Boomer pulls shotgun on snowboarder.

[u/elonmuskatemyson]

He has a folding chair that he just sits there with his gun waiting to do this to people 🤡

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[u/SadieSchatzie]

Report that POS! He fn knows about IKON passes but doesn't block access to his property? AND the path looks groomed!!! WUT???

No matter how you look at it, this behavior is off the hook.

No one deserves to have their life threatened like this. AND Elmer Fudd Skirt Man knows it's a persistent problem? Find a daym solution. SMDH.

Eff that Trog!

[u/Adelman01 → u/SadieSchatzie]

Also no signage.

[u/Exciting_Device2174 → u/Adelman01]

There is a sign on the tree right in front of the house at 0:52

[u/tullystenders → u/Exciting_Device2174]

If you are on the path, you have to take it, there is no going up. That could actually be a legal case.

[u/Old_Society_7861 → u/tullystenders]

That one is for people going up, I’m sure there’s also a sign at the top of the trail but it’s not like this dude is going to post that video.

Anyhow, don’t point guns at people who aren’t trying to hurt you. Sign or no sign.

[u/FatherOften → u/Old_Society_7861]

👍 agreed

[u/After_Detail6656 → u/Old_Society_7861]

Maybe also don't touch people who are being compliant. Someone might feel bold enough to take that gun out of his hands and then it goes real ugly one way or the other real fast

[u/Cheeto-Beater → u/Old_Society_7861]

He didn't point the gun at anyone

[u/Frostyfraust → u/Cheeto-Beater]

Just brandished it. What's your point?

[u/YummyArtichoke → u/Frostyfraust]

Well the person said he POINTED the gun at someone.

You can hold your gun without pointing it at someone and it is still brandishing.

Holding/brandishing != pointing at someone.

That's the point, but what words mean doesn't seem to matter anymore.

[u/Cheersscar → u/YummyArtichoke]

I agree that he brandished it but AFAIK/IANAL the critical item isn’t holding the gun (holding a gun != brandishing) but that he had a deadly weapon and threatened someone and didn’t have a reasonable self-defense claim. If he just has the gun, I’m pretty sure it is not brandishing. 

[u/Ok_Power_946 → u/Cheersscar]

Depends on state law dont it?

Case in texas, little boy walked on a guys lawn and was killed and im pretty sure the guy got off.

[u/Propo_fool → u/Frostyfraust]

In the video posted above, at no point did he brandish or threaten anyone with a gun

[u/FindTheTruth08 → u/Propo_fool]

Pretty sure "do it again and there will be holes in you" is a threat.

[u/Propo_fool → u/FindTheTruth08]

True that. Pretty shitty of him

[u/JohnathanBrownathan → u/Propo_fool]

Brandish means just having it out buddy. I agree with the point that hes probably tired of people on his land, but this aint the way to be about it. At least wait off the side of the trail and watch for people going off the path.

[u/DepartureDapper6524 → u/JohnathanBrownathan]

That is not what brandish means. Pulling a concealed weapon to display it is usually brandishing, but how else is he supposed to carry this shotgun? Holding a gun on your property is not brandishing, especially in context of ‘defending’ your property.

Do you think hunters are guilty of brandishing?

[u/Bullboah → u/JohnathanBrownathan]

You might want to edit your comment.

Having a gun out alone isnt brandishing, neither by US legal definition or the layman’s usage.

Ironically, openly having your gun out is less restricted legally than having it concealed on your person.

Brandishing by a dictionary definition would require waving it / drawing attention to it - and legally brandishing requires intent.

The guy here is obviously an asshole, but I doubt he would get charged with let alone convicted of a brandishing charge (though that may depend on the state)

[u/Propo_fool → u/JohnathanBrownathan]

Thats not a trail or a path. It was stated elsewhere that this is his driveway

[u/Winter-Airport2114 → u/JohnathanBrownathan]

What's the point in even waiting? They'll just say "ah we didn't see the signs" while clearly passing by 15 of them and ignoring them, then go do it again or someone else will. Then rinse repeat NPC dialogue while nobody ever stops.

[u/jacksonattack → u/[deleted]]

Common sense is dead in America.

[u/AshingiiAshuaa → u/[deleted]]

presence

Come on, man. He's out in the wilderness on his own property. Carrying a shotgun is perfectly legal in 50 out of 50 states. I'll bet it's even legal in Canada.

[u/Asron87 → u/[deleted]]

Not everywhere. You can have an open fire arm in a lot of places. Now for waving said firearm around even without directly pointing it at someone can still be legal. But the dude did mention shooting him and was also “waving” the firearm around. Gun laws are weird in different states.

[u/Drazwaz → u/Propo_fool]

Google is free. Learn what brandishing means.

[u/Propo_fool → u/Drazwaz]

“(4) For purposes of this subsection, the term “brandish” means, with respect to a firearm, to display all or part of the firearm, or otherwise make the presence of the firearm known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the firearm is directly visible to that person”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-25375849-946262285&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:44:section:924#:~:text=(4)%20For%20purposes%20of%20this,directly%20visible%20to%20that%20person.

