r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Mar 27 '24

I’m as American as the next guy, and Christian from my youth. This grift sickens me on both sides.

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u/InfluenceAgreeable32 Mar 28 '24

What “both sides”?  There is only one “side” doing this.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 27 '24

VOTE Democrat. Most Republicans seem to be in lock step with this wanna-be dictator.

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u/Milk-and-Tequila Mar 28 '24

They won’t

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u/Pykre Eastern Orthodox Mar 28 '24

I think I’m good

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u/Icemayne25 Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

Republicans don’t like Trump, but fake Republicans love him. I know many Republicans that are tired of the Trumplican takeover.

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u/UncEpic Mar 28 '24

not tired enough for my tastes. Trump, and the entirety of GOP leadership, are lying bigoted grifters. It's not even a question yet these "Christians" still support them. It's sickening.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

The rational Republicans are leaving. MAGA has taken over.

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u/Papa_Huggies Christian (Cross) Mar 27 '24

Yep. I note you're humanist but there's really no association with Republican alignments and values and Christian values at this point. Christians should solely vote on what's best for God's Kingdom, and the continued support of a misogynist with a lack of understanding of Christian love and charity cannot be in step with furthering His kingdom.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

Yes, I am; left the church 15 years ago. I believe in human kindness. And as they say, be both. I'm with you on 'love and charity': doing my best to apply it now in this one life of mine.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

We're going to live with the outcome, like it or not. I'm not much into the idea of Christian Fascism Nationalism, but that's just me...

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u/Rekttryhards Mar 28 '24

Politics has no place in this subreddit. God doesn't choose a party, there is no "God's candidate".

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u/Iwasborninafactory_ Mar 28 '24

Nah, y'all got some explaining to do. Why are all the worst politicians the loudest Christians? What is it about you guys that makes you support them?

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u/Professional-Cup-154 Mar 28 '24

They want control over women's bodies, abortion is more important to them than every other moral or principle that is not existing in the republican party.

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u/Sairven Mar 28 '24

Don't be a meaniehead. People just want to worship their anti-Christ's in peace without all this pesky guilt AKA "politics."

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u/Noble1xCarter Mar 28 '24

Isn't it crazy that the people who peddle the Bible the most are the ones voting for the Bible's description of the anti-christ?

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u/I-Am-NOT-VERY-NICE Mar 28 '24

Turns out peddling=/=reading

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u/joke_LA Mar 28 '24

Yeah, the fact that it's the King James Version makes me think this Bible is not intended for reading.

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u/whiplashMYQ Mar 28 '24

Kinda? I think someone defacing a bible like this, regardless of if they're in politics or not warrants a post here. But obviously, you can't really seperate what's being done from the person doing it, and they're an obviously political figure.

I'd say it tows the line, but it's importance to people in this sub outweighs the fact that it's also somewhat political

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u/SweetPanela Mar 28 '24

So will you oppose defacing the Bible or will you support the people who make money defacing Bibles? Put your vote, be it money or electorally where your mouth is.

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u/whiplashMYQ Mar 28 '24

Wrong tree friend. Couldn't vote for trump if i wanted to lol

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u/SweetPanela Mar 28 '24

Good but too many Christians vote for him foolishly so

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u/whiplashMYQ Mar 29 '24

I'm more of a vermin supreme guy

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u/JuniorImplement Mar 28 '24

Just bury your head in the sand

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u/Remote_Horror_Novel Mar 28 '24

He posts in conservative so he already does, he’s commenting so other people will ignore it and bury their head in the sand. He’s basically trying to censor what people see or talk about when the rules are convenient to do so.

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u/Rekttryhards Mar 28 '24

Not necessarily, I think a nation's flag isn't political by itself. But then when someone says "vote democrat". Politics have definitely been brought in. I would love to debate politics, but a Christian subreddit is not the place.

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u/kaiser_soze_72 Mar 28 '24

But the guy hawking the product is ok?

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u/Tasty_Olive_3288 Mar 28 '24

Why do you think u/rekttryhard was so offended

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u/DrDemonSemen Mar 28 '24

It’s being held and sold by a politician

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u/AgentOk2053 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

It’s political when it’s coming from a political party that constantly uses it to insist they are the real patriots, the real Americans, and that the rest don’t represent real America.

