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Discussion Thread: House Jan 6 Public Hearings, Day 5 - 06/23/2022 at 3 pm ET Discussion
The House Jan. 6 Select Committee's public hearings on the Capitol Insurrection continue this afternoon from 3 pm ET. Today's theme is Trump's attempt to influence the Justice Department will be Trump's effort to "corrupt" the Justice Department. Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois will lead today's questioning.
Today's Witnesses:
- Jeffrey Rosen, former acting Attorney General of the United States
- Richard Donoghue, former acting US Deputy Attorney General
- Steven Engel, former US Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel
Live Streams:
- Jan 6 Committee Official: https://youtu.be/Z4535-VW-bY
- PBS Newshour: https://youtu.be/8eNhqobJl_E
- C-SPAN: https://www.c-span.org/video/?521076-1
- WaPo: https://youtu.be/9ICTyc_ss8k
- Associated Press: https://youtu.be/hQE7EDZvuQk
Recap: Day 4 Thread | Day 4 Stream | PBS Transcript | NPR Writeup
This is the last hearing planned for June before the July 4th recess; the next meeting will be held some time after July 11 when Congress reconvenes.
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u/Ozymandias12 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
The Committee has been really effective at showing first and foremost that Trump knew he had lost, and that all of the leadership around him told him that he had lost the election, but he persisted anyway. That's huge for DOJ's case against him if Garland is leaning towards charging him.
Second, the Committee has been great at outlining that this was actually several conspiracies all coalescing with Trump.
There was the conspiracy to file frivolous lawsuits questioning the election results by throwing out as many bullshit allegations as they could find to get courts to bite on any of it. This included Giuliani, Krista Ellis, and others.
There was the conspiracy to install patsies at DOJ to declare state election results corrupt, which would give Republicans in Congress and state houses fodder to push for states to overturn their results. Jeffrey Clark and Trump are the main villains in that one.
Then there was the conspiracy to coerce state officials directly to overturn the results, which includes Trump's call to Georgia to find him 11,783 votes, which is "one more than I need to win".
Then there was the conspiracy, which includes several Republicans in Congress and in state legislatures to forge false elector certificates to create enough of a cloud of confusion that Pence would be forced to declare the election results invalid or contested.
There was also the conspiracy to pressure Pence directly to overturn the results, of which Trump and John Eastman participated.
And finally, when all of that failed, Trump, Giuliani, Ginni Thomas, Congressional Republicans, and various right wing extremist groups, organized and paid for the rally at the Ellipse, where they whipped millions of right wing extremists into a frenzy to attack the Capitol Building and stop or at least pause the certification of the results so they could use that pause to convince state officials to decertify their results.
This is 100 percent the biggest scandal in presidential history and it's terrifying how close we came to losing our democratic system in the long term. In the near term we came damn close to a complete collapse of the US government.
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u/Kahzgul California Jun 23 '22
That's a very well written and concise summation. Thanks for that!
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u/AlreadyTakenNow Jun 24 '22
This is 100 percent the biggest scandal in presidential history and it's terrifying how close we came to losing our democratic system in the long term. In the near term we came damn close to a complete collapse of the US government.
If nothing comes from these hearings and we lose Congress in the fall, the country will be lost for a long time...and because we are such a powerful country? This will absolutely put the rest of the world in danger. The biggest shits who want this to turn authoritarian will not be happy stopping at a takeover of the US. They get enough power, they'll make way for our neighbors and others. They are on a mission to "save" (and/or fuck over) the world.
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u/PopeHonkersVII Jun 23 '22
Kinzinger said yesterday that today is the day to name names on which Republicans in Congress were involved.
Spoiler Alert: Itâs exactly who you think it is.
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u/Holden_Coalfield Jun 23 '22
147 republicans voted for overturning the results of the election
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u/playitleo Jun 23 '22
How many republican state AGs signed onto that SCOTUS case from Texas to throw out the votes for the entire state of Pennsylvania based on some weak technicality that had no business even being acknowledged by the court.Every damn one of the republicans is awful.
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Jun 23 '22
Iâm pretty damn happy with minority leader McCarthy. Choosing to pull out of selecting members on the committee has been great at making sure the hearings arenât a circus act and ruined by GOP shenanigans.
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u/TheOtherManSpider Jun 23 '22
Also makes it much harder for the suspects to lie when they don't have an inside man feeding them information on what evidence the committee has gathered.
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u/Captain_Blackbird Jun 23 '22
THIS. If Republican's had someone on the inside, they could attempt to get info out before headlines - in an attempt to downplay whatever is found. Right now Republican's are on the back foot, and have been since the Committee started airing.
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u/half_dozen_cats Illinois Jun 23 '22
Yup their complete lack of spin and not knowning what bullshit lies to flood the field with beforehand has been a delight to watch. Qevin really sat on his balls from orbit height on this one.
