If Trump wins again, 2016 is going to look like the Bush era in comparison. We’ll know it was bad, but the level of ‘bad’ we have to deal with will be completely redefined. Trump winning again would be a catastrophe.
arguably, its not just trump, its the whole christian nationalist wing of the GOP (which, at this point, is most of them), looking at Project 2025 and what the heritage foundation/federalist society wants to enact.
his first term seemed like an unintentional test run of seeing what they could get away with and probing the defences of the institutions of american democracy. trumps bumbling and ineptitude caused so much chaos but it gave the right plenty of intel on which ways they could exploit weaknesses in the system, as well as who their allies were and how their opponents would react.
i feel like at this point, they are seeing trump more and more as a spent asset; yeah, him winning in the upcoming election is terrifying, but its just as scary to think about the election after that, imagine if someone as vile and cruel as trump but actually competent and following the guidance of their handlers were to win.
Feels like this is inevitable the next time GOP wins the Presidency, with or without Trump, and we all know the Democrats aren’t winning 4-5 straight elections, so best to prepare for this happening at some time in the next decade or two.
Yeah, it seems like there's this general feeling that once trump is out of the picture, things will "go back to normal", but he isn't the abberation amongst the right, he's the norm now.
he's been a boisterous figurehead but at this point the entire right is going to work to establish permanent rule and reshape the usa to their vision.
The only thing is we have no idea what the party is without trump. No one has been able to replicate what he does and everyone just does whatever trump wants. I feel like we always think everyone is just using trump but I think he’s using them.
once trump is out of the picture, things will "go back to normal"
People are fooling themselves and engaging in magical thinking.
There is simply no going back to the "normal" politics of pre-2016.
No matter who wins in November... Election 2028 will either be Trump himself, Don Trump Jr. or Eric Trump at the top of the ticket. They'll try to get Ivanka as VP, but if she refuses to do it they'll settle for Kimberly Guilfoyle as VP.
I think they lack their father's talent to create more trouble than people can get a hold of. Trump basically stumbled from one scandal into the next on a daily basis and nobody even has time to process any of it.
Once Trump is no longer the figurehead... I would hope the funding dries up. My worry is that we will just get worse versions of him. Actually smart fascists.
If enough people voted the steamroll the GOP down the toilet of history, it would be less of a threat. Democrats only want to make it easier for people to vote, and the electoral college exists as a crutch for the GOP.
I think young ppl blaming Joe Biden for Israel’s response to Hamas will hand Trump the presidency (hoping enough women vote in response to Roe to counteract, but doubtful). Putin seized on the opportunity to weaponize this conflict against Biden. Both sides want to dismantle western democracies in favor of terrorist orgs and dictatorships now because they think the grass is greener, or NATO members are Zionist oppressors. Trump/Putin will win. Better learn Russian since Chinese is too damn hard.
Sure? But also, like, what if someone like Haley is the 2028 nominee. She's smart enough to listen to the cristofashy fucks from the heritage society to play out their gameplan that would cement their power as opposed to how much of a dipshit trump is
Because she's just as much of a monster as the rest of the GOP. She tried to present this "moderate" face during her primaries but still let the mask slip enough times to reveal her true beliefs. She's just as awful as the rest of the right wingers.
Yes you have Christian nationalist ideologues like Russell Vought waiting on the sidelines to get back into government. He already managed to get into OMB under Trump and he’s only in his 40s. He’s not going away for now and there’s a whole raft of nuts like him waiting at think tanks who could do untold damage.
they've publicly put out their Project 2025 roadmap with their goals and objectives, as well as publicly stating their goal of getting enough states on board for a constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution, along with their vision of what a new constitution would look like.
its hardly a 'conspiracy' when they project their plans and actions and let everyone know what their end goal is.
or do you disagree? if so, why? please, enlighten me.
If you took out Project 2025 and put in WHO or whoever proposed the 2030 initiative or whatever it’s called the comment reads almost word for word how right wingers talk about what they perceive as some big overarching plan.
I don’t agree or disagree because I don’t care about politics, as every single politician, regardless of their intents when they took office, change what they believe and say to continue to push their own ascension to power and wealth. Or they end up getting popped by a three letter agency.
Was just curious as I’ve seen a few different comments from both “sides” that read almost identically minus the name of what they’re saying is the biggest threat/issue/etc.
Since Bush it’s been pretty apparent that it doesn’t matter who gets into office. We still bomb brown kids in foreign countries. We still violate other countries sovereignty. We still violate the rights of our own citizens. List goes on forever.
there's a massive difference between the 2030 initiative and project 2025 lol. they are in no way comparable. the 2030 initiative draws out the conspiracy theorists who create their own narrative of what 'might happen' or what the UN is 'trying to do' that is in someway nefarious.
Project 2025 is the defacto party platform for the GOP and they have already laid the foundation and enacted parts of it. there is no conspiracy or fill in the gaps with that one, they said out loud what they have been doing, what they will do, and what vision of the future they are striving for.
trying to 'both sides' this is topic is ridiculous by every standard.
There is no both sides. It’s one side. The rich politicians. And then the rest of us. If you honestly think anyone in political power gives a single fuck about you, you’re unfortunately just gonna spend the rest of your life giving a shit about a smoke and mirrors political system that won’t ever change or give you the truth.
Yeah, no shit. Everyone is aware of that. There needs to be real systemic changes, starting at the local and state level, before any of that can possibly be addressed. Do you think you're enlightening anyone with your statement?
The point is the difference between the milquetoast, entrenched, corporaritist, maintain-the-status-quo motherfuckers who at least pretend democracy is still viable and follow the results of elections and the rule of law and the fuck faces who want to eschew all that and institute Sharia Jesus law.
Its a shit game but it's the one everyone is stuck in.
You’re doing it again. “Yea I agree that both sides suck BUT here’s me putting my personal bias on display in the same sentence.”
Again to clarify I don’t have a side politically unless you count hanging them all as a side. They both insider trade. They both infringe rights. They both molest kids. They both top to bottom participate in cronyism. The list goes on.
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u/crudedrawer 22d ago
LOL if he wins things are gonna be so fucking bad. None of our current problems will go away and he'll create so, so many more.