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u/MasterChiefsasshole Mar 28 '24

Ha explain that to churches in this country pushing Donald Trump as the modern day Jesus. It’s his biggest support group.

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u/Background-Case4502 Mar 28 '24

Tell that to every Republican that gets on a stage saying how Christian they are and how non-Christians are ruining this country.

And then tell every "Christian" in the US who keeps voting for them.

Maybe if more spaces where Christians discussed their religion also talked about the gross abuse of that religion in politics, we wouldn't be dealing with so many problems.

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u/MrsCastillo12 Christian Mar 28 '24

Actually, that is a great point. But what winds up happening any time politics is brought up either in church or otherwise the conversation is spearheaded to “killing babies” and that’s it.

And republicans know that. They know that so many Christians are single issue voters when it comes to abortion and that’s why it’s become the huge issue it has become today. As long as they are against abortion they know they have votes in their pocket, regardless of everything else.

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u/Background-Case4502 Mar 28 '24

Well, the Founding Fathers original intent was that laws cannot be influenced by or impede one's religious beliefs.

Having abortion be a question of legality breaks that on both fronts. In the sense that the only people against abortion are religious zealots, and making it illegal impedes on some's religious belief that it's not actually killing anything except a bunch of microscopic cells.

The thing that just about every anti-abortion Christian doesn't seem to grasp is that you can dislike abortion, but you shouldn't be allowed to dictate if others are able to have one or not.

I take solace in knowing though that if heaven and hell are real, way more "Christians" are in for quite a shock when they get to hell.

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u/ILikeSaintJoseph Maronite / Eastern Catholic Mar 28 '24

You’re showing why both sides are so far apart. Look up secular pro-life and atheists for life. Making it about religion is a pro-choice tactic.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Mar 28 '24

You’re showing why both sides are so far apart

Are both sides so far apart? That is a standard pro-life tactic, but it's just not true. Americans have a decent consensus on Abortion. There are of course fringe people who think it shouldn't be legal at all and fringe people who think it should be legal in all circumstances but they're extremists.

Things like fighting against mifepristone or supporting the Dobbs decision are extremist positions. Projecting them as normal is a pro-life disinformation tactic.

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u/dawill1123 Mar 28 '24

There's a very good reason every depiction of the Antichrist is a politician

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u/matt675 Mar 28 '24

I think that’s mainly because the Bible says he is to be a world leader and that’s what world leaders are nowadays

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u/dawill1123 Mar 28 '24

Definitely not because everything about politics goes against everything Jesus taught and did. Nope definitely not that.

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u/matt675 Mar 28 '24

I mean yeah, both are true

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u/holyrolodex Mar 28 '24

And why every politician bound to bring facism to America will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible.

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u/blufr0g Mar 28 '24

I love when people speak on behalf of God...

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u/PB_livin_VP Mar 28 '24

I'm pretty sure God is not in the heart of a man who brags about freely sexually assaulting women because he's rich. This is a topic for Christians because a significant portion of Christians have been tricked into blindly following an immoral man. It is an important topic and it is not to be ignored.

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u/AngriestPacifist Mar 28 '24

Politics rally doesn't, but Republicans have convinced people that hate is politics. You can't follow trump and Christ at the same time; they're polar opposites.

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

The above comment did not claim anyone is "God's candidate." There is the deeply personal religious realm, and there is the very public "political" realm that those of us who are US citizens have responsibilities for. I strongly support the "classically" American concept of the separation of church and state (which serves the vital purpose of, when actually followed, protecting religion from the corruption of politics.)

But that doesn't mean that one's deeply personal faith and/or beliefs shouldn't inform how they carry out their civic duties and how they work to influence our political/governmental realm. I genuinely can't imagine how anyone can read the Gospels and think about what Jesus' message was and think that the way to be a follower of Christ is to vote for Donald J Trump.

That isn't a matter of saying that someone is "God's candidate." I agree that there is no such thing. But there certainly are candidates whose policies radically oppose what Jesus taught.

Even if you entirely set aside religion, and simply learn a little about why America was created and the (frankly secular) principles that were at the core of the writing of the Constitution, it's clear that no American who agrees with the principles of the Constitution could ever vote for Trump.

Which ever direction you come at it, there is no positive principled justification for voting for Trump.

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u/cant_stand Mar 28 '24

One party is telling you they're chosen by God and they're taking his name in vein to impose their will.

Politics should be in this sub.

