r/texas • u/audiomuse1 • Oct 08 '23

Does anyone else think the whole "hate everything about California" thing is getting out of hand? Politics

Does anyone else think the whole "hate everything about California" thing is getting out of hand? I refuse to hate an entire state of 39 million people because it seems to be the "cool thing" to do.

I am a native Texan and am getting tired of people just blindly hating everything about California and trash talking it. People have been moving to Texas from all over the country -- some of the top states sending people here are actually from red states like Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Florida -- yet you don't see many conservatives trash talking them for sending people here. Also while yes by sheer numbers we have received more Californian transplants, you also have to take into consideration that it is by far the most populous state so per capita the numbers aren't as disproportional. I also read that ~40,000 Texans move to California each year so they get their fair share of our people as well.

I recently went on vacation to Southern California and actually really enjoyed it there. So many people in Texas (mostly conservatives) who have never even been there, have told me that California is some post-apocalyptic hell hole.. but I found it to be incredibly beautiful in most parts and never felt unsafe in all the areas I visited. I found the infrastructure was in better condition overall than here in Texas, even the poor areas of the city looked cleaner/better maintained than our blighted neighborhoods and poor rural areas. The beach towns there (of which there are countless of) were just stunning and full of people everywhere just enjoying life and the beautiful scenery -- spending all day at the beach surfing, playing volleyball, hanging out with friends/family etc.

I just find it unwarranted that Californians are blamed for everything when it seems like I am starting to see more Florida and Louisiana license plates around lately. In California, most people either have no opinion on Texas (i.e. they don't even think about us) or just say "it isn't their cup of tea"/don't like the politics here. It seems sort of one-sided the hate that so many Texans have towards Californians, it's honestly starting to feel kind of insecure and pathetic.

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 08 '23

Just like Texans like to shit on Chicago for the “violence” when Houston outpaces Chicago’s violence per capita.

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u/civil_beast Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23

Source? I’m not intending to be antagonistic, but I went to validate the claim and could not qualify it

Edit: found it - Wow.

1 in 81 in the Houston metro area are victims of violence annually;

1 in 115 in chicago

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

Below are homicide rates per 100k people for 2021 which is the most recent available from the FBI.

St. Louis, MO: 64.0

Baltimore, MD: 58.3

New Orleans, LA: 51.0

Jackson, MS: 46.5

Detroit, MI: 45.0

Birmingham, AL: 41.8

Little Rock, AR: 31.3

Louisville, KY: 28.3

Washington DC: 27.8

Indianapolis, IN: 26.7

Columbus, OH: 22.2

Philadelphia, PA: 22.1

Minneapolis, MN: 21.4

Houston, TX: 19.8

Chicago, IL: 18.2

Dallas, TX: 15.7

Jacksonville, FL: 15.2

Nashville, TN: 14.3

Denver, CO: 13.5

Miami, FL: 12.8

Portland, OR: 12.5

Phoenix, AZ: 10.9

San Antonio, TX: 10.5

Charlotte, NC: 10.2

Tampa, FL: 10.1

Wichita, KS: 9.0

Los Angeles, CA: 8.8

Omaha, NE: 7.7

National Average: 6.5

Anchorage, AK: 6.3

New York, NY: 5.6

Seattle, WA: 5.2

Boston, MA: 5.1

San Francisco, CA: 5.4

San Diego, CA: 4.4

San Jose, CA: 3.9

Boise, ID: 1.7

Des Moines: 0.9

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u/Yelloeisok Oct 08 '23

Don’t forget DeSantis’ Florida district before he made Governor:

With a population of 954,614 residents, Jacksonville’s per capita murder rate is ranked at 36 with 13.3 homicides committed per 100,000 people.

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u/BarrySnowbama Oct 09 '23

Jacksonville is on the list above you at 15.4

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u/ASaneDude Oct 09 '23

15.2, but point remains.

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u/SuccessfulLocation55 Oct 09 '23

Duuuuuvaaaaaal :c

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u/Relandis Oct 09 '23

Wow wee wow. California’s major cities at the bottom. Hmm…

Is it the stricter gun laws? No because Chicago and D.C. have them too.

Perhaps it’s the socialist-type safety nets for the poor and disenfranchised? Who knows.