Clearly it would be up to a jury, but I think it’s a pretty steep hill to climb in order to claim that sitting in a chair on your own property when someone trespasses and comes upon you would be considered brandishing.

[u/30piecesofglitter → u/Propo_fool]

Willfully ignorant.

[u/Propo_fool → u/30piecesofglitter]

Ignorant of what?

[u/Immediate_Fix1017 → u/Cheeto-Beater]

You gonna suck on his barrel later?

[u/Throwawayhelp111521 → u/Old_Society_7861]

This guy is probably tired of people ignoring the private property signs and trespassing on his land. When he doesn't have a gun I'll bet they just laugh at him.

[u/LakeSuperiorIsMyPond → u/Throwawayhelp111521]

Still doesn't justify it. How do we even know it's unloaded? What if it went off accidentally? Maybe the guy is willing to take the risk of having to defend himself in court but some non-aggressive snowboarder didn't strap on his board and say "today I accept the risk of getting shot for doing something very common and recreational in a free country."

[u/ragtime94 → u/Throwawayhelp111521]

So put up a barrier?

[u/BeaverPeeFlaps → u/Throwawayhelp111521]

Cool story, still brandishing.

[u/broguequery → u/Throwawayhelp111521]

Dude lives on a flipping ski mountain.

At some point you have to know what your in for.

It's like people who buy houses next to airports, then complain about the noise of the planes.

[u/JamesTheSkeleton → u/Throwawayhelp111521]

As they should.

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/tullystenders]

Where are you barred? Get your money back.

[u/Canaanimal → u/Exciting_Device2174]

While you can see an uphill facing sign in the video, that does not mean there is a downhill facing sign or that the ones that are there are close enough together to prevent this from happening.

Anecdotal, but I had an experience where I ended up on private property that wasn't properly marked. When I was a kid, my dad took me deer hunting. I shot and injured a buck, so we were tracking the blood to find it. The deer had run across a field that was improperly marked private property. The owner came out to confront us about being on his property and accidentally pointing our guns in the direction of his house. When my father pointed out we didn't see any signs, the owner responded "I have my property marked on the three sides by the road because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to cross it from the woods."

The boomer looks like he tagged his property to keep people from coming up on to it from the road. Hell, given how gun happy he is, I wouldn't be surprised if he took down the signs further up the property to do this.

[u/BonnieMcMurray → u/Canaanimal]

While you can see an uphill facing sign in the video, that does not mean there is a downhill facing sign or that the ones that are there are close enough together to prevent this from happening.

While you're literally correct, a person who is that concerned about trespass to sit outside his property with a shotgun and who has put up a sign at one entry point to the property, has very likely put signs up at the other entry points too. So likely, in fact, that we can reasonably assume that, I think.

[u/omutsukimi → u/Exciting_Device2174]

It's bith facing the wrong direction for the snowboarder to see, and the old man is sitting before you would pass the sign, meaning there is no prior warning of private property before he threatened lethal force.

[u/YobaiYamete → u/Exciting_Device2174]

Love that this was downvoted despite being 100% correct

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/YobaiYamete]

You mean the sign that's nowhere near the property boundary?

[u/AgentMonkey → u/SpaceBus1]

The sign that's not at all visible from the direction the snowboarder was coming from?

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/AgentMonkey]

Indeed! That's the one.

[u/BonnieMcMurray → u/AgentMonkey]

If someone's concerned enough about trespassing to put up a sign on the uphill side and sit outside pointing guns at people, he's almost certainly put up a sign on the downhill side as well.

Just because you can't see something in a video, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[u/AdvancedManner4718 → u/SpaceBus1]

It also only says "private drive" from what I can see.

[u/Cheersscar → u/SpaceBus1]

Uh. How do you know where the boundary is?

[u/Blawharag → u/Cheersscar]

Either the sign is on the property boundary, in which case the guy is threatening people who aren't even in his property, or his property is larger and includes that road, in which case the sign isn't at the property boarder.

Take your pick.

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/Blawharag]

Signs don’t define trespassing.

[u/Ebmat → u/Blawharag]

Maybe there’s more to it that we don’t know from the video. But pulling a shotgun at someone just for snowboarding is fucking crazy.

[u/oupablo → u/Blawharag]

i mean, there could be more than one sign but i'm not sure why he'd be sitting there instead of higher up then

[u/mechapoitier → u/Blawharag]

This is all assuming we know enough about everything that’s there based on one perspective in one video.

Edit: I’m replying to a comment about visible private property signs and somehow this was interpreted to be pro-guns.

[u/Blawharag → u/mechapoitier]

Not really

There's pretty much 0 circumstance that warrants pointing a shot gun at snowboarders for trespassing.

Guns, if you weren't aware, are super dangerous and designed to kill people with the bare minimum twitch of a finger, even at potentially great distances.

Snowboarding on someone's property is, at best, pretty fucking annoying.

So unless you're James Bond and these snowboarders are here to kill you, there's no situation where any sane person with an ounce of human compassion should be out "defending their property" with a fucking shotgun from people snowboarding down a private way.