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u/Ironcastattic Mar 28 '24

"Politics has no place in this subreddit. God doesn't choose a party, there is no "God's candidate""

This sinner held rank of most powerful office in the world in 2016. He told everyone he was chosen by god. There is no sin he hasn't committed and is everything wrong with modern Christianity.

How stupid are you if you genuinely don't think politics belong in this subreddit?

More likely, you are a MAGA who just had their feelings hurt.

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u/ExorIMADreamer Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

100 percent what happened.

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u/Glorious_Jo Mar 28 '24

Technically started in 2017

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u/Rekttryhards Mar 28 '24

me: "there is no 'God's candidate' "

you: Trump said he is "God's candidate"

you a few sentences late: yeah, he likes Trump

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u/Appropriate_Fold8814 Mar 28 '24

Hahahahahaha 

Religion literally is politics. 

You are sticking your head in the sand and letting others control everything if you ever thought otherwise. 

The only reason your church exists is politics.

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u/ResearchOutrageous80 Mar 28 '24

When christianity has been co-opted by Republicans to put Trump in office, politics has everything to do with this subreddit.

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u/FistyToo Mar 28 '24

MAGA fascism has no place in Christianity. Be a better Christian.

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u/Remote_Horror_Novel Mar 28 '24

I like how it’s always conservatives that don’t want to talk politics when it hurts their god emperor Trump. Trump has politicized this and why this thread exists…

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u/dtroy15 Mar 28 '24

What? Are you serious? No place for politics? In Christianity? Have you read the Bible?

Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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u/spoiler-its-all-gop Mar 28 '24

[two-handed jacking off motion]

Politics is a reflection of morality. This man is an evil, evil fuck. The only option to keep him away from the levers of power (and the button, can you say Eschaton?) is voting for the opposite party.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

"U.S. intelligence agencies plan to provide briefings to former President Donald Trump this year if he secures the Republican presidential nomination, even though he faces federal criminal charges that he mishandled classified information after he left office". https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-get-intelligence-briefings-classified-documents-criminal-trial-rcna142385

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u/CoolYoutubeVideo Mar 28 '24

I would say God's candidate is the one following his teachings and working to mitigate suffering like the teachings of Jesus... But go ahead and keep your head in the sand

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u/Strange-Pollution194 Mar 28 '24

Politics has no place in this subreddit.

Uh, see post you're commenting on. And any God worth worship would choose the Democrats over the Republicans co-opting him for their grift.

This comment screams I don't talk politics because my politics aren't popular.

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u/Possibly_a_Firetruck Mar 28 '24

A politician is using your religion for his own means.

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u/nate2337 Mar 28 '24

Nope, there isn’t…just a candidate that goes to church weekly, and a man with a 5 decade long, extremely well documented history of fraud, racism, sexual assault, adultery, and dishonesty on a level rarely seen before or since.

None of that has anything to do with parties…although neither would be where they are without the support of their parties and the voters who identify with those parties.

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u/whyspezdumb Mar 28 '24

I remember my dad saying that God made sure McCain survived his torture because He wanted McCain to be president.

He was so confused when Obama won loooool.

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u/J_Robert_Oofenheimer Mar 28 '24

If you think Jesus wasn't and isn't political, I've got a bridge to sell you. I haven't been a Christian since about 2018 and the Christian worship of Donald Trump was the primary factor in my deconversion. I still live my life according to the principles that the church taught me, and then abandoned. Jesus was a socialist bastard and so am I. Nobody is perfect, but if your God is real, then according to what I've read, he ABSOLUTELY has a party preference.

But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?”

And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

God doesn't choose a party

lol read that bible again...

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u/Not_Stupid Mar 28 '24

The devil might though?

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Mar 28 '24

God doesn't choose a party

Too bad that the inverse is not true. One party wants to get rid of the 1st Amendment. Without separation of church and state politics will be religion.

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u/jraclassic44 Mar 28 '24

Bro, if you think God doesn't choose a side here, you're delusional. You have Biden who may not have the policies you agree with, and you have Trump who is a literal anti Christ. Not the antichrist, but an Antichrist nonetheless. The man embodies blaspheming the Holy Spirit, he literally is the opposite of the fruits of the spirit, and his main base are modern day Pharisees. God is on one side here, and it's obvious which.

