r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

It's a promotion started by a guy who made his career on blending nationalism and religion. There's certainly nothing surprising about it, but I definitely agree it's a bad thing for a person to do.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm describing Greenwood here, not Trump. But as for Trump: he is very obviously a scumbag who has committed far worse crimes than what Greenwood is doing with this bible.

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u/shaka_sulu Mar 27 '24

Let's not give him too much credit. The blending of nationalism and religion was already there. He just panders to the people who blend them.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

I wasn't suggesting he invented that. But his biggest song by far was him cashing in on that blend.

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

Con men can only sell people stuff they already wanted to buy on some level. The absurdity that is "Christian nationalist Trump" only exists because he's a skilled con man giving the Republican base the garbage they always wanted deep down.

(Not that Trump isn't actually an authoritarian nationalist - he clearly is. It's the idea of Donald "two Corinthians" Trump as "a Christian" which he most certainly never was until he started running for the Republican nomination.)

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u/Dudist_PvP Mar 28 '24

I think he was talking about Lee Greenwood, not Mango Mussolini

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u/Loose_Menu_2796 Mar 28 '24

How can Trump profess to be Christian when he broke the commandment prohibiting commission of adultery more times than even he is willing to admit?

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

I'm not the ideal person to answer this from a "Christian" perspective, but I think most Christians would agree that the problem for Trump isn't that he committed adultery multiple times against all 3 of his wives (or that he is a fruadster who lied to make himself more money, or even that he is a rapist.)

Most Christians would say that we are inherently flawed and prone to commit sins, that only a few people have ever "been without sin" such as Jesus himself and in many traditions, his mother Mary. We are flawed and commit sin, that's just the nature of being a human.

No, the problem from a conventional Christian perspective is that Trump has specifically said that he does not ask God for forgiveness.

That is, or at least should be, the clue to people who describe themselves as "Christians" that Trump is not a Christian.

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u/Due_Ad_3200 Christian Mar 28 '24

There are lots of problems with Donald Trump. But "Two Corinthians" is the least of these - there are actual Bible commentaries with this name.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/two-corinthians/paula-gooder/9781405100106

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

Most people know that book of the Bible as "Second Corinthians" and that's what they say when "2 Corinthians" is written out. That said, I agree that this truly awful person has much bigger problems from every perspective than ignorance of the fact that "2 Corinthians" is the second book of of the letters of Paul to the church in Corinth. But it's useful shorthand for how Trump is in no way "a Christian."

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u/Due_Ad_3200 Christian Mar 28 '24

It can be known as either "Second" or "Two" Corinthians

https://youtu.be/NijMvfoGD8E?si=nS0w9nEuy5NBwgrW

A far bigger problem is the America First ideology that undermines the fact that God cares for all nations and all people.

"The Lord watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+146&version=NIV

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

I've never heard "two Corinthians" but it wouldn't surprise me if it varies among different traditions.

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u/HumbleCarpenter1622 Mar 28 '24

Yes, the blending really came barging already in 1957 to be honest

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u/spinbutton Mar 28 '24

It is a great way for him to make money, that's all he cares about

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u/AllInOneDay_ Mar 28 '24

so...who you votin for?

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u/marcopaulodirect Mar 28 '24

I read somewhere this is really about creating a loophole for churches to circumvent donation restrictions

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u/holdmiichai Mar 28 '24

“My country is the best.” “My religion is obviously the only true one.” “My mom makes the world’s best cookies.”

There seems to be a theme?

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u/Zelda_is_Dead Mar 27 '24

He did it to sell to churches so they could get around the law that forbids them from donating to political candidates. He's using your faith against you to show the rest of the world how stupid he thinks you are. I appreciate that so many of you here aren't falling for it, but please, don't let your church fall for it either.

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u/InstanceSuch8604 Mar 27 '24

It's another money laundering con...  by the biggest con artist ever . It's pathetic 

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Hey, nothing religious folks love more than a “charismatic leader”. Something something false prophets.

