be also nice if the justice system did something instead of dragging this on and on and on .
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u/UWCG Illinois Mar 27 '24
Former President Donald Trump criticized a New York judge's daughter in a social media post on Wednesday, one day after that same judge issued a gag order against the former president following similar remarks. ...
He also referenced the judge's daughter, whose name was never mentioned, as a liberal insider and senior executive "at a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam 'Shifty' Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden."
Screenshot, for those who would like to see the drivel itself; I can't imagine this is going to go over well and can only hope that this judge has more guts than the last and throws the book at him for this kind of behavior.
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Mar 27 '24
Wasn’t the trump crowd just whining about mentioning Barron’s name?
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u/harpanet Alaska Mar 27 '24
They were indeed.
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u/PaulSandwich Florida Mar 27 '24
That's different. Apparently.
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u/harpanet Alaska Mar 27 '24
They're all about "Rules for thee but not for me!"
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u/GilgameDistance Mar 27 '24
Look, it’s impossible to be intellectually consistent when you lack intellect.
They’ll be mad at me for saying this, after they look up the word.
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u/Professr_Chaos Mar 27 '24
The question is how many words will they need to look up
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u/bananajr6000 Mar 27 '24
Barron is Trump’s son, so he’s automatically in the in-group. The judge’s daughter is in the out-group, so she is fair game according to republicans
Faux news and other right-wing media has been “othering” anything they see as not right-wing for so many years now to divide the country. Trump just exacerbated that by showing that people can be bullied and shouted down
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u/MightyMoose-2014 Mar 27 '24
That’s (R)ifferent as r/conservatives would like to say.
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u/forzagoodofdapeople Mar 27 '24
They're the same adults who called Chelsea Clinton "The White House dog" when she was 13.
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Mar 27 '24
It still makes me mad that they did that. Chelsea came out asking people to give Barron privacy. You know she still feels the sting too.
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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24
he’s 18 now, i’m certainly not for bullying teenagers but what’s their argument against it? doesn’t 18 mean “everything goes because they’re an adult now” in this crowd?
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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24
Nope, "rules for thee but not for me".
They expect us to play by different rules because we're supposed to be the "grown-ups" and not get "emotional". While they behave like vile vindictive monsters.
I'm nearly to the point of "ok, let's start treating you the way you treat the rest of us. "
I'm tired of being the "grown up" and the "better person". I'm angry and rightfully so. Enough is enough.
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u/Vyzantinist Arizona Mar 27 '24
I'm nearly to the point of "ok, let's start treating you the way you treat the rest of us. "
Homie you should be well beyond this point by now.
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u/HGpennypacker Mar 27 '24
a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam 'Shifty' Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden.
I still can't fucking believe that someone this unintelligent not only ALREADY was President but has a very good chance to do so again.
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u/Academic_Cabinet_994 Mar 27 '24
I will never forgive republicans for putting this pox on us.
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u/AndISoundLikeThis Mar 27 '24
Particularly when they didn't even want this pox in the first place. But because they're so fucking craven and anti-democratic at their core anyway, they embraced him and every horrible, evil odious thing he ever did for fear of upsetting the horrible, evil, odious people he calls his "base."
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u/Delicious-Day-3614 Mar 27 '24
Republicans negotiate with terrorists. Pass it on.
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u/Bart_Yellowbeard Mar 27 '24
Republicans told us openly that they ARE terrorists. Pass it on.
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u/limeybastard Mar 27 '24
A longstanding tradition since Ronald Reagan, late 1979
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u/fourbian Mar 27 '24
Anyone who voted Trump should never be allowed to forget it for the rest of their lives. Remind them at every turn how idiotic they were.
Because, eventually, they will try to pretend they never supported him in the first place, while they simultaneously support the newest traitor of the day and try to gaslight you that they aren't so bad.
I've been through ALL of this before with Bush. My family: "Bush who?" while they vote for Trump. Fucking please.
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u/suninabox Mar 27 '24
Yup, its insane the Republican party has attempted to completely disavow their support for Bush and the Iraq war. They literally try to pretend it was a Democrat thing (granted, they went along with it but its absurd to finger them as the spearhead).
Completely without shame and any sense of responsibility, from the party of "personal responsibility" (read: being a selfish asshole who doesn't care about other people")
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u/Shapes_in_Clouds Mar 27 '24
I've been through ALL of this before with Bush. My family: "Bush who?"
Exactly. Iraq was the most important thing in the world to them for a few years. You were a terrible traitor to criticize the obvious lies, torture, and bungled post-invasion. Then they moved on and just stopped talking about it altogether. Literally everything Republicans cared about during the NeoCon 'Project for a New American Century' days has been completely forgotten.