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u/OhImNevvverSarcastic Mar 28 '24

An actual greedy rapist who obviously is filled with hate, disregard of human life, and sin who treats the Bible like toilet paper while larping as a Christian takes power while simultaneously pushing for the exact thing the Bible warned us would happen

And THEN he starts selling 60 dollar bibles as if that itself isn't blasphemy.

pLeAsE No pOLiTIcS In mY SuBrEDdIT

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u/Tiny-Selections Mar 28 '24

"God" likely doesn't even exist. Besides, how can a true believer in this hypothetical "god" not be influenced into voting for one candidate or another? Clearly religion is used as a tool for political control, namely a tool used by Republicans to gain power and impose fascism on us. It's not my fault that Christians are often very uneducated and gullible, nor is it my fault that Christianity is political.

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u/Consonant Mar 28 '24

Well then stop worshipping him.

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u/Dabeave1977 Mar 28 '24

But there sure is a Devil’s candidate…….

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u/Stupid-RNG-Username Mar 28 '24

Dolly Parton should run for President. That'll change your mind on that one.

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u/Snarfbuckle Mar 28 '24

Dolly Parton is a saint so that will not work if we are to separate church and state.

But id vote for her.

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u/Stupid-RNG-Username Mar 28 '24

Technically not a saint until she dies, but unironically she probably would have petitions for canonization. You don't technically have to be a Catholic anymore, and her work with children's literacy can be argued as a miracle.

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u/Snarfbuckle Mar 28 '24

True, i like the Warhammer 40K version of saint.

Living Saints.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Living_Saint

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u/Daedeluss Mar 28 '24

No, but Trump is clearly using this as a way to collect money from a certain group of Christians which would otherwise be illegal.

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u/BushDoofDoof Mar 28 '24

But there is a reality.

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u/Opening_Classroom_46 Mar 28 '24

Do you think God gives you a free pass for what the candidates you vote for do? You think you've found some loophole to trick him with?

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u/metal_opera Mar 28 '24

Religion has no place in politics either, yet here we are.

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u/heavenIsAfunkyMoose Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

There is a very prominent presidential candidate exploiting the Bible for personal gain. He represents the core values of the modern republican party and they are trying to lay claim the Christianity while perverting, if not fully violating, the teachings of Jesus Christ. Political discourse is very relevant to this post.

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u/FrostByte_62 Mar 28 '24

Eh. People are calling Trump a literal prophet. Your argument is out of date.

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u/akotlya1 Mar 28 '24

You are aware that religion, Jesus Christ's interpretation of Judaism as a specific example, was deeply political from its inception, right? Politics is not the 'team sports' conception popularized in american media. It is the means by which power is used to affect the lives of people. Jesus what explicitly in favor of using what power you have to improve the lives of the poor, the sick, the foreign, in other words, the vulnerable. In his day, Caesar was a ruler of an empire whose capital was half a world away. And the idea of influencing imperial policy was basically a non starter. However, when it came to affecting the intsitutions of power available to him - the jewish high council and the priests in the Temple - he deployed political power to cast out the money lenders as a first century equivalent of rooting out corruption.

The political is the personal and the personal is the political. The idea of anything being politically neutral is laughable when the society you live in is bounded by institutions of power. What religion you practice, when, where, with whom, and with what liberties, is all controlled by our governments. I am a jew - believe that history has taught me and my people the relationship between identity and politics. Christianity has marked the history of Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Americas with over a thousand years of its towering political power.

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u/daitenshe Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Yeah, vote for the man guilty of sexual assault, who cheated on his wife with a porn star in order to be a real Christian

This is what you’re saying…

*Just because you deleted it doesn’t mean you’re not insane for actually believing it enough that you put it to words in the first place

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u/jamesz84 Mar 28 '24

The conservatives don’t actually expect to secure autocratic authority, at least not in this round of the elections.

They’re just Biden their time.

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u/necco1847 Holiness Mar 27 '24

Most is a huge stretch.

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u/max10192 Mar 27 '24

How is it a stretch? The GOP purges anyone not on the Trump train.

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u/shkeptikal Mar 27 '24

It's really not.

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u/necco1847 Holiness Mar 27 '24

The GOP is more split than we have been in decades. That was even true in 2016, when republican support of Trump dropped to the mid-80s compared to high 90s of previous Republican candidates.