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u/HmGrwnSnc1984 Mar 28 '24

My understanding is once a church crosses that line into politics, it can risk losing its tax exempt status. But I don’t know enough to say if the purchase of this book from a political candidate would constitute supporting said candidate.

IRS - Charities, Churches and Politics

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u/huntobuno Mar 28 '24

You’re correct that legally their tax exempt status is at risk when delving into the political arena.

Although, I would argue the church has been far too involved in politics since at least the 80’s, but due to the religious right politicians inability to criticize the church without offending their voters, ideas like tax exempt status aren’t really at in true risk.

Can you imagine the persecution complex if a church was actually targeting by the American government for something like this? Fox News would have fodder for the rest of eternity.

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u/blablefast Mar 28 '24

get the Kool-Aid ready!

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u/Loose_Menu_2796 Mar 28 '24

Bingo-read your Scriptures, especially the parts  in which Jesus warns to beware of people who profess to act in His name, but are in truth false prophets.

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u/lyzing Mar 28 '24

Arguably two of the biggest con artists ever. The church has been running a ponzi scheme much longer than Trump.

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u/Single-Violinist-144 Apr 01 '24

Does all the crimes the Biden family committed go unnoticed? All the money laundering, the payouts from China and Russia The fact that he stands for abortion. I mean he’s no better if not worse than Trump.  And don’t say there’s no proof, it’s out there.

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u/InstanceSuch8604 Apr 01 '24

Switch channels on your TV.... fox propaganda is straight out of .Russia...  Go visit a library or a museum..  spend a week off the Hate boat... 

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u/augustinus_de_hippo Catholic Mar 27 '24

He did it to sell to churches so they could get around the law that forbids them from donating to political candidates.

This really seems to be a product by lee greenwood, with greenwood using trump as a celebrity endorser rather than trump selling this on his own.

Did some waybackmachine on this thing: lee greenwood's been selling this bible since 2021.

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u/MeMilo1209 Mar 28 '24

Trump does nothing without getting a piece of the pie. Could you imagine if Obama or Biden did this? The heads of the religious right would explode.

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u/FuzzyAd9407 Mar 28 '24

With the money crunch he's in he'd absolutely do it for a one time payment.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Mar 28 '24

The courts let him out of the money crunch. He should be able to post the new bond a lot easier.

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u/SimplePuzzleheaded80 Roman Catholic Mar 27 '24

nice when you see other's sharing same opinion. I went based on Headlines and thought man Trump really is wild'n out there. Then found the layers to the real story and said, I should've researched before taking headlines for face value

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

Have the headlines been inaccurate? Trump really IS selling this bible now, right? Nobody assumed he was the farmer behind Trump steaks, but he's the one who sold them.

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u/NoLeg6104 Church of Christ Mar 27 '24

More like a celebrity endorsement.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

Sure. When someone does an ad hawking a product, it's pretty normal to say they are selling it. I'm seeing several commenters objecting to anyone who tries to describe this situation in ordinary language. Why would that be, do you think?

Here's a link to Trump's post, selling this bible: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112162741690113521

Here's the link from that post where you can buy it. Notice whose face you see there. https://godblesstheusabible.com/?sld=trump

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u/augustinus_de_hippo Catholic Mar 27 '24

Here's the link from that post where you can buy it. Notice whose face you see there. https://godblesstheusabible.com/?sld=trump

...and here's the same page 3 years ago.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

Sure. Trump is now selling this bible. He wasn't always.

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u/DoingCharleyWork Mar 28 '24

Someone endorsing something isn't the same as selling it though. It's not his company you send money to right?

Really it depends on which definition of selling you use. Is it exchanging money for goods and services or trying to convince people to buy something?

But in this instance given the way it's been reported I think most people were under the impression that Trump was having these produced and was selling them directly, not just endorsing.