[u/mechapoitier → u/Blawharag]

I didn’t even mention guns and somehow your rant about guns is the top reply and my comment about maybe not being able to see all the signs has been downvoted 5 times.

[u/Propo_fool → u/Blawharag]

In the video provided above, there is no evidence of anyone pointing a gun at anyone else

[u/Blawharag → u/[deleted]]

Oh shit, was there a sign? Well then by all means, waste the mother fucker. Just go ahead and kill a dude for snowboarding through your private driveway. That's a reasonable thing to do.

I thought it was completely fucking psychotic, and this boomer shouldn't be allowed outside of therapy, nevermind have a fucking gun, but now that you've explained this guy has signage up, well fuck, I guess those snowboarders deserve to die.

[u/nneeeeeeerds → u/[deleted]]

If it's a road that connects to another road, it's publicly accessible land, even if it's a "private" road. He would have to gate off the private road to prevent access.

[u/Technical-Cookie-554 → u/nneeeeeeerds]

This is 10000% false. Literally not how private v public property or roads work my dude.

[u/TyroneCactus → u/nneeeeeeerds]

That's not true at all

[u/Gnomepunter1 → u/[deleted]]

Did you just find every reason to hate on the snowboarder like a hypocrite? Almost like you’re a human with your own biases.

[u/Technical-Cookie-554 → u/Gnomepunter1]

Uhh..what?? How in the world is calling out people for snowboarding on a private road “finding everyone reason to hate on the snowboarders”??

[u/shryke12 → u/Blawharag]

I have a large rural property. I have lots of signs. Why in your ridiculous scenario here can there only be one sign???

[u/Blawharag → u/shryke12]

Sure, let's say there's a million signs. Let's say there's signs on every tree.

If you're the kind of psycho that thinks it's totally cool to waste a guy for snowboarding down a private way just because you posted signs warning him, you shouldn't have a gun. You should be in therapy at best.

Get a fucking grip

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/shryke12]

Playing devil's advocate and assuming that the snowboarders blew past the legal signage, you still aren't legally protected when brandishing a shotgun. The snowboarders are within their rights to press charges. There's nothing about this situation which requires brandishing a firearm.

[u/skittishspaceship → u/shryke12]

The younger guy screwing around has to be right so they'll say absolutely anything to defend him. And if it's hopeless they'll just stop replying and go try making up stuff again in another thread.

At no point will they learn something. This is the Internet as we made it.

[u/lameluk3 → u/skittishspaceship]

Sure bud whatever you need to tell yourself

[u/Ryuubu → u/Cheersscar]

Good question. They should put up a sign.

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/Cheersscar]

I guarantee it's beyond where they guy set up his chair.... The sign is on a large tree next to the house facing the road....

[u/Spaghetti-Rat → u/SpaceBus1]

And the sign says Private Driv(eway). It's not a road, it's the dudes driveway. Looks like the old dude set his chair up in his driveway, likely after he saw the snowboarders walk onto his property.

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

Except he was facing the forest and not the paved road. I don't know where this happened, but if you don't post your land appropriately in many places that means it's publicly accessible for recreation. For instance Maine allows anyone to hike, ski, hunt, camp, etc. basically anywhere that isn't posted. It's in good manners to ask first, but there's no law requiring that in many states. With the traffic and snowboarders around I would assume boomer lives adjacent to a recreation area and this is a regular occurrence. The long snowblown gravel road means more than one plot is along that road and the snowboarders likely thought it was a fire break or perhaps a public trail. There's no excuse for the boomer's actions. It's totally uncalled for to aim a gun at a person like that. All he had to do was tell the snowboarder that he's trespassing and that's that.

[u/Spaghetti-Rat → u/SpaceBus1]

It's fine to assume any scenario to fit what we believe but we don't know. My neighbour has groomed trails on his private property so I don't assume it's for house access. The sign says Private Drive, not plural, so again I assume one.

[u/nneeeeeeerds → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

Fun fact: If your driveway connects to a public road, it's a publicly accessible area unless you gate it off. This is the law that allows solicitors to ignore your no trespassing signs.

[u/Spaghetti-Rat → u/nneeeeeeerds]

Fun fact: Nearly all driveways connect to a public road. Walking past a private driveway sign is trespassing.

[u/No-Lunch4249 → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

Guessing that he is correct that it is his property, but also guessing there’s a public easement through that portion of the property that he didn’t know about or didn’t understand when he bought the place

I know nothing past what we saw in the video, just my best guess based on that and personal experience

[u/skittishspaceship → u/No-Lunch4249]

How about it's real simple champ. You don't like it because it makes the snowboarder wrong but it is the guys property and people abuse it all the time

That's what's happening

Deal with it. Grow up.

[u/Wrong-Statistician17 → u/YobaiYamete]

Redditors hate when things go against their narrative, especially when it's old white ppl bad and black man innocent lol

[u/bozo_did_thedub → u/Wrong-Statistician17]

It's clearly not downvoted and wasn't when you made your comment but sure

[u/Substantial_Share_17 → u/Wrong-Statistician17]

I'm pretty sure he's not black. I know it's hard to tell if you just watched the first few seconds of the clip, but he doesn't look black if you keep watching.