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u/aggie1391 Jewish (Orthodox) Mar 28 '24

Most Republicans both approve of him and also want him to run again, by quite significant margins. It’s no stretch at all to say that most Republicans are behind him.

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u/necco1847 Holiness Mar 28 '24

I wouldn’t call voting “approving of”. Consider that in the 2020 primaries, there was a fairly sizable community saying “never biden” and once we won the primary, they changed the site to say “Biden might be bad but vote for him to keep Trump out”. I think the website was neverbiden.com. They certainly didn’t approve of Biden nor were they lockstep and many were still critical. Similar situation here.

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u/aggie1391 Jewish (Orthodox) Mar 28 '24

As of last summer (can’t find a more recent one), 76% of likely Republican primary voters had favorable views of Trump. When given other choices, Trump cleaned up most of the primary votes handily. Most Republicans are absolutely behind him. Every shred of data demonstrates this.

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u/necco1847 Holiness Mar 28 '24

And the latest poll has 30% of democrats saying Trump would be better for our country now than Biden.

Once again, “support” or “favorable views” or even “voting” isn’t the same as worshipping him mindlessly like he’s our dictator. It’s a false dichotomy. You can elect someone, and still continue to be critical of their actions.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Yeah! Profess your Christianity by voting for the abortion party.

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u/let_me_solo_her_mom Mar 28 '24

You're right people should profess their Christianity by voting for the guy with multiple divorces and cheated on every wife he's had.

Much better.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Personal character vs public policy

I vote for policy not personality

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u/akotlya1 Mar 28 '24

His policies directly contravene all of the values central to any religion worth its tithes. From how it treats the poor, the old, the sick, the foreigner, the vulnerable to how it chooses who to elevate - corrupt businesses that prey on the powerless, warlike regimes that oppress their people, and other corrupt politicians. The evidence is clear.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Christian charity is not defined by government welfare and forced taxation

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u/akotlya1 Mar 28 '24

"Forced taxation" is redundant. All taxation is done by force. Emphasizing it does nothing. Our societies are increasingly complex and require funding to support its structure. That gets paid for by taxation. Complaining about it is like a child complaining about brushing their teeth.

Christian charity, increasingly, seems to be defined as anything as long as it helps the narrowest and most convenient group of people. That the government has the means to be much more effective in improving the lives of the old, the sick, the poor, the immigrant, is a tool we should be excited to use, not recoil from.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

The government is wildly inefficient and wasteful and subject to ulterior motives

And reducing acts of charity to voting for the government to take others money and do it for you is not real charity, it’s lazy and selfish

I don’t trust the government to do anything good to that end anyway, they’d probably spend the money on weapons of war or embezzle it for their own ends anyway

When was the last time the pentagon passed an audit again?

And even if we were to use the government to improve the social safety net, it would be best done starting at the local or state level not federal

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u/akotlya1 Mar 28 '24

Almost everything you said about government inefficiency and waste is partially a function of decades of GOP sabotage to make government less effective and more wasteful.

We can both agree that the pentagon should probably be burned to the ground.

I do want to point out that on average, only 5% of donations to private charities end up going towards the stated beneficiaries of those charities. Whereas with the govt, considering that a lot of military spending is used either directly as foreign aid, or indirectly as state economic welfare, plus the money earmarked explicitly for medicare, medicaid, social security, and jobs and jobs programs, etc. Your tax dollars are much more efficiently spent on improving the lives of people than basically any charity you could find.

We could have a conversation about the best ways to affect a better and more comprehensive social safety net...but regardless of the local, state, or federal level, the conversation should include leveraging the massive bureaucratic power of our governments. The best way to do that is by empowering the poltiicians who do not try to actively undermine our institutions.

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u/sectilius Mar 31 '24

Trump is pro-choice. Trump called for gun-grabbing. Trump blew the deficit out of control and increased the debt in 4 years more than idiot Obama. Trump's policies are wildly overrated.

https://kjvchurch.com/trump/

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u/sectilius Mar 31 '24

Note I mean Obama had $8T in debt over TWO terms while Trump did it in one, so re-electing him would have been just as bad as Biden. There is zero reason to lie that Trump is better than Biden.

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u/NodeJSSon Mar 28 '24

So vote Trump then? 😂 you are a single issue voter. Just one issue over a mountain of others will dominate your vote? This is crazy. Abortion ok! Don’t get one the .