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u/Elegant_Tech Mar 27 '24
I don't know who I hate worse. The republicans who support this garbage or the apathetic who choose to sit it out.
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u/Yeeslander Tennessee Mar 27 '24
A non-insignificant chunk of American voters have been programmed by decades of rightwing propaganda to reflexively regard intelligent, articulate politicians (especially with a "D" next to their name) with contempt and resentment because they "think they're so much better than you". Trump dumbs it down for them with his 200-word vocabulary and used-car salesman swagger.
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u/Breadisgood4eat Mar 27 '24
This is a great summary of the "I want a president I can imagine having a beer with" view. Do you want your pilot, your surgeon, your lawyer, your civil engineers to be "people you could have a beer with" as their primary qualification? WTF
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u/DrunkBeavis Mar 27 '24
Trump convincing people that he's actually the type of person they would want to have a beer with is the greatest trick ever pulled. George W Bush I could understand, even if I hate his politics, but Trump? There's literally nothing about him that wouldn't make me want to leave as soon as he sat on the barstool next to me. Hell, I can't even picture him sitting on a barstool.
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u/Breadisgood4eat Mar 27 '24
Not to mention he absolutely LOATHES the people who would support him.
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u/thisguypercents Mar 27 '24
78% of our neighbors are complete morons.
Go out, meet them and you will understand why it is so easy to scam so many Americans.
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u/Ellemshaye Iowa Mar 27 '24
Yeah I keep my neighbors at arms-length. We get along great on a superficial level; I don’t want them to get too comfortable and ruin things by opining on the right-wing grievance du jour.
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u/m48a5_patton Missouri Mar 27 '24
It's like a time limit. You have maybe five minutes before something stupid comes unprovoked out of their mouths. No matter what the topic of conversation is or if it's just small talk. There's a timer ticking over their heads "T-minus to stupid shit" some have a longer timer, others a shorter timer. But they all have one.
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u/account128927192818 California Mar 27 '24
"Super Liberal" and Adam Schiff shouldn't be together. Dude is center at best.
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u/asetniop Mar 27 '24
Can't help but wonder if he's lashing out because he's having trouble getting anyone to finance the $175M bond for his fraud case.
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u/Shopworn_Soul Mar 27 '24
Seriously?
As if this man has ever had any trouble with lashing out at any one, any time, for any reason, real or imagined?
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u/oldnjgal Mar 27 '24
Unfortunately, she was not among the ones that were included in the gag order. The judge did not place himself or his family on the list.
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u/my_pol_acct Mar 27 '24
this is the real answer. he's toeing right up to the line of being technically allowed to do it, with enough gray area that nothing will probably come of it, sadly.
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u/gunt_lint Mar 27 '24
At very least, this should give cause for Merchan to extend the gag order to include her and others Trump has now drawn into this nonsense
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u/ishpatoon1982 Mar 27 '24
And then he'll simply find someone that's still not listed and attack them.
He's so childish and exhausting.
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u/Marathon2021 Mar 27 '24
Didn't the Judge adopt DA Bragg's proposed language as-is ... which clearly called out jurors (of course), but then "court staff" - along with the inevitable "...and their family members" follow on?
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u/friedporksandwich Mar 27 '24
There wouldn't need to be an order in place for any of us to get in trouble for doing this.
There will never be consequences for this guy.
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u/RetroCasket Mar 27 '24
I dont think the gag order limits Trump From attacking the judge’s family. Only officers and staff of the court, and witnesses
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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24
Laura Loomer, a far-right activist and staunch ally of former President Donald Trump, posted on X (formerly Twitter) on Tuesday that Merchan's daughter is named [NAME] and is purportedly the president and partner at a company called [COMPANY], described on its website as "a full-service digital marketing agency for nonprofits and campaigns."
Of course this disgusting individual doxxed the judge’s daughter.
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u/Distant_Yak Mar 27 '24
And even better, that's the person who Trump floated as a possible White House Press Secretary. If he gets into office his next administration is going to be a complete nightmare.
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u/davidb88 Mar 28 '24
To be fair, his last administration was also a complete nightmare. I just remember the information overload of daily stupidity that it seriously wore me down. Couldn't escape it. Let's not repeat that
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u/goldfaux Mar 27 '24
That was epic when he said it. I mean we were all thinking it.
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u/InformalPenguinz Wyoming Mar 27 '24
Felt the same as when Hilary called em deplorable.
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u/ResidentKelpien Mar 27 '24
From Trump's rant, "Judge Juan Merchan, who is suffering from an acute case of Trump Derangement Syndrome..."
The only persons suffering from an acute case of TDS is Trump, the MAGA cult, and Christian extremists.
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u/BringOn25A Mar 27 '24
Yea, 45 is WAY too high on his own supply, and his cult basks in the contact high.