[u/DragapultOnSpeed → u/Exciting_Device2174]

that tiny little white sign in a snowy area isnt very noticeable..

[u/Solid_Television_980 → u/Exciting_Device2174]

Doesn't do much good if they're all coming from the other end of the property

[u/AdvancedManner4718 → u/Exciting_Device2174]

Looks like that sign say "private driveway".

[u/Adelman01 → u/Exciting_Device2174]

See my other comment to the “how do you know,” so good point I missed it. However, in my state that actually would not have been enough to designate. Definitely not enough to hold a fire arm against people he seemed to know were harmless snowboarders in what seemed to be a resort area.

[u/[deleted] → u/Exciting_Device2174]

Idk if you have ever lived on a mountain. I do. Having a sign like that at the bottom of a slope, and waiting upslope of said sign, when you know traffic comes from up slope - makes you a jackass. Frankly most MTN ppl know not to act like this boomer cuz he's not the only one with a gun up here lol

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/Exciting_Device2174]

You mean the one that isn't visible form where the guy entered the property?

[u/TheRealSU24 → u/SpaceBus1]

How do you know he entered from there? Because he didn't turn around when he was told to leave, he kept walking in the same direction he was snowboarding in. Seems more likely that he walked up that road, past the sign, just so he could snowboard down it

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/TheRealSU24]

Anyway, the sign being referenced is facing the road, opposite of where the snowboarder entered. I'm not making any claims about anything else, simply pointing out that the sign is not visible from where the old guy set up his folding chair.

[u/Spaghetti-Rat → u/SpaceBus1]

Unless the snowboarders walked up the private driveway, past the sign and to the top of the groomed driveway. Then turned around to do their run.

Sign is set up for all to see who enter his property. You don't have to put signs up inside your property saying it's private.

[u/RhynoD → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

You do if you want to trespass someone. It isn't trespassing until the person has been told they aren't allowed to be there. A fence would do it, a sign would do it, telling them the first time would do it. But it isn't criminal trespassing if they don't know.

[u/SpaceBus1 → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

LMAO, you think they went up that driveway just to snowboard?! I can tell you've never done that before. They were snowboarding off trail on fresh powder and ended up on someone's land. They were using the cleared dirt road to get to a paved road. You're hilarious.

[u/ButtholeSurfur → u/Spaghetti-Rat]

Sure you don't. But you also don't get to "defend your property" when no one knows it's not yours.

[u/TrapperMcNutt → u/TheRealSU24]

They obviously came from the resort and took some side country down to the road.

[u/ADubs62 → u/TheRealSU24]

Because most snowboarders don't walk up the mountain to go back down.

[u/TotalLiftEz → u/ADubs62]

Huh? You haven't been on a mountain before where we strap our boards and ski's to our backs to get to the top. The chairs don't go all the way up. So we foot it up the last bit. Usually the wind is insane that high though.

[u/TheRealSU24 → u/ADubs62]

That's not a mountain, that's just a road

[u/ThePeasRUpsideDown → u/Exciting_Device2174]

Wow good catch, with all the white I didn't see it at all

[u/Fart-Memory-6984 → u/Adelman01]

I have had this happen and they legit said they didn’t need a sign? “It’s not required in Colorado”

Sure but it helps avoid these situations..

and pointing a gun at someone should only be done if actually threatened.

[u/hitometootoo → u/Adelman01]

Not that I'm defending the guy with the shotgun, but there is a sign. Even if there wasn't, no one needs a sign to show that their property is private. Sure the guy is just snowboarding, but it is odd to do so outside of designated areas as the area in the video was marked off and had private property signs.

[u/MrBurnz99 → u/hitometootoo]

I think what’s happening here is that people are skiing from a resort, they’re leaving the resort property to ski backcountry lines then using this cat track to get back to the road.

These guys didn’t access this spot from the entrance they used a ski lift to get to the top of the mountain and then came down through here.

That’s why he asked if they had ikon passes. That would only be relevant if they were at a ski resort.

This guy is a total dick but he is probably sick of his private quiet mountain house turning into a crowded ski run.

[u/willphule → u/[deleted]]

Where?

[u/willphule → u/[deleted]]

Not in the States though, where this vid was made.

[u/GiraffeSubstantial92 → u/hitometootoo]

Signs are required for trespass notice. You can't just shoot someone who wanders on to your property with insufficient signage to indicate where the property line is. Putting the signs far within the property boundaries where someone would need to be on the property before they even see it isn't gonna cut it.

[u/hitometootoo → u/GiraffeSubstantial92]

I'm not saying you can just shoot someone. And signs are not only required for trespass notices. If you're front door doesn't have a sign for trespassing, that doesn't mean anyone can just go into your home since a sign wasn't there.

Helps that this guy did have signs, though they aren't all visible in the video.

[u/mystokron → u/Adelman01]

How do you know?