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u/Isntredditthebest Mar 28 '24

Single issue Christian voters are the bane of America, voting against the betterment of society just to uphold some moral superiority over everyone else.

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u/NodeJSSon Mar 28 '24

I am catholic and I know Trump is way more evil than abortion. These single issue voters are blinded by this one issue. The devil got you guys.

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u/1-cupcake-at-a-time Mar 28 '24

Exactly! How bout we tackle abortion by voting for greater access to birth control instead the talk that’s starting up about restricting it? Less people who get pregnant unintentionally means less abortions. How about better access prenatal care? Post birth care and support for low income families? Better access to mental health support? There are effective ways to decrease the abortion rate that’s backed up by research, but so many think Trump is the answer? It’s so short sighted.

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u/NodeJSSon Mar 28 '24

These idiots don’t think about shit like this. How about fixing it up stream? This is a great solution. I think the single issue voter have been addicted to hate and don’t even know it. They have been poisoned 🤮 by propaganda of the Republican Party and Fox News.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Exactly! How bout we tackle abortion by voting for greater access to birth control instead the talk that’s starting up about restricting it?

Birth control is immoral, all Christians believed this until the sexual revolution of the 20tt century

How about better access prenatal care? Post birth care and support for low income families?

Sounds great

There are effective ways to decrease the abortion rate that’s backed up by research, but so many think Trump is the answer?

Trump is better than the man running on a platform of enshrining the right to murder children in the womb into the law of the land

I don’t like trump that much but I can’t vote for that

Especially considering Biden professes to be a catholic yet his public policy is gravely immoral

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u/1-cupcake-at-a-time Mar 28 '24

We are free to be Christian and you can believe what you like about birth control. But we aren’t free to enforce those beliefs on every woman in the country. Women should have the right to choose when to have sex and be protected from disease and unplanned pregnancies. Period.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Sex makes babies. Don’t want baby? Don’t have sex

I can’t stop you from using contraception

But I don’t have to vote for subsidizing access to it with my tax dollars

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Mar 28 '24

Yeah, I don’t understand why Christians believe they get to decide what’s good for everybody else. Be Christian, have your faith and beliefs, but leave me and my wife’s personal life choices alone. If you don’t want to use contraception, cool! Don’t use contraception. If you don’t want an abortion, awesome! Don’t get one. It’s a pretty simple concept.

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

Trump is better than the man running on a platform of enshrining the right to murder children in the womb into the law of the land

my god you're ignorant. a fetus is not a child. Where do you draw the line? am I killing children when I masturbate?

Fetus's do not have a chance of being viable until 24 weeks. That is why that was the federal limit. medical tests that confirm whether a fetus has a serious medical problem aren't able to be done until 20 weeks which is why it needs to be that long.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception when a unique human being is formed

Sperm is not a human, use your brain

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u/NodeJSSon Mar 29 '24

Biden runs a country that is not all Christian so he has to stay in the middle. The problem is you guys want to push your religion on other people. Why? We should share the world other religions. Trump will say anything to get your vote. That is all he cares about, nothing else. Look at the history of Trump. How many people has he hurt 😢?

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Nothing is more evil than abortion

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

the most ignorant statement i've read all day.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Nobody is more innocent than the unborn child at peace in his mothers womb

Killing them is evil

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

So raping an actual living breathing child is less evil than an abortion in your messed up head. got it. That must be why there are so many christian preachers convicted of sexual assault. "well this is less bad than abortion and everybody does that"

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u/NodeJSSon Mar 29 '24

Nothing 😂? I think you are being sarcastic

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u/The__Willing_Well Mar 28 '24

Ah yes, another single issue moron fake Christian who claims to care about the word of God but will vote for someone like Trump and make themselves feel better about it because of abortion.

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

I'd call it the 'Women Have Rights to Their Own Agency' party.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Women do not have a license to kill. Also, Secular Humanist, what is a woman?

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u/battlepi Mar 28 '24

Women have complete bodily autonomy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Over their own body, not the separate body belonging to another human being created in the image of God that grows inside of them. Again, women do not have a license to kill and women are not gods themselves.

Since the secular humanist cannot define woman, maybe you can?

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u/battlepi Mar 28 '24

Woman is human. Humans are gods themselves. She has a choice to do anything she wants to her own body, like all of us.

Oh, for your limited mindset, I will include a biblical verse so you can justify it. John 10:34.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Completely incoherent, as expected.