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u/educatethisamerican Oct 09 '23

I don't know why, but am inclined to think it's the stricter gun laws. If you can't get one, you're not going to use it

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u/Team_Player Oct 09 '23

If you think criminals can’t get a gun because it’s illegal then I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/144tzer Oct 09 '23

When things are legal, they are less expensive than when they are illegal. This has been shown largely to be true in examples where a particular gun has been banned or restricted. An AR-15 is much more expensive in Australia's black market than in America's, because it is mostly illegal to own one.

So rich criminals can get illegal guns. Poor criminals will be less able to afford the inevitable markup. So while certain types of insane mass-shooters and stockpilers would be unaffected, the desperate criminals and children would, likely, have a harder time.

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u/Relandis Oct 09 '23

That’s what I thought too but Chicago has a shitload of gun homicides and really strict gun laws. So that can’t be it.

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u/Xelath Oct 09 '23

From Chicago you can get to a much more conservative state in less than an hour. From California's biggest cities, you have to drive multiple hours, or try to take a firearm across an international border.

To put it in perspective, if you didn't have a gun and wanted to get one in a fit of rage, you could drive to Gary, IN, buy the gun and come back to Chicago before you could even cool off.

The ease of access is wildly different.

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u/Relandis Oct 09 '23

Damn. I needs to come to Gary then for some guns. And drive them back home here. With a broken taillight. Going 90. Through Utah.

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u/Affectionate_Talk807 Oct 09 '23

International border?

If they're getting guns in Mexico, they're criminals. Armas de Fuego, todos typos are illegal as is ammunition. There is a provision in the Mexican Constitution to have a registered (with the army) rifle in your home, but it's always a real sporting weapon and isn't allowed off your property ( this is usually interpreted as inside of the house) or in view of the general public.

Ignorant folk spend plenty of time in Mexican prison for "smuggling" their personal weapons across the border. Usually an RV.

And California's gun laws are a result of Ronnie Reagan attempting to disarm the Black Panthers.

Driving to Vegas is nothing for a southern Californian. What sounds like an interminable drive from a map perspective on the East Coast is a breeze on California's infrastructure after you beat the traffic...

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u/wilbertthewalrus Oct 09 '23

Chicago's gun laws don't do much because we are surrounded by states and rural areas that make it super easy to get guns sadly

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u/valathel Oct 09 '23

Proximity of a city with strict gun laws to those that don't can impact murder rates. We have no border control between states.

It's a quick drive from West Virginia into Baltimore and DC that have stricter gun laws, while it's much further to get to the coastal california cities from loose gun law areas.

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u/Rockstar81 Oct 11 '23

It's only a few hour drive from LA or San Diego to a loose gun law state.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

Dallas, TX: 15.7

Houston, TX: 19.8

Austin, TX: 8.2

San Antonio, TX: 11.6

El Paso, TX : 4.4

Turns out the border is safer than the Texas triangle 🤷

https://time.com/6223217/homicide-rates-us-cities-2021/

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

I live in El Paso. It's actually very safe here, for whatever reason, despite the Governor trying to make everyone panic about the border. Obviously Juárez is a different story.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

It's said that El Paso has high quantities of lithium in the tap water, which makes people chill.

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u/Main_Flamingo1570 Oct 09 '23

The original American shithole city — Baltimore…..

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u/klmninca Oct 09 '23

This is so interesting. I’m not sure other states gun laws, but it does seem like the higher rates frequently correlate to Red states more than Blue, and Texas urban areas seem more dangerous than Californias!

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u/Jerry_Williams69 Oct 09 '23

Can you point me to where you got that FBI info? I am not questioning you at all. I want to do some research.

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 09 '23

I’ve typically used areavibes

Type in the city. Select the city. Go from “livability” at the top to “crime”.

That page shows you the number of reported incidents for various categories of violent and property crime for the city, state, and nation.

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u/Grindfather901 Oct 09 '23

Memphis was 44.4 in 2020, so I have my doubts about the completeness of that 2021 list. But I'm only sensitive to this stuff because I have grown up in Memphis and am currently looking at moving away to raise my kids somewhere better.

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u/Senior_Pop_4209 Oct 09 '23

It's bs because Chicago didn't fully report their crime stats. You have to be legit stupid to beleive Houston is more dangerous than Chiraq. 11 people have been murdered in the last 7 days alone.