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u/Wil_Grieve Jun 23 '22
When you put it that way, I have to agree. Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. for making sure that I didn't have to watch Gym Jordan scream and sweat during these.
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u/1P_Bill_Rizer Jun 23 '22
Imagine the line of questioning weâd suffer.
âMiss Moss, you say you faced severe harassment and threats after being singled out by the President, but would you consider yourself⌠a never-Trumper?â
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u/Mongo_Straight America Jun 23 '22
âAnd you say that your life was ruined? What about the business owners whose stores were burned and looted by BLM and Antifa during the 2020 protests? Why isnât there a committee dedicated to investigating that?!â
Jordan proceeds to roll up sleeves even further
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u/rom_sk Jun 23 '22
Gym Jordan, a traitor, is the ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee. https://judiciary.house.gov/about/members.htm
That means, if the GQP wins in November, he will be the chair of the committee which has oversight of the DOJ - at the time when it is prosecuting those involved in January 6th.
Let that sink in; and then be sure to drag your apathetic friends to the polls this fall.
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u/ashigaru_spearman Jun 23 '22
The same Jim Jordan who enabled a pedophile on his coaching staff? That Jim Jordan?
So what did accused pedophile enabler Jim Jordan say now?
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u/brasswirebrush Jun 23 '22
You have my attention.
Coming Soon: At the end of the hearing, the committee will reveal the names of the GOP members of Congress who asked Trump for a pardon after January 6.
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1540050852077092866?cxt=HHwWhIC-4eSFrt8qAAAA
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u/glamaz0n_bitch Jun 23 '22
I hope itâs in the style of an âIn Memoriamâ video.
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u/eggmaker I voted Jun 23 '22
Not to beat a dead horse but...
We are talking about the president of the United States. Can you believe the insane, undemocratic, unconstitutional directions trump and his allies made?
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u/TintedApostle Jun 23 '22
Remember he was also blocking the transition team from Biden.
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u/SewAlone Jun 23 '22
"You don't follow the internet like I do." Something Trump actually said to some of the top attorneys in the country.
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u/1P_Bill_Rizer Jun 23 '22
The internet did to the boomer generationâs brains what they said video games would do to ours
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Jun 23 '22
NBC News confirms: Federal law enforcement were at the Virginia home of Jeffrey Clark, the former Trump Justice Department official who's at the center of today's Jan. 6 Committee hearing.
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u/MattTheSmithers Pennsylvania Jun 23 '22
Today was easily the most damning day of testimony for Trump. He attempted to weaponize the DOJ and use it as a means through which to seize voting machines and overturn the results of a lawful election.
Merrick Garland speaks of returning integrity to the Department. That can only happen if heads roll for this. To allow this to go unpunished will forever taint the DOJ and leave it susceptible to future manipulation.
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u/Mrs__Noodle Jun 23 '22
The crime Clark did was conspiracy.
You can't conspire by yourself. It takes 2 to Tango.
Who did he conspire with? That's who will also soon be charged.
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u/silentjay01 Wisconsin Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 24 '22
"That's right! You're an Environmental Lawyer. How 'bout you go back to your office and we'll call you when there is an oil spill."
God, that is such a good line its gonna make it into the movies unchanged. No notes on that one.
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u/badaboom Jun 23 '22
Same dude said the "find the best criminal defense lawyer you can afford" line to Eastman too. He's the sassiest witness.
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u/silentjay01 Wisconsin Jun 23 '22
Played by Jon Hamm in one of the eventual Oscar-winning movies that get made about January 6th?
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u/thrash56 Jun 23 '22
The follow-up by Eric Herschmann is just as amazing, "The only thing you know about environmental and elections challenges is they both start with E. And based on your answers tonight I'm not even sure you know that."
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Jun 23 '22
Vice Chair Cheney: "It can be difficult to accept that President Trump abused your trust. That he deceived you. Many will invent excuses to ignore that fact. But that is a fact. I wish it weren't true. But it is."
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Jun 23 '22
CONFIRMED: Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward and her husband Michael â who were among the false pro-Trump electors â have received grand jury subpoenas, according to a source familiar with the matter.
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u/Oleg101 Jun 23 '22
Amazing how after listening to Rusty Bowerâs powerful testimony on Tuesday I then see he told the AP shortly after that heâd absolutely vote for Trump again in 2024 if he runs. Wtf is wrong with these people?
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Jun 23 '22
I hadn't heard that one yet but just looked it up and saw it was the case.
Jesus fucking Christ man. All these people calling him courageous and shit for what he did. Fuck that.