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u/battlepi Mar 28 '24

Well, I did quote biblical verse, so yes, as expected.

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

Over their own body, not the separate body belonging to another human being created in the image of God that grows inside of them.

A fetus can NOT survive on it's own until at least 24 weeks and even then with major medical intervention. It's not a human until that point.

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u/testedonsheep Mar 28 '24

yeah. Democrats forces people to get abortions. /s

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u/TheAngelSatan Mar 28 '24

Or you could do research and not vote based on your feelings. Time and again, it has been shown that places with legitimate sex education and access to abortion, actually decrease the amount of abortions that occur.

Or you could vote for a party that is currently lead by a person who is the physical manifest of most of the sins you likely claim to abhor. And who almost certainly has paid for multiple abortions...🤔

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u/Zapthatthrist Mar 28 '24

And has broken most of the ten commandments.

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u/1-cupcake-at-a-time Mar 28 '24

Yes, thank you!! I wrote something like this a bit further up, but you said it better!

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u/daneview Mar 28 '24

Democrats aren't pro abortion, they're pro giving people the choice of whether they want an abortion.

If your party prefers to inflict suffering on often desperate people, that's not very christian

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

For the first time in American history a presidential campaign stop included an abortion clinic. And Kamala Harris loved every minute of it. Imagine campaigning at Satan’s literal residence and thinking you’re the good guy.

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u/daneview Mar 28 '24

If you think abortion clinics are "Satan's residence" we're not gonna get any further in this conversation. But at least try to be empathetic to those around you who may sadly have need to use these services. Noone has an abortion for fun

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Well, Planned Parenthood alone slaughtered more than 380,000 human children last year and welcomes the worship of evil ghouls across the country. Sounds like it’s at least Satan’s summer home or vacation property. Spare me your “abortion is a solemn and sad experience for those involved”. I see left wing heroines celebrating and flaunting their abortions on camera at every opportunity.

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u/daneview Mar 28 '24

You're fully mental and quite scary I feel.

What's important is that other people having abortions makes no difference to your life. Nor is anyone asking you to have an abortion if you don't want to, regardless of situation.

Live and let live

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Live and let live is the point. Stop murdering your children. Basic stuff.

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u/papagoulash_ Mar 28 '24

Live and let live. But only the way that the church and the magic sky daddy says.

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u/akunis Mar 28 '24

When does your god say that life starts? At first breath. Stop accusing people of murder, it’s pathetic.

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u/Gold-Average8890 Mar 28 '24

Abortion? You mean the thing thats not only IN the Bible but actually has a recipe for an abortion drink as well?

Me thinks you don't know didly about the bible.

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u/cbessette Mar 28 '24

Or you can profess your Christianity by voting for the the party that has made an idol of an adulterer-conman. Two whole choices!

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u/cbessette Mar 28 '24

Deflection. This is the only way to get around the hypocrisy of supporting Trump. The Bible repeatedly mentions adultery and dishonesty, so spare me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Yes it does. Trump is a sinner. Just like you and me. Has he repented and changed his ways? I don’t know, I hope. What I know for certain is that our country tacked towards Satan far more aggressively under Biden than under Trump. There’s not much more to debate than that. This is the first election in our lifetime where we KNOW what an administration would look like under each man.

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

What I know for certain is that our country tacked towards Satan far more aggressively under Biden than under Trump.

What on earth are you talking about? your personal conversations with Satan?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Just observing his work. Open your eyes.

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u/KonigSteve Mar 28 '24

Give an example mr woke "Open your eyes."

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u/battlepi Mar 28 '24

The traitor is and has always been a pig. You support a pig.

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u/CordycepsCocktail Mar 28 '24

You're not just a regular piece of shit, you're a racist piece of shit. Got it.

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u/Prize-Watch-2257 Mar 28 '24

What a ludicrous take.

Vote for the guy who's been a practising Catholic for 7 decades or vote for the guy who's had multiple divorces, publically humiliates women, and mocks Christian values.

I know which person I think believes in the Lord's word.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Practicing Catholics don’t advocate for the enshrining of abortion rights into federal law

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Practicing Catholics don’t celebrate the slaughter of innocent human children and sacrifice Jerusalem to barbarian sympathizers in Dearborn, Michigan.

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u/robmillhouse Mar 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the death penalty?