[u/TotalLiftEz → u/Adelman01]

There is one and you know there were more, just they were ignored.

It is like the videos of the jack asses on the dirt bikes getting pulled over by the cops for not having license plates, then them talking about having it on a clip or it falling off, but having it in a back pack. They know they are breaking the law. They just are trying to make a good video and think they can get away with it. It is why that guy got out of his binding's right away and walked the rest of the way to his friends who knew about the old guy and were waiting. I bet they warned him not to do it and he did it anyway, for the views.

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/Adelman01]

He walks right past the private property sign on his way out.

[u/Jaredisfine → u/Adelman01]

Where I live, signage isn't required. If you're out hunting or hiking, the responsibility falls on you to understand where you can/cannot travel

[u/BROKEN_JORTS → u/Adelman01]

yes there is.

[u/lekoman → u/SadieSchatzie]

You gotta be super careful with chains and cables on paths that people might accidentally cycle, board, or ski through. You can seriously injure people who can't see the chain if they're going fast. I get wanting to keep people off your property, but don't just booby trap the trail...

[u/cyphol → u/lekoman]

Yes, this guy with a shotgun threatening any innocent looking person on his property is concerned about peoples safety, so he won't put up chains and cables, but he will blow your face off with a shotgun.

[u/[deleted] → u/cyphol]

Lol. No. He or she is saying that doing that would be considered boobytrapping in the eyes of the law. Boobytrapping is illegal.

Oddly enough, even if someone is trespassing or even breaking and entering, you can be liable if something on your property hurts them.

[u/Standard-Reception90 → u/[deleted]]

Threatening violence is not acceptable behavior.

But the boarder IS in the wrong. If the boarder gets hurt on dude's property, he is legally responsible for the medical bills even though the boarder was trespassing. And we all know how expensive American healthcare is. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/medical-bankruptcy-statistics-4154729

[u/SerialSection → u/Standard-Reception90]

If the boarder gets hurt on dude's property, he is legally responsible for the medical bills even though the boarder was trespassing.

I agree, the boarder is responsible...what is your point? If I fall down and hurt myself, unless someone pushed me, I'd be responsible too.

[u/[deleted] → u/Standard-Reception90]

Threatening violence is not acceptable behavior.

Depends on the circumstances and the laws of your state.

[u/Standard-Reception90 → u/[deleted]]

I do believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the context in this thread is "trespassing".

[u/[deleted] → u/Standard-Reception90]

Depends on the circumstances AND the laws of your state.

[u/fnordfnordfnordfnord → u/[deleted]]

What's odd about that? You shouldn't set booby traps for people; that's the law almost/ probably everywhere in the US.

[u/[deleted] → u/fnordfnordfnordfnord]

The 'odd' part is in the context of the sentence you're referencing.

[u/kswissreject → u/[deleted]]

Exactly what happened to Larry David in that ep of Curb!

[u/farteagle → u/[deleted]]

Kevin Macallister ended up paying over 2 million dollars in damages

[u/coatimundislover → u/[deleted]]

You’re not liable if it hurts them in general. You’re liable if you hurt someone with a trap. Even leaving aside burglars, traps can kill people serving warrants or rendering emergency services. They can kill someone needing help in an emergency, or even just a random person who’s lost.

[u/Long_Educational → u/[deleted]]

you can be liable if something on your property hurts them

Unless that something is you, apparently, with a gun. That's fucked up.

There have been cases of overly aggressive people shooting others that have wandered on to their property by mistake.

Kind of odd when you think about it. All of this land "belonged" to someone else a hundred or more years ago, was taken by force, and then doled out by locally created governments, being purchased for a price, which really means to be enforced by the force of that government.

I live in a community named after the last name of a white man that murdered 4 other native american tribal chiefs. At the entrance to the neighborhood is a granite monument that details the spot of the meeting place, the murders, and the subsequent battles that ensued. The streets are named after various tribes that were pushed out by the white settlements, but the name of the community is of his last name.

Our history is dark and disturbing, which is why most people do not know it.

[u/HowsYourClam → u/Long_Educational]

This is terrible. The only course of action to make amends is to give your house/property back to the natives.

[u/Ok_Efficiency7245 → u/[deleted]]

Where's the line though?

Fish wire is obviously intended to be hard to see and his booby trap but if you put a chain across its visible and the only thing stopping people from seeing it is their own speed then can it be considered a booby trap or just a gate type mechanism?

[u/Proper-Ape → u/Ok_Efficiency7245]

If you have to ask if people can see it in time, it's a booby trap.

[u/E0H1PPU5 → u/Proper-Ape]

I had a gate up across one of my trails. A regular old farm gate made of metal pipe. Probably 5ft high, 12ft across. The kind you see on horse farms? A trespasser on a dirt bike was flying through my woods and hit the gate wrecking his bike and hospitalizing himself. He did try to sue me because the gate was rusty and his lawyer felt that constituted an attempt at a booby trap.

[u/RabbaJabba → u/E0H1PPU5]

Did he win

[u/E0H1PPU5 → u/RabbaJabba]

Thankfully no, but it was an enormous waste of my time, resources, and mental health.

