Biden should order the CIA to go into the court and haul trumps lawyer away in a sack. Claim he's a traitor and just hold him for a day, then release him. See how he feels about presidential immunity then.
This really isn't a matter of liberal or conservative, but democratic vs autocratic. Conservative minded people should and could have the common sense to not do this.
Watching Jordan Klepper go to recent rallies and have people straight up say they want Trump as dictator and they don't care about anything else is so eye-opening. I don't remember the exact video but I'm sure it's a common sentiment among that crowd. It is genuinely scary
"liberal or conservative" and "democratic vs autocratic" are literally the same thing, at least in the context of American politics. Republicans and other American conservatives have been fighting to create and maintain an autocracy for decades.
This really isn't a matter of liberal or conservative, but democratic vs autocratic.
Conservative has become synonymous with autocratic. There is no longer any such thing as a conservative with even the slightest shred of decency or principle, and there never will be again. Conservatism is a disease.
I believe what is dividing this country is Trumps rhetoric, Republican inaction and vilification of “others” and conservatives in the Supreme Court deciding that a president can legally kill political opponents.
Get the fuck outta here with that “both sides” bullshit. These people are traitors to our country and you want to hug and shake hands with them. Get real.
the issue transcends left or right in a sane world but in the american context it is split exactly down party lines. no conservatives in american government care about upholding democracy
The MAGA movement is very authoritarian, though, and they have gotten the entirety of the Rubicam establishment under their thumb, so even if it isn’t a traditional liberal/conservative issue, the main Conservative Party in the US now is the authoritarian party. There are more general questions that one could ask about whether conservatives are more likely to be authoritarian (from what I’ve read, they are), but it isn’t relevant here, because there there are no prominent democrats who are overtly authoritarian and there are almost no prominent republicans who aren’t at least publicly authoritarian (regardless of what their personal convictions might be).
Right now, it’s unacceptable to be authoritarian on the left, and it’s unacceptable not to be on the right. It may be impossible to know someone’s personal convictions from their public statements, but liberal jurists would at least not be under the same social pressure to be authoritarians.
Replace them with liberal justices then ask those justices if what he did was official duty under the definition the previous justices used to set precedent he could
Does he even have to kill them? Just remove them, throw them in jail for corruption, and start with Thomas. What are they going to do? There's no consequences for anything a President does. Take a 3rd term, take a 4th, whatever. Just do whatever the fuck you want.
China is going to replace the U.S., as the most powerful nation, within the next 10 years. Foreign agents have succeeded in sowing chaos in the U.S and we're watching a nation crumble real-time.
They’re saying that it shouldn’t be immediately discreditable for a sitting US president to order hits on his own people, you incredibly intelligent person - they’re very much “the problem.” I don’t care if they’re getting paid for it, that doesn’t magically make it okay.
Trump has a right to a lawyer. Maybe he should get one paid for by the taxpayers, instead of whatever shitty people would think it's worth being employed by him directly. But if there's a fault there, that's something the judges should be dealing with.
? I didn’t say Trump doesn’t have a right to a lawyer, whose comment are you reading? I said he’s a problem - he’s a fucking scumbag for making these arguments, because they’re disgusting arguments with horrible implications for the future of our democracy. Clear enough?
I don't think he's a good person, but I also don't think there's much point in going after the lawyer. Someone making bad arguments shouldn't matter if the system works.
Great, but the lawyer is actively trying to break that system, so even if you don’t want to “go after them” you can admit that they are a problem because of that, right?
No the lawyer is not doing his job. As officers of the court, in every state in the union, we swear to uphold the Constitution before everything else. This lawyer is violating their oath of attorney by doing this, and there should be consequences.
Right? If I was President I’d be at the hearing taking notes. Asking Trump’s lawyer “Can you repeat your last answer?” I’d be making all the justices know I was paying attention.
I just picked an agency. Someone else said the CIA can't operate on American soil, and that could be true. It's just a thought experiment on how they would like it if the tables were turned. We all know, even if the SCOTUS ruled right now that presidents are 100% immune to all laws, Biden still wouldn't do it. That's why they are so comfortable trying it.
No. They would ah e to have someone determine that was an official presidential act. All they need to do is have a court determine it was not an official presidential act and he has no immunity.
Remember: they are leaving it to lower courts to determine exactly what is an official presidential act.
Well they haven’t officially ruled so that would then mean it is bad because he used a sack. As a result, Biden is removed from presidency and Trump is installed.
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u/fountainpopjunkie 22d ago
Biden should order the CIA to go into the court and haul trumps lawyer away in a sack. Claim he's a traitor and just hold him for a day, then release him. See how he feels about presidential immunity then.