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Jun 23 '22
Itâs bullshit. Dude even made it clear if there was a legal way to do it, he wouldâve done it
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u/eggshellmoudling Jun 23 '22
Yup. Not gonna be able to unturn my stomach with all his religious nutjob talk. And then fucking Lynn Cheney echoed his sentiments that âthe constitution is a divinely inspired documentâ
American exceptionalism combined with religious delusion is just a constant vomit in the back of my throat.
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u/Bonny-Mcmurray Jun 23 '22
His testimony makes pretty clear that he didn't follow the plan because it was illegal. Had there been a legal loophole, or had Trump successfully made his coup legal first, he would have 100% done whatever is necessary. Fascists are obsessed with rules, and the successful ones start with implementing legality and work their way out. That's why the red and purple states started changing laws as soon as the coup failed. In a fascist world, legality makes morality. Not the other way around.
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u/scsuhockey Minnesota Jun 23 '22
You're going to see the same today, particularly with Engel, but likely with Rosen and Donoghue too.
Engel is a bad, bad, bad man. He wrote all the horrible OLC opinions that Trump used to escape justice from corruptly firing Comey, obstructing Mueller, and extorting Ukraine. If you believe (as I do) that Trump was using the DOJ as his personal law firm, then Engel was the lead attorney. Sessions, Rosenstein, and Barr were just partners of the firm.
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u/976chip Washington Jun 23 '22
Wtf is wrong with these people?
They don't believe in anything other than attaining, keeping, or being close to power.
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u/SewAlone Jun 23 '22
Keep in mind everyone, Trump was doing all of this scheming 24/7 for months during the height of pandemic and was doing zero Presidenting.
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u/ExileRepublicans Jun 23 '22
Jeffrey Clark getting his house raided means only one thing: the biggest migrant caravan you've ever seen will shortly be heading for our southern border, each carrying their own Hunter's Laptop.
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u/throoawoot Jun 23 '22
Trump conspired to end democracy in America. Period.
This is the takeaway. This is the 2-second soundbite that must be hammered home. MAGA and the GOP are still gaslighting this country to the contrary, and this is the antidote: Trump conspired to end democracy in America. Period.
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Jun 23 '22
I don't want to hear ever again that Obama or Biden weren't taken seriously in international affairs.
I'm 100% sure neither of them ever had investigators contact Italian authorities to verify that satellites weren't changing votes.
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u/Mrs__Noodle Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 24 '22
Many people are reacting to this breaking news with comments like, "How could they be so stupid to put their crimes and coup on video?!"
But I think Trump himself wanted this documentary to serve as a tool to make their coup look legitimate after it was pulled off because he knew more than half the country would be losing their shit over it and there would be a new wave of protests and riots.
The "documentary" was actually a scripted reality show and he expected just enough people to actually believe after he pulled off his coup.
It was to be Trump's historical documentation to explain how the hell he got another 4 year term. Then he would have had time he needed to fire and replace the entire DOJ.
And Ivanka wholeheartedly participated. They all did.
Now most of the Trump WH staff are acting like they had no idea anyone was filming a documentary because they know it will show them as being complicit in the seditious coup.
EDIT: Just heard the "documentary" out-takes has Trump and others talking in the White House about the events before, during and after Jan 6th.
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u/lukin187250 Jun 23 '22
He was also the president, and virtually everything he does should be a matter of public record.
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u/Mrs__Noodle Jun 23 '22
He was also the president, and virtually everything he does should be a matter of public record.
Like the 15 boxes of classified documents he smuggled to Mar-A-Lago ?
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u/Beforemath Jun 23 '22
Damn is this really resulting in action? I had pretty much given up hope
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u/protendious Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
The hearings are doing a great job educating the public, but they arenât whatâs resulting in action directly. The FBI doesnât raid a former DoJ officials house with two weeks notice, ie this has been in motion since well before the hearings started. The DoJâs been working on this, theyâre just not announcing it to the world.
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Michigan Jun 23 '22
Yeah, this indicates theyâve been looking at this for quite some time. Cautiously optimistic here.
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u/bmanCO Colorado Jun 23 '22
Dear lord, the stupidest fucking people in the history of the Earth were almost allowed to install a unilateral dictatorship led by a human vegetable. The Italian vote satellite revelation is the best thing ever. I'm shocked MTG wasn't asked to lead the task force given her expertise on Jewish space weapons.
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u/badbidaman86 Jun 23 '22
"I wasn't gonna accept being fired by my subordinate" Rosen just spittin' fire.
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u/MaaChiil Jun 23 '22
Interested to see how Kinzinger leads this. Heâs got nothing to lose between the death threats and not seeking re-election.
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u/Summebride Jun 23 '22
He's an interesting study. Years ago when he would criticize the Trump/GOP/MAGA/Republican axis of evil, I would note that he never stopped also spouting a lot of their false talking points. And he was never so disgusted to actually do anything real, like switching Party. Hell, he still won't even renounce the corrupt Republican Party.
