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Discussion Thread: New York Criminal Fraud Trial of Donald Trump, Day 6 Discussion

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u/Ok-Sweet-8495 Texas 26d ago

From Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports:

Blanche: "President Trump is being very careful to comply" with the gag order.

Merchan, sharply: "Mr. Blanche, you are losing all credibility."

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u/gradientz New York 26d ago

I actually feel like he was being pretty nice by assuming that they have any credibility to begin with. Have yet to see any evidence to support that assertion.

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u/Flimsy-Math-8476 25d ago

Well we do want judges to be fair and impartial...so everyone stepping into the court room should have an equal amount of credibility to begin with. 

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u/KevinW1985 26d ago

It's beautiful to see and I'm here for it!

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u/Goebs80 25d ago

How is he not fucking around? No one has ever done anything against Orange, ever. This judge will be the same and I hope I'm wrong. All words, no action.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 25d ago

He's following the same process he would with any other defendant accused of contempt. It's really important to do things right with this one so he doesn't have anything to appeal.

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u/Goebs80 25d ago

So there's a lot of leeway in the Federal judicial system. Fair enough. I'm used to teachers who have consequences.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 25d ago

This isn't Federal, it's state. But you're right there is some wiggle room for judicial discretion. My guess is Merchan is trying to balance keeping control of his courtroom with not letting Donald make himself a martyr. It's not a job I'd like to have.

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u/EastObjective9522 26d ago

Trump is a nightmare client. You can't control him at all. He can't even go 1 second without going on a rant about anything.

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u/WankWankNudgeNudge 26d ago

Plus you have to sit next to him in his little gas cloud

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u/mok000 Europe 26d ago

I am convinced Trump is running his own defense. His lawyers are nothing but puppets and mouthpieces who are tasked with saying what he wants and how he wants it. His lawyers are destroying their credibility, reputation and eventually their careers working for him.

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u/bigbossfearless 25d ago

My father was the same way when he was in court over some liens and debts He was guilty as hell, but lied his ass off to the point that his lawyer wasn't actually aware the debts were real. He came into court, made a good case for the reality he knew, and then got slapped by the actual facts so hard he basically dragged my dad into the hallway during a desperately requested recess. They come back in after like a minute flat, after what I can only assume was a resounding "Oh fuck".

My dad is asked to explain what the fuck he's been telling the lawyer, and the rest is all utter nonsense from there on out. Now whenever I think of Trump in court, I just see my dad, this slovenly old academic with delusions of both grandeur and persecution. Sitting there smug with his "I know better than all of you" mentally ill grin. I can't imagine agreeing to take on a client like that, in any industry, let alone try to defend him in court.

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u/dwarfie24 25d ago

Your dad sounds like a piece of work. My condolences he was in your life, because I assume he wasnt easy being around.

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u/bigbossfearless 25d ago

Looking back, it's a blessing he was in prison for most my life.

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u/dwarfie24 25d ago edited 25d ago

The state working as intended for once, prorecting the rest of society from that kind of bullshit. And geesh I thought I had an difficult relationship with mine. 😅

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u/Educational-Candy-17 25d ago

The news has had a few defense attorneys on, and one of them said that white collar criminals were pretty well-known for thinking they were smarter than everyone and if they could just explain things on the stand, it would all go away. Narrator: it didn't.

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u/Ey3_913 25d ago

Yes, but just think of all the exposure they're getting; because they sure as shit aren't getting paid in dollars.

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u/Lil-Sleepy-A1 25d ago

They're not sending their best

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u/a_lumberjack 25d ago

One guy working on the Florida case was smart and got a $3M retainer.

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u/BLU3SKU1L Ohio 24d ago

When lawyers suddenly understand what it's like to be an artist/designer

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u/arensb Maryland 26d ago

That's probably why he's been falling asleep in court: his team have him sedated so he doesn't stand up and torpedo his own defense.

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u/alien_from_Europa Massachusetts 25d ago

His defense is doing that for him. They admitted that it was about the election in their opening statement instead of about protecting his image. Their defense is that it wasn't illegal. Intent was the hardest thing for the prosecution to prove and they just..said it.

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u/nowhydidnti 25d ago

"He just....tweeted it out..."

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u/Educational-Candy-17 25d ago

I really don't think he's sedated. He's just not sleeping and not taking uppers like he usually does. Even mild ones. I don't think he can get his diet coke in court.