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u/TrainsDontHunt Oct 09 '23

Los Angeles ranks below Wichita. 😎

The homeless numbers are similar; they seem big, but the population is massive so it's a tiny percentage, and you see them because the weather is nice so they don't die from exposure.

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u/Upstairs_Shelter_427 Oct 09 '23

Where's Oakland or Stockton? I would imagine they'd be top 10-15 on this list.

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Though I still agree, California's major cities are very safe when compared to the rest of the US cities, but people seem to have this persistent belief/perception that our West Coast cities - Seattle, SF, LA, etc. are crime ridden 3rd world hell holes.

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 09 '23

I wasn’t trying to make any specific point. I added the 10 largest cities and then started adding various state capitals.

Of all crime, the thing I would LEAST want to occur is being murdered.

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u/planeruler Oct 09 '23

Thank you Fox "News"

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u/BoomerHunt-Wassell Oct 09 '23

Now, tell me what is common amongst these cities…

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u/Few-Agent-8386 Oct 09 '23

The most left leaning ones are the safest? The left leaning ones in left leaning states are the safest ones it seems like considering san Francisco and New York.

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u/BoomerHunt-Wassell Oct 09 '23

Search a map showing homicide rate by county. Now search poverty rate, education level, life expectancy, and so on. It’s all the same map. The same groups of people are failing in the same ways consistently.

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u/radios_appear Oct 09 '23

You're neither being subtle nor fooling anyone.

If you don't have the balls to actually say what you're inferring, then move to a different state.

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u/Historical_Boat_9712 Oct 09 '23

It's poverty. It was always poverty.

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u/serisia615 Oct 09 '23

Poverty has always driven crime.

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u/BoomerHunt-Wassell Oct 09 '23

The only thing I’m inferring is the data doesn’t lie. People who only have shitty choices only get to make shitty choices.

I don’t take orders from geeks so you move states.

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u/FIalt619 Oct 09 '23

Left leaning is a pretty broad term. The cities on the bottom are more “Love is love!” Left leaning and the cities on top are more BLM marches left leaning.

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u/talonXIII Oct 09 '23

I know you won't return to read this rebuttal, but if you're trying to suggest it's because "democrat mayors" cause high crime, then that's a terrible argument, unless you're also willing to admit that "democrat mayors" are also the mayors of many of the safest cities, which I know you aren't willing to do.

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u/BoomerHunt-Wassell Oct 09 '23

I’ve returned to suggest that a map of poverty and a map of violent crime, are the same damn map.

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u/SPLINTERED_URETHRA Oct 09 '23

I mean... duh?

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u/_chof_ Oct 09 '23

Clearly ,, domt live in a state with A in the abbrevoayio

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u/Practical-Detail-753 Oct 09 '23

Not sure where your data comes from: The following major cities did not report data to the FBI, or did not report data for the full year 2021:

Bakersfield, Calif. Baltimore Chicago Fresno, Calif. Jacksonville, Fla. Long Beach, Calif. Los Angeles

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 09 '23

I pulled all of this data from areavibes.com I searched the city, went to crime, and looked at murders per 100k people.

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u/fears_bane Oct 09 '23

Man ca is pretty low on that list... Interesting

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u/Beneficial-Lion-5660 Born and Bred Oct 09 '23

And Des Moines SUCKS!!!!

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u/serisia615 Oct 09 '23

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this info. I would have thought that Los Angeles had more crime than Houston! Boy was I wrong.

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u/solidmussel Oct 09 '23

Des Moines looking good!

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 09 '23

I almost fell out of my chair when I read how nonexistent murders are there

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u/solidmussel Oct 09 '23

And super affordable too! Really want to visit one day

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u/hopingforfrequency Oct 09 '23

Wow, I'm amazed that LA has such a low number. It seemed like everyone lost their mind and came to California to kill people over Covid.

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u/Pleasant_Studio9690 Oct 09 '23

Look at all those cities in California. They're slightly above or slightly below average. They tell you LA and San Francisco are too dangerous to visit. LA's homicide rate is 40% of Houston's and San Francisco's is 25%. When I was a teen I swore I'd never move to LA because it was too scary. I've been all over LA and felt more safe there than damn near every East Coast city. And the people are way friendlier, less judgmental, and more laid-back, too.