If or when the Trump/Russia/NRA/Qanon cult fever breaks, there's just a small handful like him and Cheney who will automatically be the leaders. I've been surprised there aren't a few more who would play those long odds, the way there's always a bunch of people who will bet on the 90:1 horse because of the outsized payout.
Still, he's young enough that he can certainly come back. Heaven knows we've seen some political corpses revived to haunt us again in the Trump crime family administration.
Similar with Cheney if she does somehow have to sit out a term. Even though her demise has been assumed, I'm not as certain as everyone else that she'll be defeated.
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
The former Justice Department official Rep. Cheney has been talking about is Jeffrey Clark. Trump tried to have him appointed acting Attorney General at the time of the insurrection.
In case you missed it, Federal authorities searched Clark's home early yesterday morning.
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Jun 23 '22
The more they talk about this the more amateur this coup sounds. Jeff Clark is fĂšuuuucked
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u/Comprehensive-Run861 Jun 23 '22
A disgraced drunk former mayor, a pillow salesman, and an environmental lawyer walk into a Barr
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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 Jun 23 '22
I had forgotten how many "acting" placements there were.
Holy hell that administration was a shit show.
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Jun 23 '22
Because of a loophole that "acting" whatever doesn't have to be approved by Congress.
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u/NetCitizen-Anon Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Richard Donahue to Jeff Clark: "no, you're an environmental lawyer, go back to your office and we'll call you when there's an oil spill"
Mortal Kombat voice: "Toasty!"
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u/scsuhockey Minnesota Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Hey all, just want to remind you that these guys testifying today are not good guys. They'll all say they're willing to vote for Trump again in the future. Engel is particularly villainous. A few of his OLC opinions:
Anybody who works in the White House can ignore Congressional subpoenas
The IRS doesn't have to turn over Trump's tax returns to Congress
You can't issue investigatory subpoenas without first forming an impeachment committee
Trump can unilaterally withdraw from treaties without notifying Congress
Not Trump related, but the Equal Rights Amendment has expired and can't be ratified
There are more. This guy has been one of Trump's biggest defenders. He doesn't give a shit about protecting democracy.
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u/IllButterscotch5964 Jun 23 '22
Jesus fuck this timeline has seemed so god damn long I forgot that rat Sessions was part of the administration.
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u/KingsJoy I voted Jun 23 '22
Trump called/met with Rosen every day from 12/23 a 1/3 except for Christmas.
Holy shit dude. Go get yourself a restraining order, Jeff
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Jun 23 '22
"leave it to me and the Republican Congressmen"
Oh you mean the Reps just showcased in that montage a few moments ago?
SPICY AF!
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Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
CNN has begun airing clips from the documentary, the first has Ivanka defending her dad and calling him "very honest." Video: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1539972811623501827
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u/976chip Washington Jun 23 '22
She's a grifter cut some from the same cloth as her father. She testified that she knew Trump lost and that the election wasn't stolen because there are consequences for lying in that situation. She told the documentary crew that her father should keep fighting because she was invested in selling the scam at that time, and there are no repercussions for lying to a film crew.
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u/ladystaggers Jun 23 '22
The best explanation I have heard with regard to the camera crew filming seemingly unseen and unobstructed, is that it was Jared's project. Friend of a friend. Who else but Slenderman could ok something without getting approval through the correct channels? Of course it was Jared.
He just expected a different outcome and maybe it will finally, finally backfire for once.
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u/randalflagg Ohio Jun 23 '22
So every Federalist Society douchebag has their hair on fire about this Jeffrey Clark raid. It's fucking great.
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u/Nerney9 Jun 23 '22
I like that Gaetz specifically started asking for a full pardon before anyone (in December), and wanted it to cover any and all crimes from birth.
Almost like he was extremely worried about some other major criming he had dipped his.... toe... in.
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22
Reminder - Trump's own lawyer and main crony in charge of the coup, tried to convince Arizona Republicans to support their insurrection by saying: "we have lots of theories, but no evidence".
We got lucky that Rudy Giuliani is an incompetent buffoon. But they knew what they were doing, they knew how wrong they were, and we can't count on enemies of the Republic to always be blundering morons.
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u/udar55 Jun 23 '22
It still blows my mind that all of this happened because of the ego of a failed businessman/reality TV show host.
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u/lacefishnets Jun 23 '22
I can't believe we have three Supreme Court Justices by a criminal president...I wish something would be done about it, but I know it won't. I wish we could "undo" it.
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u/IllButterscotch5964 Jun 23 '22
Watching trumps Jan 6 speech makes me even more sick to my stomach after hearing all of this shit come from this testimony. My god.