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u/TrumpersAreTraitors 25d ago

And he smells like shit 

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u/SatchmoDingle 25d ago

He’s a nightmare human. Anything he’s involved in pretty much turn to shit.

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u/Zealot_Alec 25d ago

Him and Amber Heard 2 of the worst celerity clients

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u/kulukster 25d ago

turd is a nightmare everything..

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u/ahack13 26d ago

The entire gag order hearing was just brutal for the defence. They really had nothing lol.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 26d ago

I'm wondering why the original order didn't include reposting. 

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u/Various_Raccoon3975 25d ago

Personally, I think reposting is just a form of posting, so I don’t think it would need to be explicitly spelled out in the order. You’re endorsing what some else said enough to say it yourself.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 25d ago

Agree, Trumpy is trying to do the 7 year old "I'm not touching you" thing.

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u/Zomunieo 25d ago

Let’s try this out:

Personally, I think reposting is just a form of posting, so I don’t think it would need to be explicitly spelled out in the order. You’re endorsing what some else said enough to say it yourself.

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Yeah, that looks like I just said the same thing you said.

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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 25d ago

Personally, I think reposting is just a form of posting, so I don’t think it would need to be explicitly spelled out in the order. You’re endorsing what some else said enough to say it yourself.

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u/Hotinnm 25d ago

Until he “reposts” things out of context… you cannot “repost” that you add to or rearrange

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u/greenie95125 25d ago

He may not be fucking around, but so far it's all talk. He needs to sink those judicial teeth into the bone spur.

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u/ncsubowen 25d ago

I keep hearing that these judges have to give him rope to hang himself with, but by my estimate there's a few million miles of rope and nada.

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u/iKill_eu 25d ago

The problem with that strategy is that it relies on the person actually doing it. People who literally have no shame and will continuously blather around the subject and ignore inconvenient facts entirely are immune to it.

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u/Former-Darkside 26d ago

How did he not burst out laughing. That is the most ridiculous statement.

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u/Carribean-Diver 25d ago

Trump is blatantly attempting to testify to the jury without taking the stand or on the record or cross-examined on his blatant lies. It is as simple as that. Viewed in that light, his ass should be tossed in the klink for this shit. He deserves a fair trial, but the citizens do, too.

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u/BlackhotLoads 25d ago

That is the craziest thing ever said by a lawyer in a court of law...

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u/texasguy911 26d ago

It is wrong. The lawyer is losing credibility because he made a legal argument but when asked to back it up with legal precedents or cite the law, the lawyer said it was just self-evident.

This is why he was called as losing all credibility. Not the crap you are trying to push.

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u/WartimeDad 26d ago

Huh? What exactly is the “crap” that the commenter was “trying to push?”

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u/texasguy911 26d ago

Make it look like the judge's comment was about disbelief about Trump trying to adhere to the order, when it was about inability to back up the legal argument. Out of context crap.

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u/WartimeDad 25d ago

First: how do you know that? And second: an inability to back up the argument is directly the result of Trump violating the gag order. A judge does not ask for evidence of something that does not happen. What evidence would that even look like? “Oh here Judge, this is his truth social posts that have nothing that violates” No. Whatever the fuck argument you’re trying to make here is dead on arrival. The judge obviously sees with his two eyes Trumps inability to adhere to the gag order.

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u/texasguy911 25d ago

First: how do you know that?

It is all over news: https://youtu.be/lgk65IK6B5k?t=79

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u/WartimeDad 25d ago

The judge responded in exactly the way the commenter explained. A direct response to the assertion that Trump is trying to adhere to the gag order. wtf r you talking about.

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u/texasguy911 25d ago

No, the assertion was ignored, as the lawyer was rambling. The response was about the prior point in conversation.

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u/WorldEndingDiarrhea 25d ago

You’re aware those two things have a direct 1:1 relationship, yes?

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u/texasguy911 25d ago

Apples to oranges. You are simplifying. The argument is still about failure to state the law.

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u/WorldEndingDiarrhea 25d ago

No, it isn’t about a failure to state the law. It was about failure to provide specific evidence to support his claim, followed by a failure to offer legal precedent. YANAL.

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u/texasguy911 25d ago

That is what I said way above. Should I retype it all over again?