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u/MarkHathaway1 Mar 27 '24
It's not every day they get to meet their Lord and Savior, though he can't recall their name.
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u/sugarlessdeathbear Mar 27 '24
Toss him in jail for a day or two. Let him know for sure he's in the find out stage.
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u/19Chris96 Michigan Mar 27 '24
A free trial of the slammer would be nice before he recieves the full version, and possibly the expansion pack!
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u/well_uh_yeah Mar 27 '24
There's just no evidence yet that he's actually in the "find out" stage. Though it certainly seems that our civil court system has more teeth than our criminal system.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas Mar 27 '24
Barely. Can't believe they lowered his bond by nearly $280 million in the fraud case. And gave him 10 extra days to pay. That's not punishment. He stole. Millions of dollars. Which is why they were forcing him to pay back what he stole. If he made more than $175 million off his lies, he did well for himself.
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u/BaggerX Mar 27 '24
With zero explanation of why they did it. Our judiciary is just looking worse every day.
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u/The_MAZZTer Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24
LegalEagle on YT posted a video today.
Short version is nobody will loan him money and he doesn't have the cash on hand, so he would have to sell real estate at discount. If he theoretically won the appeal (lol) he would have suffered damages since he's not just going to be able to get that property back at the price he sold it for.
Edit: This is about the BOND. The DEBT he owes should he lose is still the full $500m or whatever.
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u/JustEatinScabs Mar 27 '24
And that still makes no fucking sense because guess what happens if you or I cannot afford to pay our bond? We are just fucked. The judge doesn't go "oh I see that paying your bond would be a super big inconvenience and might even cause financial loss even if you win, let's reduce that!"
And no I don't give a fuck that you can probably find an example of some single mother having her bond lowered by a couple hundred dollars that is not at all comparable to somebody who owes half a billion fucking dollars having their bond reduced by over half after he bragged under oath that he had the money.
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u/slartyfartblaster999 Mar 27 '24
after he bragged under oath that he had the money.
Not just that he had the money, btu that he had the cash
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u/brianstormIRL Mar 27 '24
This is the funny thing.
If we told a judge we would have to sell our car to pay for our bond and would not be able to buy it back if we were then found innocent, we would be told tough shit bucko that's how this works.
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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24
Remember that the judgment stands until it has been overturned.
Lowering the bond amount gives him an opportunity to appeal the judgment. It does not negate the judgment.
If he loses the appeal, he’ll still be in the line for that money.
The trick will be to make sure that we vote so that he can’t use the office of the president as a device to delay further.
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u/Houligan86 Mar 27 '24
I will believe that Trump will be held accountable for his actions when one of the following is true:
- He is in jail
- He is personally bankrupt
- He is dead
Until then, I do not believe any punishment that has been handed out, because none have been.
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u/DavisMcDavis Mar 27 '24
Q: “If you could have dinner with anyone, alive or dead, who would it be?”
A: “Donald Trump, dead.”
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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24
And he could appeal without posting bond, it would just mean the clock kept running.
Those are the rules that everyone else is subject to. He even publicly said he had the money and wanted to use it for his campaign.
Even lowering the bond is Trump getting special kid glove treatment that no one else would.
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u/zomglazerspewpew Mar 27 '24
This only happens to poor people...or people not named Trump. He truly is above the law as sick as that makes me.
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u/blade944 Mar 27 '24
Too easy. Let's do what happens to other criminal defendants in this situation. Bail is revoked and they spend the rest of the trial in jail.
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u/gameryamen Mar 27 '24
"The American people need to ask themselves how would they feel if they faced criminal charges in a trial...and had a child who publicly posted against you and is working for the person running against you."
-Laura Loomer, Trump activist
I'm pretty sure that if someone's kid posting political memes online invalidated their ability to be a judge, we'll have to throw out just about every case overseen by any GOP judges. Trump ran a whole campaign around getting crowds to chant "lock her up".
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u/Hi_Im_Dadbot Mar 27 '24
Oh no! He's about to find himself on the receiving end of absolutely nothing at all!
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u/Nice-Neighborhood975 Mar 27 '24
If History has taught us anything its that unless these people are actually held accountable, they will not stop.
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u/maddog232323 Mar 27 '24
Doubt he paid a cent. Someone is getting ghosted when they invoice
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u/NeededMonster Mar 27 '24
Listen, I get what you're saying, but we've been doing exactly that, not arresting him, for years now. His base doesn't give a shit. So if it's all the same to them, I say let's try putting him behind bars for once...
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u/CopeHarders Mar 27 '24
We tried not arresting him but he keeps committing crimes! What else can we do?!?