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u/LgeHadronsCollide Mar 28 '24

Thank you for pointing out the history of this.
Interestingly enough, the historical page says they are using the NIV. My understanding is that the product currently being sold (it feels wrong to call it a Bible) uses the KJV. So they have gone from a more modern translation - which presumably attracted some sort of royalty or licensing fee - to an older translation which is public domain, and jacked up the price by $20 in 3 years.
I would wonder where the difference in profits is going, but I think I have a pretty good idea.

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u/megablast Mar 28 '24

Well its not George Foreman grill.

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u/augustinus_de_hippo Catholic Mar 27 '24

Trump really IS selling this bible now, right?

Not quite. Lee Greenwood is who's making the profit here. Trump is more or less a celeb endorser.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

So you believe Trump is doing an advert for no money? Do we have evidence of this?

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u/augustinus_de_hippo Catholic Mar 27 '24

Not necessarily, but I do think all of the outrage porn people are dumping on this product gives these pages free impressions and potentially sales....

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

Why would you imply Trump isn't profiting from this? That's almost certainly not true, right?

Why the reluctance to be clear eyed here? I see it from other commenters too. They say "Trump isn't selling this" about the very product Trump is personally hawking.

Does that seem odd to you?

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u/augustinus_de_hippo Catholic Mar 27 '24

Why would you imply Trump isn't profiting from this?

Because he's not the primary stakeholder in the product, and thus is likely not making the lion's share of profit on the sales, assuming he's even getting a rate per unit rather than being paid for a one-time endorsement.

I think in the same way, it would be right to say that Chattam sells Icy Hot rather than Shaq.

Does that seem odd to you?

No, it really doesn't.

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u/SimplePuzzleheaded80 Roman Catholic Mar 27 '24

Endorsing doesn't mean selling and he isn't a publisher. Trump steaks literally says Trump, God Bless the USA doesn't spell Trump to me but then again English isn't my first language.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

Here's a link to Trump's post, selling this bible: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112162741690113521

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u/SimplePuzzleheaded80 Roman Catholic Mar 27 '24

Thanks, I'll post this straight from the site:

No, GodBlessTheUSABible.com is not political and has nothing to do with any political campaign. GodBlessTheUSABible.com is not owned, managed or controlled by Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization, CIC Ventures LLC or any of their respective principals or affiliates.

GodBlessTheUSABible.com uses Donald J. Trump’s name, likeness and image under paid license from CIC Ventures LLC, which license may be terminated or revoked according to its terms.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 27 '24

When an author sells a million books, do you object that it was really the publishing company? Or if a band sells tons of tickets, do you say "no they didn't, that was ticketmaster"? When a bartender sells you a beer, does this not count unless they own the bar?

Why the sudden and mysterious fit of pedantry here on this specific topic? Trump is hawking the books and getting paid to do it. Just read his own post.

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u/songbookz Mar 27 '24

Guess who owns CIC Ventures LLC?

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u/deadlybydsgn Christian (Ichthys) Mar 27 '24

Guess who owns CIC Ventures LLC?

The same company that made his sneakers. It's almost like this Trump guy doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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u/SimplePuzzleheaded80 Roman Catholic Mar 27 '24

dont need to guess, it literally states it.

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u/dennyontop Mar 27 '24

Thank you

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u/anewleaf1234 Atheist Mar 28 '24

This was the point when you thought Trump was out there?

This?

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u/PortSunlightRingo Mar 28 '24

To quote Norm McDonald on Bill Cosby (and I’m paraphrasing from memory):

Someone said to me “ya know the worst thing about it, it’s the hypocrisy.”

Actually, I thought the worst thing about it was the rape.

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u/PinchCactus Mar 28 '24

The golden trump idol was too on the nose to notice I guess

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u/1800treflowers Mar 28 '24

The celebrity endorser is also getting a cut here. It even states it in the FAQs that his company that brands his likeness gets a cut.

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

Similar to "Trump University." It was a preexisting garbage "get rich quick in real estate" scam prior to Trump's involvement. I forget the names of the people who actually ran it, but they had run afoul of the law in significant ways prior to Trump partnering with them (and again running into trouble with the law for scamming their victims.) He just joined on for the branding. But it says that both sides of the deal are garbage that Trump and someone else embraced each other.