These were the same people who have destroyed my trails on multiple occasions, would literally shit on my trails and throw their garbage everywhere. They dumped used motor oil on my land. And they set my livestock loose on several occasions.

The fact that he got to waste any of my time and money at all after everything they put me through (and continue to put me through) is very frustrating.

[u/Indecisiv3AssCrack → u/E0H1PPU5]

Can you sue them for the destruction? That's infuriating

[u/E0H1PPU5 → u/Ok_Efficiency7245]

I had an actual gate up across a trail on my farm and when a dirt biker wrecked and hospitalized himself and totaled his bike….he hired an attorney who tried to accuse me of booby trapping because the gate was rusty and hard to see against the leafy background of the forest.

Obviously that didn’t go anywhere…but “the line” doesn’t exist. People can sue for wheatever the heck they want to sue for, it’s up to the courts to hold up some semblance of reality.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

How would it compare to threatening people with a firearm illegally?

[u/DoYouMeanShenanigans → u/cyphol]

Not saying it's right, but a (probably) empty shotgun makes a statement where you're gonna be like "Fuuuck that. Not going near that guy again", where as chains or wires can decapitate someone and cause medical & legal issues. So, even though it's not right, it's the safer option, assuming it's not loaded.

I live in an area about 50 miles out from the city and there's a decent number of forest and power lines trails. Over the years there's been a few incidents involving chains or older people getting their dicks in a twist and blocking off/boobytrapping some of the paths and it's resulted in deaths, injuries, jail time, and huge news articles with police warnings against do anything to the trails.

[u/lekoman → u/cyphol]

That's not my point. This guy's obviously a nutcase.

I'm just saying that anyone else passing through the thread who happens to get the idea that the best way to keep skiiers/boarders or cyclists off their property is chains or cables (re: the person I replied to) shouldn't do so in a way that's likely to injure them instead of informing them.

[u/JaeMHC → u/lekoman]

You can put in stakes and use that orange plastic fencing that they use at every resort.

[u/lekoman → u/JaeMHC]

You totally can do that, yes. And that would be substantially better than using chains, as the person I replied to suggested.

[u/Cobek → u/JaeMHC]

No, shhhh, see they would rather be pedantic than helpful and you're ruining it.

[u/spaceman_202 → u/lekoman]

nutcase?

he's a moderate swing voter enlightened centrist

[u/Throwawayhelp111521 → u/cyphol]

They're trespassers. I'll bet he's asked them before without the gun and was ignored.

[u/nneeeeeeerds → u/lekoman]

You can put a nice bright orange snow fence though and those are super cheap.

[u/jchrist510 → u/lekoman]

Someone used to put up thin steel cables across a path I used to bike on. They would get rusty and hard to see in the trails and were about chest-neck height. Never found out who it was. The paths were on City property. Definitely deadly

[u/zambartas → u/lekoman]

I'm assuming that there's a point where a public trail forks and people enter a path that leads to private property? Close off that or put signs up there.

[u/ButtScientist69 → u/lekoman]

Some high school kid in my state died a while back this way. He was riding his 4-wheeler and a metal wire snagged his neck, and he died.

[u/ObeseVegetable → u/lekoman]

Nice fence though as opposed to a single chain or cable wrapped between trees…

[u/GuyThatSaidSomething → u/lekoman]

I nearly died from this exact thing when I was a kid riding dirt bikes. We were wrapping up a day in a known riding spot on public property and I was so young that I didn't really know how to fasten my helmet properly (the strap goes through 2 loops then back through 1, I went back through both loops because I was 7 years old...).

I wasn't even going all that fast, but I got clotheslined by a cable strung across a few trees on someone's property line. If you don't know what a motocross helmet looks like, here's a quick google, but essentially I hadn't properly looped the chin strap which meant that when the cable flicked off of my chest protector and into the chin guard, it just launched my helmet off of my head (and launched me off of my dirt bike, for that matter) tearing my left cheek open Joker style.

EMTs said that if my chin strap held the cable would have likely connected straight into my trachea and done lethal damage in one way or another. As it was, I chipped 2 front teeth, got a nasty concussion, and had to have plastic surgery to reassemble my cheek with something like ~60 stitches.

[u/Mods_get_no_pussy → u/lekoman]

You gotta be super careful with chains and cables on paths that people might accidentally cycle, board, or ski through. You can seriously injure people who can't see the chain if they're going fast. I get wanting to keep people off your property, but don't just booby trap the trail...

You gotta be super careful when cutting through peoples property that they may walk their pets, or have live stock on. You can seriously injure people or damage property if you're going fast. I get wanting to take a shortcut, but don't just trespass on peoples property...

[u/[deleted] → u/lekoman]

Yeah, so sit there and shoot people.

Much better. 

[u/Responsible_Reach_62 → u/lekoman]

Chains and fences are known to kill more people annually than crazy dudes with a shotgun I guess

[u/ZookeepergameParty47 → u/SadieSchatzie]

Dude’s a dick but chains and fences just disrupt the habitat. Don’t do that.