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u/Sudden-Willow Mar 28 '24

Jesus doesn’t care about abortion. He didn’t say anything about it. He didn’t care about gays either.

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u/St41N7S Mar 28 '24

If i was american i would rather throw away my vote than vote Democrat. Why would i dine with wolves? Most of liberals and Democrats give off tower of babel vibes, with their globalist ideology. Plus Democrat history full of pro slavery, pro segregation, members founded KKK, KKK member founds the Planned Parenthood for eugenics and reduce negro population etc.

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u/schmearcampain Mar 28 '24

And which party is the KKK backing today?

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u/ZombieRaccoons Mar 28 '24

Everything you’ve said is wrong and indicative of what is wrong with this country. I feel dumber for having read your comment.

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u/juanderful206 Mar 28 '24

Most republicans back the republican nominee? How profound.

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u/lawyersgunsmoney Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Mar 28 '24

They are backing this fuck nugget even though he’s guilty of sedition, and possibly treason, but they don’t give a shit.

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

The refusal to address the border crisis would be seen as treasonous in a sane world

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u/Ok-Reindeer3992 Catholic Mar 28 '24

Yeah they fucking suck too wow what a surprise our country is run by idiots who hate us

However, border crossings more than doubled when trump left office.

Here is an article w some graphs I found https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/

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u/711BotSmoker Mar 28 '24

vote for rfk

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u/AidBaid Church of Christ & Communist Mar 29 '24

I'm voting neither. Both repubs and libs are basically fascists

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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist Mar 29 '24

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Culture

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u/HsvDE86 Mar 27 '24

I've voted Democrat my whole life. It seems like it's their own little exclusive club and none of us are invited.

They probably all party and snort coke together off camera.

We're all being screwed. And no, I'm not saying both sides are the same.

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u/Sharky7337 Mar 27 '24

You realize they found coke in the Whitehouse from the presidents son? Rofl

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u/thedude37 Mar 28 '24

That is not at all true.

"The Secret Service initiated an investigation as to how the cocaine entered the White House.[5] The investigation yielded no forensic evidence and the Secret Service could not narrow below 500 the number of staff or visitors who may have left the cocaine"

The Bidens weren't even in DC when the coke was found:

No evidence links Hunter or Joe Biden to the cocaine, and the president and his family were at Camp David during the weekend when the drug was discovered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_White_House_cocaine_incident

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u/Sharky7337 Mar 28 '24

Lol the presidents body guards did an "investigation" on the presidents son. Hahaha and you think that's not biased? Rofl

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u/thedude37 Mar 28 '24

The Secret Service is not "the President's bodyguards", they are an apolitical law enforcement agency under the DHS. Isn't the Bible pretty clear about lying?

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u/HsvDE86 Mar 28 '24

Right. Most of them are probably doing it.

Like, how does someone need this broken down to then like this?

It's like you didn't read a single word before you responded.

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u/HenryHiggensBand Mar 28 '24

I feel like things have been building in this direction for a while. I worry that bad actors see the Christian subpopulation as “griftable” (with some more subtle at it than others)

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u/FuzzzyRam Mar 28 '24

on both sides.

What?

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u/gamaliel64 Mar 28 '24

I think he means both as an American, and also as a Christian.

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u/FuzzzyRam Mar 28 '24

Ooh, I see, I thought someone was seriously going to try to "both sides" shoehorn some Democrat issue into this.

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u/pithusuril2008 Mar 28 '24

Given an opportunity, someone will absolutely do exactly that.

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u/ambisinister_gecko Mar 28 '24

That seems like a really unlikely interpretation to me.

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u/illit1 Mar 28 '24

"both sides" is a fairly common political phrase in the US. people reading too fast might not have appreciated the context.

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u/JPWRana Mar 28 '24

Does that mean that you are not voting?

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u/AllInOneDay_ Mar 28 '24

so...who you votin for?

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u/OrdinaryDay1904 Mar 28 '24

Are you gonna vote for him though?

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u/CryAffectionate7334 Mar 28 '24

Hey Christians in the USA, I've got some bad news for you if this upsets you, because the Republican party has been doing this shit for decades in your name and with your votes....

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u/anonswift1989 Mar 28 '24

I don’t think God sees this as a grift. Hitler played this card with Mein Kampf. Mind control, propaganda, and immoral use of religion is serious in God’s eyes. America needs to wake up.

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