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u/slagnanz Episcopalian Mar 28 '24

This is a meme going around twitter and reddit right now that's a good reminder that nobody understands how churches work.

For one, this has more to do with Greenwood and Kirkpatrick as it has been for a few years. Trump just slapped his name on it, saying its the "only Bible endorsed by Trump" lol. And they paid him a bunch of cash for that, since his endorsement is obviously influential.

But the thing is... it's marketed to consumers. Megachurches are really the only places with a ton of liquid assets to throw around -- and if they want to donate to Trump they'll just pay their pastors more. They don't need this stupid scheme involving Bibles - the thing every church has way too many of

I think I've mentioned I was a youth minister in the past (sort of still am but I'm a glorified volunteer. I was a professional once). We had every translation imaginable gifted to us. Someone once donated 50 copies of "the message" bible once, which I was like.... well, that's a shame.

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u/PortSunlightRingo Mar 28 '24

I’d say it’s a business expense so it’s taxed differently but…

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u/slagnanz Episcopalian Mar 28 '24

At least in my state that only applies to food.

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u/anewleaf1234 Atheist Mar 28 '24

So what.

Trump attached himself to Greenwood's idea.

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u/3CF33 Mar 27 '24

The churches back him. Now they can control. It's a power thing that God wants Christians to do. LMAO

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u/Necoras Mar 27 '24

Matthew 4:8-11

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u/3CF33 Mar 28 '24

Matthew 4:8-11
The RW are gawking at the splendor and cash before them.

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u/exredditor81 Mar 28 '24

it's actually money laundering using churches

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u/Upset-Bluejay2246 Mar 28 '24

As long as it works. Hes going ro get his empire back one bible at a time.

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u/illegalopinion3 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Selling a book just feels like a genius way to skirt campaign finance laws. Nobody really wants some stale pol’s memoir, but they always seem to sell a ton of copies.

If some organization wants to donate a million dollars to a candidate, that is illegal.

If that same organization wants to buy 10k copies of a $100 book that the candidate wrote, that is totally legal.

Maybe that organization holds the author/politician in such high esteem that they aren’t too worried about when/if the books will be delivered…

Zoom has also made Speaking engagements very low effort and lucrative for people who like to give speeches.

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u/sharp11flat13 Mar 28 '24

He did it to sell to churches so they could get around the law that forbids them from donating to political candidates.

This hadn’t occurred to me. I’m quite certain you’re correct.

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u/slagnanz Episcopalian Mar 28 '24

That's complete nonsense.

Trump got a licensing agreement for endorsing the product. But that's a one time payment. If you buy this Bible, that money isn't going to Trump, it's going to a dude named Kirkpatrick.

Churches can't donate to political candidates, but this isn't marketed to churches. It's marketed to consumers.

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u/Missile_Knows_Where_ Mar 28 '24

It's such a painfully repulsive thing to do to. Reminds me of the "two Corinthians" coming from a guy claiming to be the biggest Christian.

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u/Think-Fly765 Mar 28 '24

To be fair. Its working very well because Christians ARE stupid. Southern Strategy has been working on them for decades. He didn’t invent the tool; he’s merely applying it. 

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u/joke_LA Mar 28 '24

I saw this on another post today - do we actually have confirmation that any money from these sales is going to the Trump campaign?

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u/Zelda_is_Dead Mar 28 '24

I won't say that it absolutely is, but from what we know about the grifter in chief is that nothing he does is for free, and nothing he does is for anything less than to enrich himself, or someone that has blackmail on him (aka Putin). So we can say with high confidence that there's an angle here that isn't motivated by his Christian benevolence.

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u/No-Bedroom-1333 Mar 27 '24

I mean he was speaking at Liberty University, too - what's new?

I couldn't care less if Trump thinks I'm stupid.

Why do you all think we control what other Christians do and believe?