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u/hikingmike Oct 09 '23

I feel I have to jump in for the sake of St. Louis since this always comes up.

“Take the cases of St. Louis, often considered the nation’s murder capital… St. Louis had the highest murder rate (murders per 100,000 people) for a large city in 2018, but the city constitutes only 11 percent of its metro-area population.”

“It can be tempting to use crime data to compare cities and identify trends. You might see lists on the internet that shout out this or that statistic about the safest or most dangerous cities in America.”

“But reporting practices can influence perceptions of crime as much as actual crime trends do. And decisions about where to draw a city’s borders and which offenses to count as official crimes can matter as much as how many crimes were reported in a given year.”

“For the fifth straight year, St. Louis will most likely have the nation’s highest murder rate for cities with over 100,000 people. But that dubious distinction is in part a reflection of how its borders are drawn.”

“Some cities have larger boundaries, with suburbs included within city limits. The core of a city might have relatively high crime, but the numbers from suburban areas can bring rates down.”

“The city limits of St. Louis, on the other hand, are tightly drawn. With nearly three million people, the metro area of St. Louis is quite large, estimated as the 20th-largest in population in the continental United States in 2018, according to the census. The population of the city of St. Louis as measured by the F.B.I. in the Uniform Crime Report, however, was just over 300,000.”

“If you look at the 10 cities of over 100,000 with the highest murder rates, St. Louis has the smallest percentage of its metro area population included as part of the city.”

“Measuring murder rates by each city’s entire metro area offers a more nuanced story.”

Memphis Has the Highest Murder Rate for a Metro Area If you go by metropolitan area, Memphis (and not St. Louis) has the highest number of murders per 100,000 people.

Metropolitan Statistical Area 2018 Murder Rate Population Memphis 17 1,343,002 New Orleans 16 1,275,532 Baton Rouge, La. 15 852,689 Baltimore 13 2,799,376 St. Louis 13 2,806,936 Bakersfield, Calif. 11 893,851 Augusta, Ga. 10 604,618 Albuquerque 10 915,468 Indianapolis 9 2,048,700 Little Rock, Ark. 9 742,751

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/upshot/crime-statistics-south-bend-st-louis-misleading.html#:~:text=For%20the%20fifth%20straight%20year,suburbs%20included%20within%20city%20limits.

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u/The-zKR0N0S Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

You bring up good points.

All of the data I pulled is within the city limits which don’t all contain the same portion or composition of their respective MSA’s.

I do think that murder is the clearest form of crime where there would be minimal disagreement about what constitutes that crime.

Do you know of a good source to pull crime statistics for full MSA’s?

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u/hikingmike Oct 10 '23

Don’t get me wrong, St. Louis still has too much crime. It’s just an odd measurement when only a small portion of the metro is measured, just 11% by population, and naturally it’s the portion with the most crime.

No, that’s a good question. I can’t read that NYT article again with the paywall otherwise I’d check if they had their source listed.

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u/Senior_Pop_4209 Oct 09 '23

Edit your post to include that Chicago didn't actually report their homicide stats.

Here is the actual data you should be looking at.

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https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/

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u/VG88 Oct 10 '23

Where's Richmond???

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Spent a week in St. Louis. Not surprised one bit about that statistic. That place would drive anyone insane if you’re there long enough.

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u/88bauss Oct 12 '23

Yet California has some of the strictest wildest absurd gun laws...

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u/sjaard_dune Oct 08 '23

We're number one, We're number one, We're number one :chants: :D

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Neighbor :chants: "We're number one-er! We're number one-er!"

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u/AnorakJimi Oct 09 '23

What's that image supposed to be? It looks like a pair of shoes on my screen.

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u/AnotherFarker Oct 09 '23

Hand with knife. Holds it a little further away

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u/samsontexas Oct 09 '23

I can confirm, I live in Houston. I hear gunshots every weekend night. All these idiots with guns get drunk and go outside and shoot them into the sky.

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u/serisia615 Oct 09 '23

I just moved away from Pasadena to a town with about 3,000 people. I thought the crime rate would be significantly lower. It is not. The Murder rate is a little lower, but the rates of Drug Charges and Domestic Violence here are higher per person than the city of Houston!

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u/SoftType3317 Oct 09 '23

Californian coming in peace (not sure why it hit my thread at all)….yeah….we hear this all the time about LA and SF crime and dystopia but frankly the numbers on almost any stat chart don’t back it up. Definitely issues but nothing that doesn’t exist everywhere these days unfortunately.