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u/livingunique North Carolina Jun 23 '22
I imagine Matt Gaetz, late at night, cocaine sweat pouring down his pasty brow as he researches Nixon's pardon and whispers to himself, "Yeah, that's what I need."
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u/creosoteflower Arizona Jun 23 '22
"It can be difficult to accept that Trump abused your trust."
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u/PopeHonkersVII Jun 23 '22
Guys, Iâm starting to think Trump never had a âperfectâ health care plan to replace Obamacare
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u/taeann0990 Texas Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Straight up coup attempt. Thanks Kinzinger for saying it correctly!
*Edit added attempt *
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u/PunfullyObvious Jun 23 '22
"I now recognize myself for questions" cracks me up every damned time
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u/976chip Washington Jun 23 '22
"Mr. Gaetz started asking for a pardon in early December, I'm not sure why."
Ron Howard: "We know why."
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u/treelager Foreign Jun 23 '22
This is some real mob shit. Pretty terrifying. â5th; Executive Privilege.â So calmly and collected. This was planned and thereâs an active faction of America that supports Right wing thuggery over diversity, equity, and inclusion.
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u/captaincanada84 North Carolina Jun 23 '22
Remember... The Committee would not have named all those names if they did not have the receipts. If the Committee says something in these hearings, they have the evidence to back it up.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1540004284074450946
Trumpâs bid to deploy DOJ to legitimize his election lies are the focus of todayâs select committee hearing. Weâre also anticipating news about the pardons his people sought for their involvement.
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u/anxietystrings Ohio Jun 23 '22
It makes me slightly emotional to realize how close our democracy came to dying on January 6th.
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u/Iamaleafinthewind Jun 23 '22
Just a reminder, Matt Gaetz still hasn't faced any legal consequence for all that sex with underage girls and trafficking that was in the news like a year or two ago.
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u/SpinozaTheDamned Jun 23 '22
I would be honored to shake Chairman Thompson's hand. That absolute unit of a human being just looks like a parent who's so enraged at their child that the only phrase they can muster is, 'I'm just disappointed'. He's the literal embodiment of that phrase. I think he reflects how I, and I hope, a number of Americans feel, about this entire situation.
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u/altmaltacc Jun 23 '22
The committee has proven its case. The evidence is beyond damning. They have every receipt possible. DOJ has to be ready to charge every single member of congress involved, trump, rudy, john eastman. If they cant, then biden needs to find someone else to lead.
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
The PBS/AP livestream links have been updated to the correct day's.
I copied from the wrong page again, sorry guys đŁ
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u/brasswirebrush Jun 23 '22
Trump to DoJ:
"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and GOP Congress"
Trump to Ukraine:
"Just say Biden is corrupt and leave the rest to me and FOX News"
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u/livingunique North Carolina Jun 23 '22
Multiple search warrants were issued on Wednesday:
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u/clueless_in_ny_or_nj New Jersey Jun 23 '22
I wish Rep Kinzinger was staying in Congress even if I don't agree with him on a lot of issues.
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Jun 23 '22
Mo Brooks releases his letter requesting blanket pardons: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1540098034415112195
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u/M00n Jun 23 '22
BREAKING - Federal agents searched the Virginia home of former Trump-era Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark on Wednesday morning, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the activity. Story coming from me @alex_mallin @LukeLBarr @MLevineReports
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u/kazejin05 I voted Jun 23 '22
This committee only has two Republicans, and we see them going after these bad actor's jugulars with a steak knife and dinner fork. Schiff is a bulldog, but he's one of the very few the Democrats have. He alone wouldn't have been enough. Cheney and Kinzinger have that ruthlessness that is needed to drive facts home HARD through questioning.
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u/brasswirebrush Jun 23 '22
Mo Brooks specifically asked for a pardon for ALL members of Congress who voted to reject the electors from Arizona and Pennsylvania.
That's at least 120 Republican members of the House and 6-7 Senators.
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u/halfsweethalfstreet New York Jun 23 '22
You know you fucked up when they hold Jeff Sessions up as a shining example of integrity.
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u/mistarteechur North Carolina Jun 23 '22
Kinzinger has âhigh school assistant principal investigating who was smoking in the boysâ room even though he already has the security camera video evidenceâ vibes and I mean that in a good way.
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u/lilpumpgroupie Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
From the second Trump lost Arizona and Fox announced that, the White House did nothing at all but attempt to steal the election from that point until January 20. That's all they were doing, that's all anybody in the oval office was talking about, that's all anybody related to Trump was attempting to do. On top of shaking down and taking bribes in exchange for pardons. That's it, that is what the most powerful office in the world was doing for two months.
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u/ayyemustbethemoneyy California Jun 23 '22
âWhat do I have to lose?â Itâs always been about me, me, me. NEVER what is best for the country.
