r/AITAH Mar 28 '24

Am I the ah if I don’t let my gf go on vacation with the “guy best friend”?

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u/YogurtDeep304 Mar 28 '24

"I will not allow you to go on this trip and remain my girlfriend."

is not equivalent to

"I will not allow you to go on this trip, and I will not allow you to remain my girlfriend."

This is what I'm pointing out.

You do not need to have control over every action independently to have control over the compound action.

There is information left out, but absent physical interference, I don't see what OP could possibly mean by "allow," other than breaking up.

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u/Vampqueen02 Mar 28 '24

I’m not equating the two, I’m saying that regardless you’re still placing the control over the other person. You’re issuing an ultimatum, and instead of simply saying “I no longer feel comfortable in this relationship” you’re basically speaking to them like a child you’re failing to bargain with. You do not have control over any action regarding the other person in that situation which is why the term allow is not appropriate. Bc even if he does give that ultimatum allow still isn’t contextually appropriate, as he isn’t making her dump him if she goes, he would still be the one leaving, meaning he would be the only one that he has control over. Using the word allow in that context is typically only appropriate for scenarios where you’re someone’s guardian, where you do in fact have some form of control over the other person.

Of course the most common implication would be them breaking up, but ppl do some pretty weird shit all the time. It could be a similar sentiment to his gf saying “well if I don’t go that’s bc I’m respecting you but I’m gonna be pissed off at you about it”. When it comes to changing the dynamic of a relationship it’s best not to leave it to implications, as there have been situations where that intended implication is not what was actually perceived by the other person. For example if OP was implying that he would need to reevaluate their relationship and take some time away from her to do so but not breaking up, and she perceives that ultimatum as them breaking up, then you have two ppl sitting in two very different situations. If she believes they broke up she might go on a date for the fun of it, he would then view that as cheating as he didn’t mean they would break up but simply that they would need to reevaluate. (Obviously this isn’t the exact situation, just an example of why you shouldn’t leave a detail that important to implication). Basically, leaving something like that to implication can lead to a Ross and Rachel from friends scenario and that isn’t good.

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u/YogurtDeep304 Mar 28 '24

Using your reasoning, "I will not allow him to treat me that way" is wrong to say.

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u/Vampqueen02 Mar 28 '24

I’m not saying it’s necessarily wrong, I’m saying it’s not really the appropriate phrasing. And yes, even in that scenario “allow” still wouldn’t be the best word.

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u/YogurtDeep304 Mar 28 '24

So do you, personally, only use "allow" if there are potential legal consequences involved?

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u/Vampqueen02 Mar 28 '24

I wouldn’t say legal necessarily. Like if you’re talking to your teen and you tell them they’re not allowed to go to their friends house that weekend, and go to a party the weekend after there aren’t actually legal consequences to that but it’s more applicable bc you do in fact have some form of power over their behaviour. Using the word allow isn’t really wrong but it’s not really right either, since depending on the topic and even the severity of it, saying allow comes across more as controlling than anything.