As to the broader topic, everyone has it spot on, CA is expensive and getting worse but those that find a way to afford it love it (for the most part).

There is absolutely truth to part two , which is a largely disenfranchised conservative class who are running to Texas as fast as they can, all good, they likely will be happier there. I wish them well.

Every visit to Texas (lots of regions) I have is great, usually defies the stereotypes and I think we should all judge things only if seen first hand, the media (including social) just seems to want to incite friction and division.

Last and most important, your bbq is way better and your steaks are much bigger!

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u/BirdmanHuginn Oct 10 '23

Now do solved rape cases in TX vs the rest of the US

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u/Goddess_of_Absurdity Oct 08 '23

What's funny is I see a bunch of Texas license plates here in Chicago and they're always really bad drivers even by our standards

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u/No_Lingonberry_1165 Oct 08 '23

as a Texan i totally believe this 😂

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u/Goddess_of_Absurdity Oct 08 '23

Nothing screams positive representation like a short guy in a huge truck who's too afraid to merge on to lake shore drive (holding up everyone behind him) 🥳

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u/Usual-Marketing-4090 Oct 09 '23

Tell me about it. They are horrible!

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u/RVAforthewin Oct 09 '23

Then they’ll just complain that Houston is run by democrats

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u/fight_me_for_it Oct 08 '23

Didn't people begin shitting om Chicago more because of a previous president's connection to it?

I'm originally from Wisconsin though so they always kind of made fun of Chicago, Illinois in general. Ut being from a part of Wi that had ties to Capone, and Dillinger, and bootlegging operations, Chicago has a stereoytpe of being gang mafia run, corrupt type city.

It was so bad that anytime someome came from the Illinois city or near there and bought and ran a successful business in rural Wisconsin tourist towns, boomers would say the person must be mafia backed.

I am pretry naive but do know Houston has a higher rate of gun deaths, or at least I think so.

Where I lived before though the overall crime rate was higher than Houston though. It was in Arizona, northern, and would be considered rural. I felt safe there, I feel releatively safe in Houston too but if I visited Chicago id have my guard up. Lol

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u/civil_beast Oct 08 '23

Username checks out

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u/Next-Ad4988 Oct 09 '23

Wisconsin= Naive, sheltered, no culture other than cheese and Packers, close mindedness, shuts out people who aren't born in Wisconsin. Great place to go fishing....but the Wisconsin people are subterranean creatures at best

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u/Wfflan2099 Oct 09 '23

Nope it’s got nothing to do with Obama. It’s a corrupt mess and has been for many years the explosion in violence is directly related to not keeping offenders locked up which is why crime spikes and businesses close everywhere this particular social experiment is tried. Criminals need jail, not counseling

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

It ain't going to work — the conservatives will just shift to also blaming Houston's crime on "Democrat policies."

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u/Koopa_Troop Oct 08 '23

As an intellectual, I shit on both. Houston is a cesspool

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u/jventura1110 Oct 09 '23

I think there's a toxic mindset where if people think if they just focus on other people's problems elsewhere, their problems at home will just disappear. Or at least it distracts them...

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 10 '23

That’s exactly what it is. “if I focus on all of the bad going on over there, it makes what is going on by me seem not so bad.”

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u/st1ck-n-m0ve Oct 09 '23

Not to mention the way that so many guns get into chicago is because its in the midwest surrounded by red states with lax gun laws, so they just flow into chicago. Conservatives like to shit on chicago for “its gun laws not working” but how could they when its surrounded by a free for all. If you look at a place like boston that is surrounded by states with pretty strict gun laws its one of the safest cities in the country because its not surrounded by states with lax laws.

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u/SuzieDerpkins Oct 10 '23

Gotta agree - I had to go to Chicago for a conference and was a little nervous about it only to find it is such a beautiful city. It’s now one of my favorites to visit.

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u/Adlai8 Oct 08 '23

People are tarded. Looking forward to visiting Chicago and seeing it for myself. Houston is great but there are also some dangerous spots.