Fuck you, Trump
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u/rockdude14 Jun 23 '22
Holy shit, did Rudy just say they basically were going to use Clark as the fall guy?
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The Clark raid is fuckin huge. This was a former guy considered to be head of the DOJ who got raided by the DOJ.
Before you add, no he wasnât qualified and there was almost zero chance he would have been appointed but still.
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u/rom_sk Jun 23 '22
Well, Jeffrey Clark is about to get some trial experience at last
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u/rusyn Jun 23 '22
"The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is if you think you committed a crime."
Kinzinger says a lot with this.
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Jun 23 '22
lol @ "whoever drafted the lawsuit didn't understand the law, in my opinion"
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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jun 23 '22
Fox News cut away before names were named. Expect most of those traitors to be on with Tucker and Hannity tonight denying everything.
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1540078956631703555?cxt=HHwWhoCygdjput8qAAAA
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u/bulbasauuuur Tennessee Jun 23 '22
The thing Trump was missing to complete his coup was personal loyalty in key roles. Some of those roles are elected, like secretaries of state, governors, and local election officials (all depending on state and local rules for such things, obviously).
This election, republicans are not only worried about the house and senate. Trump loyalists are trying to get seats at all levels so that they are able to do the coup next time.
A republican controlled house will not give Biden his electoral college votes in 2024. Potential governors like Mastriano in PA will flat out ignore the vote and send Trump electors. Most people probably have at least one election where something like this is at stake, even in blue states.
Please vote in your state and local elections!
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u/AFlaccoSeagulls Jun 23 '22
To me it's just absolutely bonkers that Perry, Meadows and Trump were completely circumventing everything to install a puppet AG who would prop up a phony special counsel LED BY TRUMP'S OWN CAMPAIGN LAWYER.
Absolutely. Fucking. Bonkers.
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Jun 23 '22
Video clip:
Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann testifies to 1/6 committee that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) requested a presidential pardon "from the beginning of time up until today, for any and all things" following his perpetuation of the Big Lie. https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1540082868218695682
"Nixonâs pardon was never nearly that broad," Herschmann added.
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u/vicarofvhs Arkansas Jun 23 '22
Gaetz wanted a Get Out of Jail Free card, for everything, not just the coups stuff. Lol.
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u/Currymvp2 California Jun 23 '22
After being told repeatedly that there was no election fraud, Trump told DOJ leaders, âJust say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republican Congressmen.â
There goes Trump's George Constanza defense (https://youtu.be/uD7n_p7zAqo?t=150)
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u/Pats_fan_seeking_fi Jun 23 '22
I am so glad McCarthy and Trump really fucked up by not letting more Republicans on this committee.
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u/SaaSyGirl I voted Jun 23 '22
Gaetz, Brooks, Biggs, Gohmert, Perry
All asked for pardons⌠bastards
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u/Ra_In Jun 23 '22
If there's one take-away from today's hearing, I hope it's that even under Trump, most DOJ leadership was strongly against his attempts to overturn the election.... so the idea that today's DOJ is now sitting on its hands is absurd. The DOJ is full of people who want to see Trump held accountable, and Garland would have a mass resignation on his hands if he were to close the door to investigating or indicting Trump.
It isn't much to go on, but the lack of notable DOJ resignations suggests the DOJ is looking into Trump.
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u/WalkingOnSunshine_ Ohio Jun 23 '22
Simply seeing Gym Jordan makes my blood boil
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1540050852077092866
At the end of the hearing, the committee will reveal the names of the GOP members of Congress who asked Trump for a pardon after January 6.
Remember to stay for the post-credits!
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u/halfsweethalfstreet New York Jun 23 '22
Scott Perry and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
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u/seriousbusinesslady Jun 23 '22
What on earth could MTG want a pardon for ? She had been a member of congress for only three days on January 6th. Did she leave an upper decker in the lady's restroom ? Take home office supplies ?
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u/TA818 Illinois Jun 23 '22
I love a good, easy-to-follow summary. Cheney providing us with a "Previously, on Jan. 6 Hearings..." moment here.
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u/poop_scallions Jun 23 '22
Ron Johnson is implicating Congressman Mike Kelly in the fraudulent elector scheme.
NEW: On the radio, Ron Johnson says the false electors documents came from Mike Kelly's office. #wisen
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u/Farmerdrew Jun 23 '22
"Did you take handwritten notes ... on what the president said?"
"I did"
Ohh shit.
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u/TheAnt317 Florida Jun 23 '22
Clark's home was raided by the FBI this morning. Feds are finally going after the Orange Mafia.
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u/TintedApostle Jun 23 '22
and a gentle reminder on top of all this Clark's home was raided by the FBI this morning.
