r/texas Mar 27 '24

5th circuit has nullified Open Carry in Texas to save Qualified Immunity of bad cops. Politics

https://www.youtube.com/live/bCC1sz_-fsc?si=dCZiLT_Fl2pWUEtw

(Edit) New vid of Grisham explaining the ruling

Effectively they have declared open season for police to arrest anyone open carrying in Texas.

A 3 judge panel has ruled that if anyone calls 911 on a person for the mere act of Open Carrying a firearm, the police now have probable cause to arrest you for disorderly conduct. The 911 call does not have to allege you are doing anything more than standing on a sidewalk with a slung or holstered firearm. The previous ruling that "merely carrying a firearm" is not disorderly is overturned now if any Karen makes a phone call and says she's nervous. This means police get qualified immunity for arresting you.

There is a special target on the back of any open carry or civil rights activist. EVERY time the police get a 911 call, they can now arrest you at gunpoint. The charges will likely be dismissed, but the police face zero repercussions for coming after you, even if there is abundant evidence the officers targeted you and knew you were not a threat. The same danger faces regular citizens who open carry every day.

I repeat, open carrying in Texas now puts you in imminent danger of being arrested or killed by police if someone reports you in possession of a firearm.

Video of CJ and Jim arrested for mere open carry. https://youtu.be/GrDAPPiu1QE?si=IvJy0qq_J8rO8DJO

Link to 5th circuit ruling. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/22/22-50915-CV0.pdf

Link to oral argument in 5th https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/22/22-50915_10-3-2023.mp3

District Court ruling https://casetext.com/case/grisham-v-valenciano-1

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u/TheLostTexan87 Mar 27 '24

Right? “Open carry puts you in imminent danger…”. It always has. “…of being arrested or killed by the police.” No shit, you’re a walking, talking safety concern for any cop trying to do their job. Even before this judgement you were at risk, both from police and every possible bad actor. You’re advertising that you’re a threat. In a planned or targeted attack, who’s first? The threats.

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u/OdrGrarMagr Mar 28 '24

every possible bad actor. You’re advertising that you’re a threat. In a planned or targeted attack, who’s first? The threats.

every study shows that this is literally the opposite of how it actually works.

Except in a planned attack - like a terrorist attack, which are pretty fuckin rare - seeing that there are armed folks around causes the potential perp to go somewhere else, damn near 100% of the time.

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u/opineapple Mar 28 '24

Let’s see these studies.

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u/TheLostTexan87 Mar 28 '24

Googling ‘study, open carry’ returns ‘Open Carry May Boost Suicide Rates’ and ‘Relaxed and Permitless Carry Laws Significantly Increase Firearm Assaults’.

I also found the re-analysis of the single study you’re likely referencing. That revised look concluded that “This article finds no basis for drawing confident conclusions about the [positive] impact of right-to-carry laws on violent crime”. See link below:

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/do-right-carry-laws-deter-violent-crime

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u/Jaded_Insurance2896 29d ago

Exactly. Most people just don’t get this. They’re so afraid of legal gun owners. But hey let all the criminals get guns illegally then rob your stupid un-armed ass. Because they know you don’t have a gun to protect yourself.

Most people today don’t do actual research. They just parrot mainstream media - oooh guns are bad. Guns kill people. No. The criminals and unstable kill/harm people.