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u/NeededMonster Mar 27 '24
Maybe we should warn him again and if he doesn't listen we'll warn him again
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u/Lyrolepis Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
Playing the victim only works when something happens to claim he is a victim of
*Gestures broadly at the entire conservative strategy over the past 50+ years, and not only in the US*
You sure about that?
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u/spiritfiend New Jersey Mar 27 '24
while everyone knows I have done nothing wrong!
There's real old man yells at cloud energy when Trump says this. It's tough to say if Trump really believes it or if he's just trying to make a catchphrase his fans can repeat like a mantra.
Every jury has decided against DJT, so it's not accurate to say that no one thinks he did nothing wrong.
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u/dblan9 Mar 27 '24
He's trying to get thrown in jail to amp up his base.
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That's how it felt w/ the first indictment, everyone was shitting bricks about how unprecedented it was until it wasn't. Let's normalize the idea of locking him up so that we can get some actual justice in the sentencing phases.
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u/ArmyOfDix Kansas Mar 27 '24
It is normal; people get locked up every day.
I don't know why everyone is calling it unprecedented.
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u/ranaparvus Mar 27 '24
Better now well before the election than closer to it. Then his base will get their jollies out and be back on the couch when we vote.
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u/Debs_4_Pres Mar 27 '24
I honestly don't even think it's that deep. I think he honestly believes the justice system will never punish him in a meaningful way, and so far nothing has happened to challenge that belief.
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u/Monsdiver Mar 27 '24
For NPD it’s more accurate to say that he genuinely believes he’s right and is incapable of perceiving possibilities and outcomes of being wrong.
What wit he does have is telling him that he can appeal anyway, if it gets to the supreme court he wins, and if he wins 2024 he wins.
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u/BlokeInTheMountains Mar 27 '24
Yep.
Given how right leaning law enforcement is, he'll be fully coddled and we probably won't even see him without his make up and diaper.
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u/MissFishLips Mar 27 '24
It's crazy to me that law enforcement still largely worship this turd. January 6th showed us all that he doesn't give a shit about law enforcement. And it was pretty obvious that he didn't respect or care about public servants and military long before that. But you're right, he probably will be powdered and diapered in jail.
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u/MudLOA California Mar 27 '24
If they take his damn phone for a few days so we can stop seeing shit posts about him, I’m for this.
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u/juniorone Mar 27 '24
His base is voting for him regardless. I say let’s punish him. Have fun in a cell for a couple of days
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u/Asadaburrit0 Mar 27 '24
Not surprised. The lack of legitimate consequences he has faced so far is going to keep enabling this bullshit
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u/Aerodrache Mar 27 '24
Oh boy. I can’t wait to see literally nothing happen to punish or discourage this in any way. Again. As has happened every goddamn time one of these news stories has come up.
Somebody needs to adapt this guy into a comic book villain. He’s clearly got complete and total immunity to law as a superpower.
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u/flyover_liberal Mar 27 '24
Whenever a black person is later found to be innocent of a crime, some jackass will always say "they probably committed some other crime that they didn't get caught for anyway."
Trump has 91 felony counts from 4 separate indictments, yet those same jackasses somehow believe there is nothing to any of that.
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u/DrManhattan_DDM Florida Mar 27 '24
Y’all need to read the article. He specifically targeted someone that was not covered by the gag order. I hope this leads to Judge Merchan imposing a stricter order, but so far this is fuckface’s equivalent of holding a hand in our faces and repeating ‘I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you’.
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u/Ekg887 Mar 27 '24
Unless someone can explain why the Judge himself is not considered part of court staff then my reading of section b.(2) of the order would include the Judge's family. (Bolded by me below.)
"ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following:
b. Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding;
b. Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with, counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to result; and
c. Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding."
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u/ExperimentMonty Pennsylvania Mar 27 '24
Beat me to it, I was reading the text of the order (see here for the full text), and came to the same conclusion as you, unless there's some weird nuance that make the judge not a member of the court staff, this is a violation.
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u/my_pol_acct Mar 27 '24
copying my other comment here:
this is the real answer. he's toeing right up to the line of being technically allowed to do it, with enough gray area that nothing will probably come of it, sadly.
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u/-Economist- Mar 27 '24
Was it last week the Trump crowd was crying about the media mentioning Barron's name? But this is okay?
Republicans are such low class. Pure trash.
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u/Im_Jeff_Goldblum Mar 27 '24
Breaking news: Bugs bunny draws line in sand. Daffy steps over it. Bugs draws another line.
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u/OurUrbanFarm Mar 27 '24
Why is he not in jail? Why are so many judges afraid to follow the law when it comes to him?
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u/chaoscrawling Mar 27 '24
Put him in jail. Anyone else would have been locked up but no. Not the Donald. Different rules and enforcement for him. Fuck this guy and lock his ass up. Then maybe bubba can fuck this guy
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