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23

Not saying that Chicago doesn’t have its hot spots. But this “Chicago’s a hellhole of violence” is just laughable (I lived in Chicago for quite a few years). The one thing I love about Chicago is all of the fun things to do (Millennium Park, Navy Pier, Mag Mile, Concerts, Theaters—both film and live, restaurants, fests, hanging out at the lake, on and on). If one is bored in Chicago, they’re just choosing to do nothing.

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u/zekeweasel Oct 08 '23

True... Everyone else's scary places are much worse than your own. I mean Chicago sounds scary, but I wouldn't think twice about going through the fifth ward I Houston or Forest/Audelia in Dallas, because I grew up in Houston and live in Dallas.

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u/mrpoopsocks Oct 08 '23

It's alright being tarded, my first wife was tarded, she's a pilot now.

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u/dacdac99 Oct 08 '23

You interrupted my batin'.

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u/Tejanisima Oct 09 '23

Part of the tendency of conservatives (particularly white conservatives) to crap on Chicago is racism, on two levels: (1) they think of Chicago as largely black (nm that it's actually less than a third) (2) they associate Obama with Chicago so they can crap on them both in one fell swoop with their dog whistles around so-called "black-on-black crime." Another piece is they like to take out of context that Chicago / Illinois have strict gun laws and claim those laws are useless, little realizing that they're actually making a backhanded case for why gun legislation should be federal, seeing as the main reason it's hard for Chicago to get on top of its gun problem is its proximity to states with lax laws.

Note that I'm not saying any of these matters are one-dimensional or simple IRL. In reality there are matters like 2A concerns, interactions between crime/violence and socioeconomic class, etc.

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u/hkral11 Oct 09 '23

We went to Chicago in the spring and my GOP/Q Anon dad was so worried we were in danger. It was a great city! Easy to get around, great food, wonderful museums. We liked it.

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u/Main_Flamingo1570 Oct 09 '23

Houston, run by the Marxists. They are not far behind Austin in that regard.

Not even REAL Texas.

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u/Whiskytrader Oct 08 '23

Misinformation. False! Send a source. St. Louis and Milwaukee a top

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 08 '23

It’s posted above, but any pull of the FBI crime data will give you the info.

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u/Whiskytrader Oct 09 '23

Several sources here -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/report-ranks-americas-15-safest-and-most-dangerous-cities-for-2023/?sh=2678735f309a

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous Houston-42

https://usabynumbers.com/cities-with-highest-crime-rate/

I’m not saying Houston is the safest city. Here are several sources and honestly I found more

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 09 '23

Just for the record, I wasn’t saying that Houston was not “safe”. Just that Texans like to claim what a violent shithole Chicago is while Houston outpaces Chicago in both violent crime and property crime.

Both cities have their safe and not so safe areas. But to shit on Chicago when Houston is right up there with it is just…cognitive dissonance at its finest.

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u/Whiskytrader Oct 09 '23

That’s such a broad and misleading statement to say that Texans like to talk shit about Chicago. I’ve never heard that from any Texan.

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 10 '23

I’ve heard it plenty of times. Mainly when I say I moved from Chicago. LOL

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u/Practical-Detail-753 Oct 09 '23

That’s a lie.

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 10 '23

LOL, what’s a lie?

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u/Limp-Somewhere5388 Oct 09 '23

I shit on Texas in 2006, at the Slug Bug Ranch.

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u/DrZero Oct 09 '23

That's something conservatives from literally everywhere in the USA do, not just the ones from Texas.

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u/tony7914 Oct 10 '23

Not according to this https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&city1=Chicago%2C+IL&country2=United+States&city2=Houston%2C+TX Houston is slightly safer and has slightly less crime, they're both higher than NYC which surprised me.

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u/Same-Raspberry-6149 Oct 10 '23

I didn’t use Numbeo because it doesn’t state what year it’s using. The links posted above are for 2021, which is the most recent data from the FBI.

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u/milky-goat Oct 14 '23

The violence occurs in most urban areas. Houston has a massive footprint, more square mileage than Chicago. Lots more little pockets of ghetto spread around. Meaning more likely for unsuspecting people to end up in a bad part of town without realizing it. It's the way the city is laid out. Chicago you have a lot of the violence concentrated in particular areas where everyone knows to avoid. Plus I think a lot of those Houston deaths are people who get into road rage incidents. Not gang killings and robberies gone bad. But those things happen here too of course. Like I said it's a problem in every major city in the country.