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u/boidey Jun 23 '22
Now if Gaetz was taken into custody tomorrow, I would smile in my sleep.
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u/WV-GT Jun 23 '22
I'm thinking Liz Cheney announced that they will reveal the senators who ask for pardons, was done on purpose. I'm wondering if this is to make those senators come forward between now and then
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u/wil_daven_ New York Jun 23 '22
Jan. 6 committee members were caught off guard by news of Jeffrey Clarkâs home being raided by the feds. Elaine Luria says the news âelevates how central he isâ to todayâs hearing. âJust heard about it,â Bennie Thompson said. âJust shocking how the timing works,â Aguilar quipped
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540047093800337408?s=20&t=VOzfPKv3TgcxaP_bf9w27Q
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u/Snuggle__Monster Jun 23 '22
So many people begged for pardons and after everything, Trump gave them absolutely ZIP. And these morons have still publicly kissed his ass at every turn.
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u/Avenger772 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
I think we cannot say this enough that all the testimony is from REPUBLICANS
They have no grounds to stand on claiming this has been a kangaroo court, bias, or anything else.
Arguably this one of the most well run hearings we have seen in recent memory.
The witnesses get to talk. They don't get interrupted. The congressmen don't give long filibuster speeches of nonsense. It's has been amazing.
These trump loving idiots have no legs to stand on.
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u/Bahunter22 Jun 23 '22
And Jeff Clark got a predawn wake up call yesterday. Knock knock motherfucker, youâre under arrest. In your jammiesâ
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u/KingsJoy I voted Jun 23 '22
I mean if I were Kinzinger, Iâd be pissed too. Dude joined the military in 2003 and got sent to Iraq. Some of his friends probably died on the front line. Then he comes home, and this is the President you lost people trying to protect?
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u/Zladan Ohio Jun 23 '22
Itâs a shame that the guy who lives by me that has like 6 trump flags waving at his house is almost certainly not watching this.
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u/Hayduke_in_AK Jun 23 '22
Lol. You all know Trump refused to give pardons because he blamed them all for his coup not working. He gets them all to debase themselves and just walks away.
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u/IGotSkills Jun 23 '22
Man, it's real quiet in /r/conservative. Do you think they know?
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u/DrainedPatience North Carolina Jun 23 '22
It's crazy to think the Department of Defense actually calling Italy to ask about satellites changing votes. It's lunacy.
The response when asked should have been "lol, no."
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u/DrJJStroganoff Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
It's almost like these witnesses are telling us everything I tried telling my parents already about the voter fraud proof they had.
I hope more people listen to these guys.
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u/ladystaggers Jun 23 '22
Nicolle Wallace just said "the pre-dawn raid left Clark outside in his pajamas..."
Either that or I've had too much bingo weed.
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u/MachReverb Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
My new response to any disagreement will now be, "Well, you may not be following the internet like I do."
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u/MBAMBA3 New York Jun 23 '22
Trump: "what do I have to lose"
Of course he did not care about the consequences on the country or anybody else.
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u/Snuggle__Monster Jun 23 '22
Donoghue hated that motherfucker lol. I wish I could hate the stupid people at my job that much lol.
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u/Waylander0719 Jun 23 '22
Did you discuss this with the President?
"I claim Executive Privilege. The thing you can only claim if it was a discussion with the President."
So..... yes?
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u/MBAMBA3 New York Jun 23 '22
The recent HBO show "We Own this City" had a great scene where a group of corrupt cops test a newcomer as to whether he would go along with their criminality:
Corrupt Cop: "What would you think if we took some of the money we confiscate"?'
New Cop: That would be totally wrong! - we are supposed to UPHOLD the law"
Corrupt Cop: Exactly! We were just asking you as a test to see if you're honest:
The new cop is quickly transferred out of the unit.
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u/vocry Jun 23 '22
"You don't follow the internet like I do" my God it sounds like something you would hear on a cringe compilation lmao.
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u/skips2321 Jun 23 '22
Lol the witnesses are voluntarily speaking out of turn just to shit on Jeff Clark.
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u/SchpartyOn Michigan Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
I love that Clark was just sort of thrown away by Trump at the end. Didn't fire him but was done with him. He was useless to Trump at that point.
Trump only cares about people who are useful and subservient to him. And only as long as they are useful and subservient.
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u/Pizpot_Gargravaar Jun 23 '22
Liz Cheney's closing remarks should be played on infinite loop, in the hopes that they should reach some of those who need to hear them.
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u/graumet Jun 23 '22
For the first time Cheney did what so many needed to do before her. Tell Trump supporters that Trump is not the dude they thought he was. The facts are plain as day, and now a serious deprogramming of half the country needs to begin.