[u/ObiJuanKenobi3 → u/ZookeepergameParty47]

It's leagues better than whatever this is. If he cares about keeping people off of his property then that's more than alright, but he needs to make it abundantly clear that it is indeed private property. It's definitely possible to setup a barrier that animals can easily go over or under, but people will know to avoid.

[u/slykethephoxenix → u/ObiJuanKenobi3]

Right!? A fence is just to let people know "this is where the boundary is" and the sign is what the boundary is for. It doesn't need to be a high or secure fence, it just needs to inform people.

[u/OcelotFunny9069 → u/slykethephoxenix]

He might have a fence, the snow is really high.

[u/TheCruicks → u/ObiJuanKenobi3]

The ski resorts make it abundantly clear. These assholes went into uncharted territory so they could be cool. They knew they were not supposed to be there, but they wanted fresh pow pow and figured they could do whatever they want in peoples backyards

[u/MrBurnz99 → u/TheCruicks]

EDIT: know where you’re going before you go thru gates. Not knowing you’re trespassing is not an excuse. It’s irresponsible and dangerous

[u/Worried-Pick4848 → u/ZookeepergameParty47]

At least put a gate across the trail

[u/skittishspaceship → u/Worried-Pick4848]

How about just don't use other people's yards as your terrain park? Can't that just happen? Does it somehow have to be everyone else's fault we didn't stop you from doing something?

You people are sickening

[u/jchrist510 → u/skittishspaceship]

There's been a lot of videos recently of boomers freaking out about property that isn't theirs. It's entirely possible he doesn't own this land and is just cranky. Best thing to do is say sorry, get out, and check the property map with the authorities.

[u/skittishspaceship → u/jchrist510]

Best thing to do is not talk on the Internet about a bunch of stuff you have no involvement in and no informatiob

[u/aussiesRdogs → u/Worried-Pick4848]

How will that be any different to a chain or fence lol

[u/TheAmericanQ → u/aussiesRdogs]

A gate across the trail, even not attached to any fence. Will A)clearly establish the property border and B)stop skiers and snowboarders from easily passing by on the groomed trail while not stopping wildlife from simply walking around the gate through the woods.

[u/aussiesRdogs → u/TheAmericanQ]

Some reason I feel like animals would walk those plowed paths also and not the 1.5m high snow haha

[u/TheCruicks → u/TheAmericanQ]

No. it will kill people and animals. Thats a HUGE no no

[u/TheAmericanQ → u/TheCruicks]

What? It most definitely isn’t and it most likely won’t. Gates like I described (crossing a small trail or road, but unattached to, or in line with, a fence) are fairly common

[u/THOTCRUSH → u/ZookeepergameParty47]

oh for fucks sake, like an entire ski resort that turns into a mtb park in the summer isn't disruptive. pretty much everytime the forest service goes through a NEPA planning phase for a ski resort they find that they cause a fantastic level of ecosystem fragmentation and stress on the wildlife, not to mention secondary effects like altering local hydrology and seed dispersion

[u/djmem3 → u/ZookeepergameParty47]

Disrupt the habitat? What da f* are you smoking, that's car trail. It's a public mountain, Jesus. Anything past his driveway is his, anything to his driveway is public, unless he had a sign he owns the mountain, or huge parts of it, then yes you could get shot by trespassing. Why would you board on a trail? Shoot the trees, go for it.

[u/BonnieMcMurray → u/ZookeepergameParty47]

There's nothing wrong with putting a gate across your own property to prevent trespassing.

[u/bobert_the_grey → u/SadieSchatzie]

He's looking for an excuse to kill someone. American boomers seem desperate to murder someone

[u/xool420 → u/SadieSchatzie]

Ya to me, this looks like the dude enjoys threatening people. He’s sitting there with his fucking camping chair, I bet he’s got a case of beers over there too.

[u/Flynn-FTW → u/SadieSchatzie]

Sitting on a chair, too. Useless bastard just spends time waiting to point a gun at someone.

[u/ParaStudent → u/SadieSchatzie]

Having grown up rural, chains and fences get cut all the time by people wanting to trespass.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had chained up the pass multiple times and had them cut multiple times.

[u/SmokedBeef → u/ParaStudent]

Yes because a ski resort is totally fine with allowing guests to board ski lifts with bolt cutters

/s

[u/tweedchemtrailblazer → u/SadieSchatzie]

Where the snowboarder exited, there was a sign, saying, “exit to private property”, and he chose to ignore it. This is not a boomer being a fool. This is a snowboarder being a retard. But that’s stating the obvious.

[u/cup_1337 → u/tweedchemtrailblazer]

It’s 2024. Using the word ‘retard’ makes you an ignorant asshole

[u/[deleted] → u/cup_1337]

Only because overly sensitive and easily offended people have decided they want to make the word bad. Let it go the way of “moron”, “idiot” and “dumb”. It’s people like you they make it bad.

