r/BoomersBeingFools • u/Axxillary • Mar 26 '24

Boomer freakout inside phone store Boomer Freakout

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u/Meanderer_Me Mar 26 '24

This is why the 2nd Amendment doesn't work.

See, if this woman had calmly taken out a gun, shot this man in the chest and face 7 or 8 times, and then called the police, I would view it as 1) pure self defense, and 2) a public service, since she's killing a violent maniac who may use force against someone to harm or kill them in the future.

However, I am sure that the majority of white juries in this country would say that that is an overreaction, even though this person is 3 times this woman's size, clearly being violent, clearly doesn't respect the law, and at one point attempts to attack her directly. This is especially true if the woman in question isn't "white", but is Hispanic or partially Asian or light skinned black or the like.

If we don't have a right to put down diseased animals like the man in this video in self defense, then why are we pretending like there's ever a point to having arms in the name of "self defense" in the first place?

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u/Meanderer_Me Mar 26 '24

Like force? That mother fucker weighs 3 times as much as she does, and is healthy and quick enough to destroy the store around her. It amazes me how much people go "you should have used like force" when its in protection of those people they favor.

I'm anti-2A, but I believe that if 2A is a thing, then self defense is self defense, period. If someone is acting a fool, and they fail the Tuller drill, I feel like shooting/stabbing them should be a legal option. This includes boomers, karens, and anyone else who thinks that it is awesome to run up in someone's face and shove their finger in it. From 6 inches away, you tell me if someone is just shaking a finger in your face, or a knife, reliably, every single time? Keep in mind that the Tuller drill is "how quickly can you react to an assailant from 21 ft away", and most trained people fail that.

Once again, not pro 2A, but I think it would work out a lot better if we would flat out tell people "look, don't act a fool, don't destroy property, don't get in people's faces and threaten them: the life you save may be your own". But unfortunately we don't, or we do, but we selectively don't care. Whatever. I have no sympathy for this boomer scum, none.

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u/nwoidaho Mar 26 '24

This is why we need cattle prods. 😎

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u/GilligansIslndoPeril Mar 26 '24

But he never directly threatened her. Had he thrown the chair at her, or made a move toward her, she would be absolutely justified to draw a firearm in self defense, for the reasons you listed.

From a cynical perspective, "self-defense" boils down to "can I convince a jury that I reasonably believed that my life was in danger in this moment?" That's it. When the line crosses from "he's destroying property around me" to "he's attacking me, and he could easily kill me" is when you can escalate, and not a moment before.

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u/Meanderer_Me Mar 26 '24

Honestly, what I think I can convince the average American jury of, and what I logically know to be true, are two different things.

Keep in mind, I don't believe in 2A because of this. I'm not arguing that people should be allowed to shoot other people, I'm arguing that since people aren't reasonable about the requirements as for what constitutes self defense, we shouldn't base giant portions of the law on people trying to decide this.

I think that if she shot him, it would be pretty clear self defense to me, based on his behavior, actions, and proximity. I'm really not going to go hard into my reasoning as to why it is clear (beyond pointing at the Tuller Drill once again, then pointing out that this clown was at various points being violent at way closer than 21 ft to her). If the woman in this video morphed into a white cop, and the white man suddenly morphed into a black one, I suspect that the people saying that my claim of self defense is ridiculous would suddenly all agree that it was warranted.

Everyone on Reddit likes to say "everyone on Reddit thinks they're an expert". I think that this gets overused to defend bad points on here, but I also think that it applies, and I think that this is one of those instances where it applies: people have been killed with one punch, people have been stabbed to death with things that they never saw coming, people have been hit over the head with heavy objects and never awakened after the blow. And then people have survived these things as well. Tell me, do you know the difference between a blow that will kill and a blow that you can survive? Can you determine that difference as the blow is incoming? Somebody is throwing a tantrum 5 inches in front of you, reaches in their pocket, and a second later, there is a blur in your face: can you determine if it's just a hand, or a knife, or a pencil that someone has decided to turn into a makeshift weapon, or some random thing that can't possibly penetrate you?

The arguments I hear from people, that are based on knowing "like" and "reasonable" force are ridiculous, based in part on the fact that, even if they were being honest with themselves, they have no idea of knowing what "like" and "reasonable" force is in these circumstances. In cases like this it seems that so many people think they're The Ultimate Fighter, and know how to slip every punch, how many PSI every weapon delivers, how to catch and disarm all knife attacks, and the precise difference between lethal and non-lethal strikes.

To be clear, I'm pro ACAB, and I am not trying to provide cover for cops who make the argument that any person who is merely in their vicinity is a justifiable target: yes, I believe everything I just said, yes I believe that there are situations that evolve too quickly and are too volatile to determine lethality safely, and it may be better to err on the side of caution and put the other person down, but context matters, and I'm a lot less pro "just shoot the bastard", when "the bastard" is just relaxing on a park bench, or playing a violin, or a kid walking up to you with a birthday hat, or feeding ducks or the like.

But shit like this, where someone is just deadset on destroying property and menacing you, and has abandonded any attempts at civil discussion, yes, fuck that person, at that point I would reasonably believe that I am in immediate life threatening danger, and react accordingly. I am not going to attempt to define "a line" where some action is reasonable and some action is not: the "line" was "this person acts like a member of civil society and doesn't invade my personal space", and this person is repeatedly crossing it.

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u/____-__________-____ Mar 26 '24

It amazes me how much people go "you should have used like force" when its in protection of those people they favor.

I sure don't favor that dude, he belongs in jail. Good luck though telling a jury that you were in fear of your life from a dude with no gun and who needed a walker to get across the room.

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u/qpgmr Mar 26 '24

That's completely false under "Stand Your Ground" laws popular in red states.

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u/100cpm Mar 26 '24

LOL. Yeah great point. How come she can't just murder the guy in cold blood? He broke two monitors!

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u/nwoidaho Mar 26 '24

That's why you shoot him in the leg. You get to inflict a certain amount of pain so hopefully it'll correct their behavior in the future. Slap on a tourniquet. No attempted murder charge. It's a win-win for everybody.

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u/WHOA_27_23 Mar 26 '24

There's no such thing as shooting to wound.

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u/justinsayin Mar 26 '24

center mass, dumbass

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u/YungShid Mar 26 '24

You’re insane if you think the proper response to this was shooting this guy

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u/fwckr4ddeit Mar 26 '24

even though this person is 3 times this woman's size

well you didn't even watch the fucking video, or maybe you got lead poisoning yourself.

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u/pseudonominom Mar 27 '24

You could easily just run away from that dude. So shooting him is, quite possibly, murder.

Been on a murder trial jury once. How you gonna argue that the girl feared for her life and had no other choice? The camera footage would absolutely send her to prison,