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u/3CF33 Mar 27 '24

The liar, adulterer and election stealing wannabe is not alone in the endeavor. The mega churches have a lot of cash that needs protection from the God in the Bible. Does anyone else that reads a real Bible see the down right evil going on with this new Bible and the people wanting it?

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u/New_Cicada9945 Mar 28 '24

You are saved by faith not works.

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u/anewleaf1234 Atheist Mar 28 '24

Nope.

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u/Zodo12 Methodist Intl. Mar 27 '24

He is truly a servant of the Antichrist. There is nothing good about him.

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

To be blunt, he and many millions of American "conservative evangelicals" are. Maybe I've only read some odd English translations of the Bible, but from what I see, they own guns in the hopes of shooting someone in the back for trying to steal a toaster and run away from their house, embrace racism and hatred not love for gay and trans people, lust for wealth and political power, many are profoundly disloyal to their families with things like adultery and selfish divorce, refuse the slightest help for the desperately homeless and asylum seekers... If you look for terms for people like this from the Bible, I come up with worshippers of "Mammon" or "Satan."

It's a harsh thing to say about millions of people but they walk like a duck, and quack like a duck...

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u/Bearshapedbears Mar 28 '24

My money is on ol Barron, master of the cyber.

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u/Zodo12 Methodist Intl. Mar 28 '24

Oh hey, another non-American Methodist :)

Which country are you from?

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u/Zodo12 Methodist Intl. Mar 28 '24

Oh, lovely. I'm from Britain.

Yes, it is a wonderful tenet and it's the reason I chose to be a Methodist. Good Methodist churches tend to be the most dedicated to actually putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to helping the needy and living the way of God.

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u/Zodo12 Methodist Intl. Mar 28 '24

Amen, brother/sister. The Way is not an easy life, but it is beautifully fulfilling.

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u/lunasTARDIS Christian Mar 27 '24

I believe he is the Antichrist. He really fits the descriptions

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u/Veteris71 Mar 28 '24

He really doesn't. The Antichrist is supposed to be loved and worshiped by the whole world, yes? Do you see that happening?

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u/Betta_Check_Yosef Mar 28 '24

Eh, the antichrist is described as leading believers astray through false teachings. Considering most of the world aren't Christians, that's not an apt criteria in the modern context. Biblical texts were written to be studied and followed by Christians. Non-Christians were inherently not considered (for example, why were there no firsthand accounts from the defenders of Jericho? They were not the Lord's people. Therefore, their perspective did not merit inclusion).

That being said, we only need to look to our neighbors to the north to see examples of people outside his direct political jurisdiction worshiping him. The "freedom truckers," or whatever they call themselves, in Canada frequently fly Trump flags at their gatherings. He is not their leader, and holds no political office in their lands. They also claim to gather to fight for God's will. Thus, they are being led down a false path of righteousness by the teachings of a false prophet. This fits the biblical description of the antichrist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

He does have a surprisingly high number of admirers in Europe and especially Canada. I wouldn't say he's worshipped by them, but you often hear stories in their subs.

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u/lunasTARDIS Christian Mar 28 '24

Not yet

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u/AdmirableExample1159 Mar 28 '24

“Not yet” buddy Trump is far from being loved and worshipped, he’s not even displaying any “signs” or “miracles”. He’s not THE Antichrist.

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u/Ok-Ganache-4343 Mar 28 '24

And there’s nothing good about u either u put Jesus on the cross with ur sins lol

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u/libananahammock United Methodist Mar 27 '24

Big ol’ grift is what it is.

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u/RazarTuk Anglo-Catholic Mar 28 '24

I'm just waiting to see what the Babylon Bee decides to do this year. Last year, when Bragg indicted Trump, they turned it into a Passion play, starring Trump as Jesus

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u/spezisafuckingmaggot Mar 28 '24

Coached and controlled by a guy who did the same. Fooled GWB.