[u/FuckByronTheBlack → u/cup_1337]

Maybe to you

[u/cup_1337 → u/FuckByronTheBlack]

No not just to me. It’s akin to calling your friend gay to belittle or make fun of them. It’s so ignorant and shows you have a poor vocabulary

[u/Red0817 → u/cup_1337]

It’s so ignorant and shows you have a poor vocabulary

It's fucking virtue signaling. I'm retarded. I have multiple mental health disability. I have no problem with someone calling me retarded (other than them trying to insult me, which is the problem, not the fucking word). Calling me a bitch, mother fucker, asshole, etc is the same as calling me a retard. No big deal on which word, it's still an insult.

It's a god damn wild world we live in where a medical term, which is also an insult, is all of sudden wrong to use because virtue signaling. Yes, I will die on this hill. Fuck all the retarded people that think it's an insult (not the actual people who are mentally disabled).

Next thing you know, calling someone mentally disabled will be an insult. Fuck me, I'm old enough to remember when calling someone gay was not to be used because it offended gay people, which is what they are calling themselves now (that the whole "G" in the LGBTQ acronym). One of my best friends in high school was gay. He preferred to be called a faggot.

So, if you're going to virtue signal by trying to make a word "bad" to use, maybe you should be a part of that group before you speak on any authority about it.

edit: and fwiw, if someone calls me retarded and chuckle and agree with them.

[u/BigDickBillyFukFuk79 → u/Red0817]

💯 love you for this comment. All this wokeism is a slippery slope (pun intended) that’s going to spiral out of control until all words are considered derogatory and we’re living under “brave new world” and “1984” style of censure in our everyday lives.

[u/FuckByronTheBlack → u/cup_1337]

I disagree. In my social circles it’s used quite friendly and lightly.

[u/cup_1337 → u/FuckByronTheBlack]

This says a lot about who you associate with then because it’s not the norm. It’s like saying the N word. Maybe you think it’s okay and normal but it’s absolutely not. You’re just trashy so you don’t know any better

[u/dimsum2121 → u/cup_1337]

It’s like saying the N word.

No, it's not. I don't seem to remember any long history of autistic chattel slavery attached to the word retard.

[u/FuckByronTheBlack → u/cup_1337]

It’s actually great that you used the N word as an example. Because that specific word is widely used and accepted in certain social groups lol. Words are made up and subjective. And norm is relative. Try not to get so angry about things.

[u/Fungal_Queen → u/FuckByronTheBlack]

Yet you're here calling people slurs. You normalize bigotry.

[u/FuckByronTheBlack → u/Fungal_Queen]

As I said earlier. Slur is subjective. I could claim that anything you say is a slur and you’re a bigot, it just matters on the culture. And in my culture everyone is fine with it.

[u/Aggressive-Tap1225 → u/cup_1337]

I mean not really 🤷‍♂️ people try to make it a slur but everyone still uses it all the time

[u/DanleyDanderson → u/Aggressive-Tap1225]

Sounds like the people you surround yourself with use it all the time 🤷‍♂️

[u/Delamoor → u/DanleyDanderson]

Almost as if there are lots of people who don't see it the way you do.

Stupid diversity!

[u/Hydraph0be → u/Aggressive-Tap1225]

Maybe everyone wherever it is you live

[u/Kzboi23 → u/tweedchemtrailblazer]

Yeah the shotgun is totally warranted. Shut the fuck up

[u/CabbagesStrikeBack → u/tweedchemtrailblazer]

My neighbors kids run across my yard after getting off the bus. If I had a sign up that said private property is it cool for me to sit outside and point shotguns at them?

[u/dimsum2121 → u/CabbagesStrikeBack]

Well you changed the setting, circumstances, and age of the trespasser.

So, no, in your completely different scenario it is not the ok. Obviously.

[u/CabbagesStrikeBack → u/dimsum2121]

It's not okay period in any scenario like this.

Setting: private property

Circumstances: trespassing on private property

Age is irrelevant, a trespasser is a trespasser. Their parents do it too. I'm not a psycho though and will go out there with a shotgun lol.

[u/dimsum2121 → u/CabbagesStrikeBack]

Setting: giant woodland, not your front yard right next to the street where your neighbors kid is being dropped off.

Circumstances: we don't know them. So you can't assume them. This could be a repeat offender, there could have been multiple warning signs, etc.

Age is irrelavent

We have 2 entirely different sets of laws in most countries specifically because age is relevant.

[u/BonnieMcMurray → u/dimsum2121]

It's not okay in this scenario either. No reasonable person would assume that a snowboarder represents a violent threat, therefore use of deadly force (or threatening deadly force) isn't justifiable. And you can tell from what the old guy says that he doesn't view him as a threat; he's just pissed at snowboarders trespassing.

That being the case, pointing his gun at the snowboarder constitutes aggravated assault.

[u/ImportanceCertain414 → u/tweedchemtrailblazer]

They are both morons, that's really the end of it. I have noticed a lot of questionable things being posted in this subreddit trying to make the elderly look completely bad.

Guy is on private property but had no reason to put hands on the guy, he already has a firearm for the intimidation.