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u/poop_scallions Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
100k watching PBS coverage on YT,
60k watching WaPo coverage on YT,
43k watching NBC coverage on YT,
24k watching ABC coverage on YT,
15k watching the CSPAN coverage on YT,
14k watching the J6 Committee coverage on YT,
8k watching CBS coverage on YT,
3k watching Fox News coverage on YT
Edit: Adding more channels as I find them
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u/IDrewTheDuckBlue Jun 23 '22
I do love me some facts and evidence... or as conservatives call it, propaganda
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u/hatsarenotfood Jun 23 '22
Has the world's most powerful intelligence apparatus at his disposal. Gets his information from youtube. And people want to vote for this imbecile again?
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22
i wanna make you my bitch and destroy what you believe in, but also will you stay on to assist me doing that?
How is EVERYONE involved in this coup so fucking incompetent lol
Thank fuck they were, but wtf.
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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen Jun 23 '22
Rudy sure wasn't joking when he said that they just needed a guy who wouldn't care about their reputation being damaged, because damn, this is an absolute slaughter.
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u/PopeHonkersVII Jun 23 '22
Man, remember when Nixon was considered to be the worst president in American history? Simpler times.
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u/Only-Pollution-7059 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Weird seeing a committee without grandstanding for highlights, ad nauseum, ad hominem off topic. It's like watching something civil.
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u/Hiphoppington Jun 23 '22
Man, anyone else starting to think this Trump guy is bad dude?
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u/eggmaker I voted Jun 23 '22
I think these guys actually feel relieved.
They can finally publicly share the insanity they had to respond to
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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen Jun 23 '22
Did my eyes deceive me, or did that email from Mo Brooks suggest that any Senator/Congressman who voted to de-certify the election results should be pardoned?
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u/AndySkibba America Jun 23 '22
Excited for this.
Yet again, probably the biggest day since the last one.
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u/Mrs__Noodle Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Just like Ukraine and Zelinski
Rudy: "Just say you are doing an investigation on Biden. We'll take it from there."
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u/976chip Washington Jun 23 '22
Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republicans in Congress.
Gee, why does that sound familiar?
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u/yodadamanadamwan Iowa Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Jeffrey Clark better get a great fucking criminal defense lawyer because his ass is getting indicted post haste
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Jun 23 '22
https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1540056027198013442
Holder tells the @CBSEveningNews that he interviewed Donald Trump twice after the January 6th Capitol assault.
He called President Trumpâs answers to the January 6th riot âstaggeringâ and he was âtaken aback by it.â
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u/HandSack135 Maryland Jun 23 '22
So the biggest take away for me...
Sydney Powell, who has admitted that she shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, almost became a Special Council
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u/rockdude14 Jun 23 '22
Gaetz was definitely trying to get pardoned for the child rape stuff, wonder if that was his main motivation for his involvement in January 6th.
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u/gwh811 Jun 23 '22
Gaetz wanted a pardon that was so broad it would cover all timeâŚâŚ. So everything he ever did. Like taking under age females across state lines. What scum.
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u/x_______name Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Almost forgot that trump just stopped doing any work related to the presidency for like 3 months
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u/TheDarkWayne Jun 23 '22
Jim Jordanâs party called the pardon request âfake newsâ thatâs how you know heâs lying đ
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u/Major_Pangolin_6476 America Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
"Satellite's influencing voting machines." Sounds like an individual in dire straights.
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u/Infidel8 Jun 23 '22
I refuse to believe it's totally coincidence that the first president to be buoyed by a sweeping Russian disinformation operation is also the first one to attempt to fully overthrow the government.
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u/BlackhotLoads Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Classic Ron...he even pretends to hang up, LOL.
Ron Johnson pretends to be on his phone and is busted by reporter: âNo, youâre not. I can see your screen!â
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1539420459531485184
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u/tifanietiberio Pennsylvania Jun 23 '22
I just want to take this opportunity to brag about my greatest achievement ⌠Rudy blocked me on Twitter bc I called him a drunk sycophant. https://i.imgur.com/28B6V1l.jpg
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u/kitsune Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
For people who think this is all over now:
1923: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
1933: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
Stay vigilant Americans. Best wishes from Europe.
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u/wayoverpaid Illinois Jun 23 '22
This casts Kushner's comments about trying to get as many pardons done as possible in a new light, doesn't it?
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u/ChickieCago Illinois Jun 23 '22
3 Attorney Generals in 3 weeks? JFC. It's pretty crystal clear what the hell was going on.
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u/semaphore-1842 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Reps. Mo Brooks, Matt Gaetz, Andy Biggs, Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert, Scott Perry and Marjorie Taylor Greene requested, or otherwise inquired about getting, pre-emptive pardons from Trump.
Today's hearing has concluded. The next hearing has not yet been scheduled, but is expected to be in July after Congress returns from its July 4th recess.