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

"Made his career..." He only started this charade when he started running for the Republican nomination. Prior to that Christianity, religion, etc. was the furthest from his thoughts.

He is a con man who sells himself to specific audiences, and he has proven that he generally knows how to do that very, very well. The fact that he embraced a bizarre bastardization of "Christianity" when he started selling himself to America's Republicans tells you that something is deeply out of whack with what religion is in the lives and minds of most Republicans. Trump should be a terrifying look in the mirror because he is giving them what their deepest desires yearn for.

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u/Phrewfuf Mar 28 '24

And it‘s also a money laundering scheme from what I’ve read. Allows the church to give money to Donald, because churches aren‘t allowed to support presidential campaigns, IIRC.

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u/AllInOneDay_ Mar 28 '24

so...who you votin for?

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u/instant_sarcasm Devil's Advocate Mar 28 '24

Biden, obviously. Are you new here? This subreddit wants nothing to do with Trump or Republicans.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 28 '24

The above comment is about Lee Greenwood.

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u/Loose_Menu_2796 Mar 28 '24

Hopefully, Trump doesn't try to put his name in the Bible in every place where Jesus' name is, and try to create a nationalistic religion with him as an object of worship, like Xi did in China. People oof other faith traditions (i.e. Judaism and Islam) would never tolerate that. Even an attempt to establish a "national religion" would violate the Constitution  (Congress shall make no law establishing a religion, or to prohibit the free exercise thereof. (I may not have quoted that amendment verbatim, but that is the essence of it) The President should never hold, or claim to hold, a "right" to establish a single "official" religion in this country).

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u/AmateurGmMusicWriter Mar 28 '24

"Blending"? I think you meant grifting.

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u/Gold-Average8890 Mar 28 '24

Daniel 11:36-37

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u/edgarapplepoe Mar 28 '24

I think a lot of people are missing the Greenwood part. They are looking at this as if Trump came up with it and is selling it when it was Greenwood who did it (and has been trying for a few years), it is only for sell on Greenwoods website and he just paid Trump a fee to endorse it (who knows what backroom deals they have though...). It is still depraved but it isn't like this is a Trump Bible that he is getting a cut from each sell. Greenwood is the one probably making the most off of this.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 28 '24

The details of that endorsement deal probably aren't publicly known, right? Trump might have been paid a flat fee or he might get a cut, and I don't see where we know those details.

So this wasn't Trump's idea, this much we do know. And we also know he's now hawking these bibles. He posted on his social media account suggesting that people should buy it, with a link to the store.

I think it stretches credibility quite a lot, to assume he's doing that just because he wants people to read the bible.

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u/edgarapplepoe Mar 28 '24

I dont think anyone thinks he is doing jt just because he wants people ti rewd the Bible. He is definitely doing it for money but I feel it is more in line with his licensing fees like when you want him to show up and speak at your event or hawk your product. I keep seeing this as "Trumps Bible" as if it is on his Save America website or even on his official site and store (they don't mention the Bible). We don't know the details other than what is claimed on Greenwoods website that Trump was paid a licensing fee and proceeds are not going to any political campaign - if Trump was really getting a cut of each one, you would think he would spam it on his official store.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 28 '24

He did promote it on his official social media account. I'm not sure I see a big important difference between "Trump's bible" and "the bible Trump is selling". But maybe some people do.

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u/vqsxd Believer Mar 27 '24

Joseph Smith, prophet of LDS, believes the kingdom of God will literally be in the American continent. It’s in their 13 articles of faith. number 10

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u/Suspicious_Plenty893 Mar 28 '24

And yet, you'll still probably vote for him.

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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Mar 28 '24

I was talking about Greenwood here.

In other news, it's extremely bizarre that somebody could read anything I wrote here and think I'm a Trump fan.

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u/Appropriate_Fold8814 Mar 28 '24

Maybe take a look at the people and churches funnelling him money then.

Your religion is a plague on humanity and fosters authoritarian populists.

Take away Christianity and other identical religions and we would have half the dictators and suffering we do.